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4770k@ 4.6ghz 1.46v is this bad?

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June 27, 2013 9:28:03 PM

I can boot at 4.6 ghz at 1.3v but I can't get it stable unless I go past 1.45v. The temps are in the high 70s at most unless I'm stress testing when they go high 80s. I don't need a rock solid overclock I just need enough stability to livestream my games.
Is there something I can do to improve my situation?

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a b K Overclocking
June 27, 2013 9:32:03 PM

Meh, what kind of cooler do you have? I'd shoot for 80C max, not upper 80's. Either a better cooler or it's 4.5GHz for you.
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 27, 2013 9:48:21 PM

That is a pretty high voltage for that oc, and explains high temps too. I'd hit up a guide or 2 and revisit the process. .1 shouldn't take .1v to stabilize
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June 27, 2013 9:53:11 PM

I'm using h100i cooler. I don't hit the 80s when I'm livestreaming which is what this rig is for so I don't care if it hits upper 80s in synthetic benchmarks. I'm just wondering why it takes such a huge amount of voltage to get 4.6 stable.
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June 27, 2013 10:32:09 PM

As long as it doesn't go over 85c in real world applications I's fine. So if there's nothing I can do is it okay for me to leave it like this? I've never brought a chip to 1.46v before.
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 27, 2013 11:10:38 PM

Some would say yes some would say no. That's really dang high. 1.5v is considered the wall. I personally avoid above 1.4 if possible. More voltage = more heat = less lifespan. Up to you. Weigh risk to benefit and decide if it is worth it to you
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June 28, 2013 12:38:50 AM

I'm using the igpu atm because I haven't received my gpus yet. Could that be affecting the overclock?
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a b K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 12:46:00 AM

coinmaster said:
I'm using the igpu atm because I haven't received my gpus yet. Could that be affecting the overclock?


Heck yes! Bring it down to 4.5GHz and 1.4V or so and sit tight until you get your graphics card. Then you can overclock again. I think you will get better results then!
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a b K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 7:13:10 AM

coinmaster said:
I can boot at 4.6 ghz at 1.3v but I can't get it stable unless I go past 1.45v. The temps are in the high 70s at most unless I'm stress testing when they go high 80s. I don't need a rock solid overclock I just need enough stability to livestream my games.
Is there something I can do to improve my situation?


What is your cpu input voltage set at?
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June 28, 2013 8:31:27 AM

With the Haswell I wouldn't even go over 1,35v as recommended by Asus. Can't find the link anymore but I think it was on techreport that above that it was even problematic for high-end watercoolers.
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a b K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 8:35:09 AM

Spiritos said:
With the Haswell I wouldn't even go over 1,35v as recommended by Asus. Can't find the link anymore but I think it was on techreport that above that it was even problematic for high-end watercoolers.


For advanced overclockers this is a good starting point

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June 28, 2013 8:48:05 AM

Intel God said:
Spiritos said:
With the Haswell I wouldn't even go over 1,35v as recommended by Asus. Can't find the link anymore but I think it was on techreport that above that it was even problematic for high-end watercoolers.


Good guide to live by for haswell



Thanks! That's a nifty guide to keep at hand when I get my 4770k. I managed to find the link after all about the 1.35V:

http://techreport.com/review/24889/haswell-overclocked-...

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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 9:04:48 AM

This is not a "guide" - this maximum levels recommended. Big difference. A max recommend table can be used as a guide IF you have appropriate components and environmental factors to support it. In other words, useless for most users. Except those with deep pockets and lab settings. Please, do not list this as a guide. Too many will not comprehend the reality and run into OC frustrations, or worse, component damage and failure.

I know you love to ask about vccio voltage as you do in every cpu thread. But this is but a small piece of yhe overall puzzle. Basics of vcore, llc stateand power management states are far more implicit in stability issues. Even offsets are more useful for stability adjustment. Vccio, vdram, vdrop are final tweak settings to be looked at. The OP in this situation has far greater issues that need to be addressed first.

@OP - it is not uncommon to have increased need for voltage to compensate for high temps. This is a basic concept of electrical engineering. You state you are stable in the 70c area unless stressing. With the nature of haswell being a hot chip, I think we need to revisit your cooling. Even under 70% load, 70c is a bit warm, and could be causing you stability issues. Let's look at the basics before we get into voltages.

Describe (or pic would be even better ) your case, mounting of rad, fans used type and setup/number, process and kind of thermal grease applied please
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a b K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 9:04:52 AM

Spiritos said:
Intel God said:
Spiritos said:
With the Haswell I wouldn't even go over 1,35v as recommended by Asus. Can't find the link anymore but I think it was on techreport that above that it was even problematic for high-end watercoolers.


Good guide to live by for haswell



Thanks! That's a nifty guide to keep at hand when I get my 4770k. I managed to find the link after all about the 1.35V:

http://techreport.com/review/24889/haswell-overclocked-...



Buzz247 said:
This is not a "guide" - this maximum levels recommended. Big difference. A max recommend table can be used as a guide IF you have appropriate components and environmental factors to support it. In other words, useless for most users. Except those with deep pockets and lab settings. Please, do not list this as a guide. Too many will not comprehend the reality and run into OC frustrations, or worse, component damage and failure.

I know you love to ask about vccio voltage as you do in every cpu thread. But this is but a small piece of yhe overall puzzle. Basics of vcore, llc stateand power management states are far more implicit in stability issues. Even offsets are more useful for stability adjustment. Vccio, vdram, vdrop are final tweak settings to be looked at. The OP in this situation has far greater issues that need to be addressed first.

@OP - it is not uncommon to have increased need for voltage to compensate for high temps. This is a basicconcept of electrical engineering. You state you are stable in the 70c area unless stressing. With the nature of haswell being a hot chip, I think we need to revisit your cooling. Even under 70% load, 70c is a bit warm, and could be causing you stability issues. Let's look at the basics before we get into voltages.

Describe (or pic would be even better ) your case, mounting of rad, fans used type and setup/number, process and kind of thermal grease applied please


Agreed. I will pull the word "Guide" from the post.
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a c 81 K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 9:37:03 AM

What voltage, for you, coinmaster, does it take to run 4.5 GHz?
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June 28, 2013 10:11:37 AM

Oh boy, a lot to respond to. First oh all while I'm live streaming my games my usual temps are in the 40-65ish range even at 1.46 volts, 70ish was just the max I have seen and live streaming always puts me at near 100% load. Also I stopped using synthetic benchmarks to test for stability because live streaming is a good stability test on its own and its what I will be doing anyway.

@buzz247 My case is the cooler master HAF x I'm using the 2 fans on the top as intake for the h100i fans below it which are also intake for the rad, the rest is just gpu cooling for which I don't have yet. When I turn the fans up my idle temps easily go down to 20c and hover in the 60s at load.


@ihog 1.2v is the least I have used but 4.5ghz is fine at that voltage, 1.25 wouldn't boot for 4.6 but 1.3 was fine.


@intel god I don't know what input voltage is, I don't see it in the bios.

I have my voltage on adaptive atm so my cpu isn't getting shot with a constant 1.46v (1.47v now because I have single core turbo at 4.8ghz). Hopefully I can figure this out and get a higher overclock, I just feels like I'm doing something wrong.
Also cache ratio, cache voltage, and input voltage are no where to be found in my bios even though my motherboard is overclock specific, I don't know what that is about.
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 28, 2013 11:38:00 AM

It's there, just different names or acronyms. Like vrim, cpurim, vccio, dramv etc.
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June 28, 2013 12:24:36 PM

These are the voltages I found in the bios.
Under cpu voltage:
cpu vrin external override
cpu ring voltage
cpu system agent voltage
cpu i/o analog voltage
cpu i/o digital voltage
and in "3d power" settings
vrin loadline calibration
cpu vrin protection
What is what? lol
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June 29, 2013 8:02:30 AM

I managed to get a stable 4.6 at 1.43v by upping the cpu ring to 1.2v, uncore to 44, and the vrim to 2v. I found a gigabyte oc guide that was helpful.
I had it pretty stable at 1.38v last night and decided to do a full blown aidas64 stress test overnight on 1.42v vcore 43 uncore and 1.175 vring which failed at some point during the night, then I started getting 124 bsod errors when I restarted my computer.
Now I have the vring at 1.2 and the vcore at 1.43 for good measure. The temps are a little higher than id like considering 1.38v gave me 17c on idle and low 70s in full blown aidas stress testing but as long as the chip least me ay least a year it's fine.
Does anyone have any input on the 124 errors? It was strange that I was getting them since I didn't get them on much lower voltage the night before.
The pc was sitting on a bsod screen all night so maybe that has something to do with it?
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 29, 2013 11:53:09 AM

What is your load line calibration set at? And your system agent voltage?

Bsod 124 usually indicates dirty signal. Power flux. That is a rather high voltage for that oc, any way to lower vrin to 1.9? Might all9w one notch down on ring too. Which in that case might allow vcore drop.

Also what is your vdrop/droop set at? On yours might be listed as vrin protection
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June 29, 2013 12:28:17 PM

My LLC is set at extreme
I just lowered the vrin to 1.9 and ring to 1.190
vrin protection is on auto which is 320mv
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 29, 2013 1:18:34 PM

Set llc to one notch down - prob moderate listing I think. Retest on current settings for stability. Might be able to bump vcore down a little too

Baber was right btw. All of this might be for naught and have to be redone when your gpu comes in. Using igpu will increase load, temps, volt draw etc. 4.5 hold may be still a consideration until you get gpus installed
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June 29, 2013 1:20:35 PM

So what your saying is my 124 error was from too much power?
I turned the llc down one and lowered the vcore to 1.43 but it gave me a 101 error after a few minutes of streaming.
How much of a difference does overclocking with igpu turned off make?
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a b K Overclocking
June 29, 2013 2:17:55 PM

coinmaster said:
So what your saying is my 124 error was from too much power?
I turned the llc down one and lowered the vcore to 1.43 but it gave me a 101 error after a few minutes of streaming.
How much of a difference does overclocking with igpu turned off make?


Try this.

Vcore : 1.35v
CPU input voltage : 1.9v

Should help you with stability
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 29, 2013 6:26:51 PM

124 is not too much power per se. It's dirty signal - poor filtering. And NOW with the 110... not good. I had you relax llc to see what cpu would do. Both cases are pointing to a faulting cpu. Possibly a core failure imminent. At the temps and voltage you were running on basic cooling (basic in relationship to the load being put on the processor) this is not surprising.

I am going to HIGHLY suggest return to 4.5, low voltage as possible, and do not attempt further push until gpus are installed. Using igpu (especially dependant on resolution and freq requested) can impact processor performance and temp significantly. Any further pushing is dangerous at this point. Given bsod errors, I am hoping honestly there is not permanent damage.
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a c 103 K Overclocking
June 29, 2013 6:28:55 PM

Dirty signal = poor power level quality into vrim or cpu. Can be caused by too low or too high or power. If sine wave is outside of expected signal form, these errors will populate
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June 29, 2013 7:08:13 PM

Well my temps were really never all that high. I rarely had my cpu go over mid 70s and it usually stuck around the 60s. It only ever went over that when I used synthetic stress tests which I only did last night.
Also error 101 just means that it needs more vcore, 124 according to the manual means that it needs more or less qpi, vtt, or vcore. I haven't noticed anything strange to indicate damage to my cpu and it ran stable at the settings I had it at before without too much heat.
I put it back on stock settings for now and even undervolted my ram.
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November 21, 2013 1:19:02 PM

Perfectly normal. My 2nd haswell is nearly identical. Cept it takes 1.45 to be prime stable. Much much less for IBT or hyperpi but we all know what the gold standard is and that's what I go by. Once it starts taking a phenomenal amount of voltage to gain stability you know you have reached your chips limit. The next step would take an even larger jump so you are pretty much done.

I have a mean water setup and at 4.6/4.6 I only reach 75 under IBT. Your temps are fine; they will never see that under normal circumstance. I wouldn't press either any further though.

My last chip did 4.7 at 1.46 stable yet was able to do 4.6 at 1.29. A bit better but I dropped it on ceramic tile with no lid lol. Chipped the corner and cost me a really nice monitor to replace :( 

Haswell is pretty resilient but all in all a bunk overclocker. If anyone tells you they are stable at 4.9 or higher they are stable via a different standard or are on phase or better.

Long story short. Kudos for the nuts to press where misinformation has kept the sheep in check.

Until I provided screens at first no one even believed I ran those volts at those temps. Course if they wouldn't have bought into the fuss they would have known otherwise and I wouldn't have had to.
I have ran mine up to 1.6 (my first chip the better of the two) in an attempt to stabilize 4.8 (again 24hr prime) but it still didn't happen and temps were going into the 90s during the avx tests. The temps I may have been able to live with had the voltage even lower but for a 24/7 oc 1.6 was out of my comfort zone :p 

Fwiw this is with a 420 and a 360 on just the chip as well as ap31 typhoons on full (5400rpm) loud as hell but can't expect better cooling short of extreme which isn't feasable for 24/7 either. Chip is delidded obviously and ran naked.

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November 21, 2013 1:23:53 PM

Fwiw worth people believe that lower temps require lower voltage. This is not true either. If it takes u 1.4 for stability at 4.6 with temps hitting 90 it will still take u the same voltage with better cooling and your temps at 70. I can elaborate if necessary but saving me the time and taking my word for it would be the right thing to do :) 
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a c 103 K Overclocking
November 21, 2013 5:17:46 PM

Ty for reiterating what we had said. Good thing no sheep were harmed in the making of your post.

Cooling was the first thing addressed in the thread as an issue (h 100 vs custom 420 and 360 is a big difference.) Had he used same hardware as you, the advice would be different.

No one said what you did couldn't be done. Only that it couldn't as the OP was trying to do it. And after all, focusing on the OP needs is primary in these threads

Prob good to leave a necro'd thread be and not resurrect. Maybe open one of your own to regale your exploits?
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December 9, 2013 3:21:31 PM

-1 reading comprehension.

Considering our "issue" or "specs" or "results" are identical it goes without saying we are basically one in the same.

Course common sense tells you that when he asks if it's wrong/bad/damaging it is more helpful to reply with your results if similar than to just say "no" hence that is what I did. Not suee what this has to do with me other than you giving me unwanted, unwarranted, and unneeded attention.

To the OP an update with your end result would be cool. Chips have been around 6 months or so now which makes posts regarding degredation etc much more realistic. Ironically I have seen none so far that have come to fruition so that leads me to conclude the same as I had/have since day 1. 1.4+ isn't going to hurt your chip.

(Goes without saying 1.6 is a totally different story)
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December 10, 2013 4:22:58 AM

I have a question as well. I bought a new upgrade package. New processor and new motherboard. I have the z87 MPOWER from MSI and also the 4770k.

Standard voltage was around the 0,85v, i thought i left the voltage as it is and see how high i can push my clock till i need to up my voltage. Upping the clock speed to 4.2 GHz changed the voltage to 0,88vcore! Which is in my opinion real good right? Keep in mind i did not change anything about the voltages so it's probably the offset which changed the vcore minimally.

Is this kind of low voltage normal for 4.2 GHz?
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December 31, 2013 2:31:14 PM

dlectable said:
I have a question as well. I bought a new upgrade package. New processor and new motherboard. I have the z87 MPOWER from MSI and also the 4770k.

Standard voltage was around the 0,85v, i thought i left the voltage as it is and see how high i can push my clock till i need to up my voltage. Upping the clock speed to 4.2 GHz changed the voltage to 0,88vcore! Which is in my opinion real good right? Keep in mind i did not change anything about the voltages so it's probably the offset which changed the vcore minimally.

Is this kind of low voltage normal for 4.2 GHz?


that's very good for a VID (essentially stock voltage @ stock clocks) but im venturing/betting that/practically positive your not viewing the value your pc adjusts itself to when boost is effective. Download something like cpuz that displays ratio/speed/voltage in real time. Then run an app so it boosts to max/overclock speed and take note of your core voltage. Then you have your vcore which is still not sufficident for stability. Keep cpuz open and run IBT on high+ or Prime95 and watch your voltage, it will rise some more. This is essentially your stable voltage give/take. Will give you a rougher idea of what is needed to attain stability at your chosen clockspeed.

Its not .8v :im afraid lol. (although at stock that's still a very good vid, most are around .950-1.025

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