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Why do games lag on low settings with this hardware?

this hasnt always been a problem but for months now almost all games I would always run lag, BF3 on lowest, WarZ and others. Also even when I make a new tab or close a tab it freezes and sometimes goes unresponsive for a couple seconds im getting tired and wondering if maybe I need a upgrade? please help thanks guys!

The System:

Operating System
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD Athlon II X2 265 68 °C
Regor 45nm Technology
RAM
4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 575MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A87T (AM3) 46 °C
Graphics
Generic Non-PnP Monitor (1920x1080@60Hz)
AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series (Sapphire/PCPartner) 56 °C
Hard Drives
466GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AAKX-001CA0 ATA Device (SATA) 47 °C
Optical Drives
ATAPI iHAS124 B ATA Device
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio

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  1. first your CPU is very weak for BF3. second we can't tell you much about your GPU because all you said is its a HD 6700 series.

    Do you have many programs running in the background? there could be a program causing these issues also.

    68°C is a bit High for that CPU 72°C is its max.
  2. bgunner said:
    first your CPU is very weak for BF3. second we can't tell you much about your GPU because all you said is its a HD 6700 series.

    Do you have many programs running in the background? there could be a program causing these issues also.


    Heres more monitor and graphics info

    http://gyazo.com/019a7cac1d0e97434f3ac0bec0370cb3
  3. bgunner said:
    first your CPU is very weak for BF3. second we can't tell you much about your GPU because all you said is its a HD 6700 series.

    Do you have many programs running in the background? there could be a program causing these issues also.

    68°C is a bit High for that CPU 72°C is its max.



    heres programs running
    http://gyazo.com/fbc334b3ec19a7f5a6382592b9fc1bd6
  4. If it hasn't been a problem, but recently just started, I'd start with dust buildup. Get in there with a can of air. Don't know if your board has a chipset fan, but don't forget to clean out that as well if it does.

    I also like to re-install windows every few months (neurotic, but it's nice to keep the system clean of junk). If that didn't work, I might re-seat the cpu with some new paste.

    That's where I'd start anyways.
  5. jimthenagual said:
    If it hasn't been a problem, but recently just started, it's not likely faulty hardware. Possible of course, but I'd start with dust buildup. Get in there with a can of air. Don't know if your board has a chipset fan, but don't forget to clean out that as well if it does.

    I also like to re-install windows every few months (neurotic, but it's nice to keep the system clean of junk). If that didn't work, I might re-seat the cpu with some new paste.

    That's where I'd start anyways.


    couple months ago I cleaned out all the dust from 1 year and it then it had less problems so dust isnt it but thanks for reminding me il get in there
  6. Best answer
    your GPU is a HD 6770 by the way which is the same exact thing as the HD 5770. All they did with the 6000 series for that model was a rebadge. No changes at all. This particular GPU is getting up there in age and will soon need to be replaced but as of right now it will still run every game that has been released to date albeit on lowest settings for some.

    your CPU will need replacement first. the Athlon II X2 are no longer viable for gaming unless all you play are older games. They lack the L3 cache and only have 1MB of L2. Right now you can pick up a Phenom II X4 965 BE for around $90 and under if you find a sale. this would really up your system specs to be able to game for a while longer with little cost.

    as for programs running in the background you will need to turn them off one by one to see if they are causing the issue. This is the only way to tell.
  7. bgunner said:
    your GPU is a HD 6770 by the way which is the same exact thing as the HD 5770. All they did with the 6000 series for that model was a rebadge. No changes at all. This particular GPU is getting up there in age and will soon need to be replaced but as of right now it will still run every game that has been released to date albeit on lowest settings for some.

    your CPU will need replacement first. the Athlon II X2 are no longer viable for gaming unless all you play are older games. They lack the L3 cache and only have 1MB of L2. Right now you can pick up a Phenom II X4 965 BE for around $90 and under if you find a sale. this would really up your system specs to be able to game for a while longer with little cost.

    as for programs running in the background you will need to turn them off one by one to see if they are causing the issue. This is the only way to tell.


    GREAT ANSWER!

    can you recommend me a new graphics card and cpu for maybe 100$? my birthday is june 30th so i wanna buy one but I dont wanna get the wrong card and cpu can you help me out?
  8. you will not be able to get both for $100. you can get one or the other or it wont be worth the upgrade. example $50 GPU HD 6650 which is slower than what you have. $50 CPU Athlon II X2 270 @ 3.4GHz which is only .1 GHz faster withthe same amount of cache on the chip.

    here is the 965 I mentioned right now its $94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727&IsVirtualParent=1

    here is a GPU it is just slightly more powerful than what you have and you will notice little performance improvement for $89 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633

    IF you are to upgrade go for the CPU, you will get the best performance boost with that right now.
  9. bgunner said:
    you will not be able to get both for $100. you can get one or the other or it wont be worth the upgrade. example $50 GPU HD 6650 which is slower than what you have. $50 CPU Athlon II X2 270 @ 3.4GHz which is only .1 GHz faster withthe same amount of cache on the chip.

    here is the 965 I mentioned right now its $94 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727&IsVirtualParent=1

    here is a GPU it is just slightly more powerful than what you have and you will notice little performance improvement for $89 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121633

    IF you are to upgrade go for the CPU, you will get the best performance boost with that right now.


    what about this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103996 with 10$ coupon so 90$
  10. that will not work because it is a AM3+ socket. what you have is a AM3 socket. There is a major difference between the 2 sockets. AM3 CPU's will work on a AM3+ motherboard but AM3+ CPU's will Not work on AM3 motherboards.
  11. bgunner said:
    that will not work because it is a AM3+ socket. what you have is a AM3 socket. There is a major difference between the 2 sockets. AM3 CPU's will work on a AM3+ motherboard but AM3+ CPU's will Not work on AM3 motherboards.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

    so im getting this do I need anything else? just buy this and put it in computer? ill find a tutorial but is there anything else i need?
  12. trkh said:
    bgunner said:
    that will not work because it is a AM3+ socket. what you have is a AM3 socket. There is a major difference between the 2 sockets. AM3 CPU's will work on a AM3+ motherboard but AM3+ CPU's will Not work on AM3 motherboards.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

    so im getting this do I need anything else? just buy this and put it in computer? ill find a tutorial but is there anything else i need?


    you do not need anything else if you are just changing the CPU. That CPU comes with its own cooler and has pre-applied thermal paste so no need to buy anything else.

    Yes just buy that CPU and remove the old one then insert the new one in its place making sure to align both arrows so they point at each other. Then attach the new provided cooler.

    You will not need anything else to do this swap. Just remember Before you touch any electronic part in the PC or the new CPU Be sure to touch the metal part of your PC case to discharge any static electricity in your body. If you don't you can potentially fry the chips you touch. Make sure you look up a tutorial and read or watch it a few times so you have a good idea on how to do it before starting.
  13. bgunner said:
    trkh said:
    bgunner said:
    that will not work because it is a AM3+ socket. what you have is a AM3 socket. There is a major difference between the 2 sockets. AM3 CPU's will work on a AM3+ motherboard but AM3+ CPU's will Not work on AM3 motherboards.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

    so im getting this do I need anything else? just buy this and put it in computer? ill find a tutorial but is there anything else i need?


    you do not need anything else if you are just changing the CPU. That CPU comes with its own cooler and has pre-applied thermal paste so no need to buy anything else.

    Yes just buy that CPU and remove the old one then insert the new one in its place making sure to align both arrows so they point at each other. Then attach the new provided cooler.

    You will not need anything else to do this swap. Just remember Before you touch any electronic part in the PC or the new CPU Be sure to touch the metal part of your PC case to discharge any static electricity in your body. If you don't you can potentially fry the chips you touch. Make sure you look up a tutorial and read or watch it a few times so you have a good idea on how to do it before starting.


    thanks a lot i watched a bunch of tutorials from AMD and other people also my motherboard can handle it right? http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M4A87T/
  14. yes your motherboard can handle that CPU with out issues.
  15. bgunner said:
    yes your motherboard can handle that CPU with out issues.


    okay thank you :D last little question haha so my current cpu is 3.3 ghz and this is 3.4gz so im guessing the reason its ghonna be a lot better is cause its quad core? yes? whats the improvement i see
  16. the new CPU will have 2 more cores than what you have now. This will allow the CPU to work on 2 more things at the same time shortening the time it take the CPU to complete a threaded task. (threaded means the ability to use more than one core on the CPU for the same task.) You will have 2MB of L2 cache on the CPU vs. 1MB. Which is on chip memory that gets used to store small amounts of info for extremely quick access. In addition you will now have 6MB of L3 cache that does basically same as L2 but at at a faster rate. The CPU can access the Level cache much quicker than it can access the system ram.

    Improvements will be a faster PC all around because the CPU can work faster. You will see increases in FPS (Frames Per Second) while gaming. You should notice a slight boost in the time it takes for windows to start up, meaning the time will be shorter. May not be a lot shorter but it should cut 1-5 seconds off the boot time. Program boot times should decrease also with this upgrade.

    EDIT: later down the line If you want to Over clock the CPU it goes to 4.0GHz very easily with little effort but you will require an after marker Cooler for the CPU to reach that clock speed.
  17. bgunner said:
    the new CPU will have 2 more cores than what you have now. This will allow the CPU to work on 2 more things at the same time shortening the time it take the CPU to complete a threaded task. (threaded means the ability to use more than one core on the CPU for the same task.) You will have 2MB of L2 cache on the CPU vs. 1MB. Which is on chip memory that gets used to store small amounts of info for extremely quick access. In addition you will now have 6MB of L3 cache that does basically same as L2 but at at a faster rate. The CPU can access the Level cache much quicker than it can access the system ram.

    Improvements will be a faster PC all around because the CPU can work faster. You will see increases in FPS (Frames Per Second) while gaming. You should notice a slight boost in the time it takes for windows to start up, meaning the time will be shorter. May not be a lot shorter but it should cut 1-5 seconds off the boot time. Program boot times should decrease also with this upgrade.

    EDIT: later down the line If you want to Over clock the CPU it goes to 4.0GHz very easily with little effort but you will require an after marker Cooler for the CPU to reach that clock speed.


    So literally the day I was gonna order this I go online and see it is discontinued what is a good replacement? LINK: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727&IsVirtualParent=1
  18. Do a search for Phenom II X4 965 and 970, 975, 980. They are all basically the same CPU but with a different stock multiplier. Because your motherboard is only an AM3 socket you are limited to Athlon II and Phenom II CPU's for upgrades.
  19. bgunner said:
    Do a search for Phenom II X4 965 and 970, 975, 980. They are all basically the same CPU but with a different stock multiplier. Because your motherboard is only an AM3 socket you are limited to Athlon II and Phenom II CPU's for upgrades.


    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002SRQ214/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all

    gonna order from ALB its okay right
  20. I personally have not done business with them but I don't see a reason why not to. That particular company is in Germany so be careful of the shipping cost. If the total price is going to be over the $159 from the seller in New York go with the local (USA) seller. Many times when they say free shipping they mean in the same country.
  21. bgunner said:
    I personally have not done business with them but I don't see a reason why not to. That particular company is in Germany so be careful of the shipping cost. If the total price is going to be over the $159 from the seller in New York go with the local (USA) seller. Many times when they say free shipping they mean in the same country.


    no shipping cost but shipping is sept 6 - 12 so thats long :( why all good american sites stop selling

    EDIT: I think im going for this free expedited shipping and approved seller what do you think http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-965-3-4-GHz-Quad-Core-HDZ965FBK4DGM-Processor-/161088334187?pt=CPUs&hash=item25819ce96b
  22. That one Does Not come with a cooler. that is a CPU only. you need to look for a boxed version. the boxed versions come with the cooler and have thermal paste pre-applied to the cooler. If you buy that one you will need to buy a cooler and possibly thermal paste.

    The reason they are no longer selling them is because the stock of them is drying up. They are no longer made and the supply is dwindling down.

    look for ones with this part number: HDZ965FBGMBOX
  23. bgunner said:
    That one Does Not come with a cooler. that is a CPU only. you need to look for a boxed version. the boxed versions come with the cooler and have thermal paste pre-applied to the cooler. If you buy that one you will need to buy a cooler and possibly thermal paste.

    The reason they are no longer selling them is because the stock of them is drying up. They are no longer made and the supply is dwindling down.

    look for ones with this part number: HDZ965FBGMBOX


    OMG THANK YOU I DID NOT NOTICE THAT! http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002SRQ214/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all so im gonna go for the one in FireMall its good right? also what are my other options? for a CPU? sticking to AMD?
  24. This one will be fine from FireMall.

    Your really limited for options for that motherboard because of the AM3 socket. Your Best option for just a CPU is the one you have picked out. In order to upgrade to anything newer you would need to get a different motherboard "AND" CPU. Because the stock has already dried up for the Phenom II X6 CPU's your only Option is the the Phenom II X4's and anything under the 965 is not worth the upgrade.

    Average price for a mid line motherboard is around $100. Now add the CPU cost on top of that (just for argument sake) lets say $200. Now your looking at around $300 to upgrade. The 965 will get you through the next 3 years but will need to be upgraded after that because it will be way out of date by then.

    read this article it will compare the 965 to the newer CPU's so you will get an idea of what performance you can expect. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/piledriver-k10-cpu-overclocking,3584.html

    after that you can make your final decision on what to do.
  25. bgunner said:
    This one will be fine from FireMall.

    Your really limited for options for that motherboard because of the AM3 socket. Your Best option for just a CPU is the one you have picked out. In order to upgrade to anything newer you would need to get a different motherboard "AND" CPU. Because the stock has already dried up for the Phenom II X6 CPU's your only Option is the the Phenom II X4's and anything under the 965 is not worth the upgrade.

    Average price for a mid line motherboard is around $100. Now add the CPU cost on top of that (just for argument sake) lets say $200. Now your looking at around $300 to upgrade. The 965 will get you through the next 3 years but will need to be upgraded after that because it will be way out of date by then.

    read this article it will compare the 965 to the newer CPU's so you will get an idea of what performance you can expect. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/piledriver-k10-cpu-overclocking,3584.html

    after that you can make your final decision on what to do.


    Alright perfect thank you! and last question what should be my next upgrade a motherboard? or a graphics card? say at christmass
  26. in performance aspects the GPU upgrade would render the most noticeable boost for the next upgrade. From there go for a new motherboard say a AM3+ socket because the 965 CPU will run on that. then you can upgrade the CPU again to get the performance boost of the new generation.
  27. bgunner said:
    in performance aspects the GPU upgrade would render the most noticeable boost for the next upgrade. From there go for a new motherboard say a AM3+ socket because the 965 CPU will run on that. then you can upgrade the CPU again to get the performance boost of the new generation.


    Hey im back! I ended up not getting a 965 because it was out of stock everywhere but I found this on AMD

    http://shop.amd.com/us/All/Detail/Processor/HDZ970FBGMBOX?SearchFacets=category%3AProcessor#Reviews

    will that run on my motherboard? is it a good choice or should I wait? or what?

    thanks a lot!
  28. the only difference between the 965 and the 970 is the clock multiplier. It will work in your motherboard. That CPU is fine.
  29. bgunner said:
    the only difference between the 965 and the 970 is the clock multiplier. It will work in your motherboard. That CPU is fine.


    Alright awesone, Sadly another problem I cant find any AMD Phenom II X4s at all anything else I can get?
  30. the highest CPU's you can go are the Phenom II's At this point you are limited on what you can get due to the socket your board has. If the phenom II's have dried up then your out of luck.

    you can try to find a Phenom II X3 but I'm betting the supply has dried up on those also. the Athlon II X4's will give more performance but minor compared to the Phenom II's X4.
  31. bgunner said:
    the highest CPU's you can go are the Phenom II's At this point you are limited on what you can get due to the socket your board has. If the phenom II's have dried up then your out of luck.

    you can try to find a Phenom II X3 but I'm betting the supply has dried up on those also. the Athlon II X4's will give more performance but minor compared to the Phenom II's X4.


    so should I upgrade my motherboard to a different socket and then get another cpu? like an FX or something
  32. since the phenom II's supply is drying up for the the most part that would be the best option. you will need an AM3+ socket for an FX series CPU.
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