Power Supply Power Distribution?

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just curious as to how the power is distributed to rails on the power supply, matter of fact, im not sure exactly what a rail is. what components use the +3.3V, +5V, +12V1, +12V2, +12V3, +12V4, -12V, +5VSB. Also are PCI and molex on the same rail? and does a rail get over loaded when the ampage is more than regulated. these questions are sparked because my computer experienced powerdowns when using my graphics card in games, so i used the pci to molex adapters that came with the card, and stopped using the pci power from the power supply, and am now using 4 molex insted. the only problem with this is my case was quite beautiful (a work of cable management art :sarcastic: ) and now i have ugly molex adapters and such. so i am wondering why switching to molex worked... or is it just another error and that had nothing to do with it and was just a coincidence. ideally i would like to find a way to get back to using my beautiful pci cables...

my current specs
OCZ Z series 650W 80plus silver.
graphics card gtx 560
cpu 1090t 125w
4 case fans
1x8gb 1600mhz 9cl 1.5v ram
1x120gb ssd
1x500gb hdd

thanks :)
 
PC power supplies use a rectifier and Switched Mode Power Supply to convert the high voltage AC line to an isolated high voltage internal DC line. This high voltage DC line then feeds several step down DC to DC converters (buck converters). The output of each of these DC step down converters forms what's called a "rail".

A "rail" is any power source which can ideally provide power at a constant voltage up to a certain current limit. If the current limit is exceeded, then the rail voltage will begin to drop. The mechanics about why this occurs is due to the way DC-DC converters work.

For safety reasons, it's not a good idea to have a large amount of current flowing across any one single wire. Current causes heat, and heat causes things to melt and catch fire. The ATX12v specification puts a power delivery limit of 240 volt amps on any one particular wire (although it was removed as of ATX12v 2.3, it's still a safety concern if done improperly) and PSU manufacturers have to take this into account. Modern high wattage PSUs can deliver well over 1,000 DC watts at 12 volts. On a single rail, this would far exceed the safety threshold specified by the ATX12v specification mentioned previously.

To get around this, manufacturers either ignore the requirement and build the PSU with thicker internal cables that can safely handle the extra current internally, or they employ multiple DC-DC converters for the same 12 volt supply level. The former, known as single rail, allows all 12 volt leads to draw power from a single large DC-DC converter but is more expensive to construct. The latter, known as multiple-rail, isolates the 12 volt leads into sections which cannot balance power but is easier to construct.

There are of course separate rails for 5 volts, 3.3 volts, 5 volt standby, and -12 volts, but these can be ignored and for the purposes of this post I will talk exclusively about multiple 12 volt rails.

Whenever you see a PSU that has multiple 12 volt rails, they will almost always deliver 20 amperes or less each in order to comply with the ATX12v current limit (despite it no longer being enforced). PSUs with a single 12 volt rail can deliver over 90 amperes on that single rail.

In multi-rail systems, the breakdown of how the rails are organized is usually written on the PSU itself or inside of the manual. In a system with two rails, one may feed the ATX connectors and peripherals, while the other feeds the PCIe connectors. In a system with 3 or more rails, they will usually have multiple dedicated PCIe rails.

Now, on to your problem specifically.

OCZ power supplies, specifically the ModXStream series, are crap. They suck plain and simple. You should use PCIe connectors for graphics cards whenever able. Using Molex to PCIe adapters is a bad idea and should only ever be used on low power cards and as a last resort. Replace your power supply with a good one from SeaSonic or XFX (XFX power supplies are manufactured by SeaSonic).
 

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Thank you for the indetail answer. i read through my manual, i have 4 18A 12V rails. this is obviously my problem because the gtx 560 require 24A. now i know that my pci 6 pin and my pci 6+2 pin are on different 18A 12V rails, and since my graphics card has 2x6 pin connectors, will it split the load equally between both rails? and also why does it work when i use the adapters? and not when i use the pci cables?

also i was looking at this PSU before making this thread happens to be an xfx, what do you think? http:// since my cpu pulls 125W max tdp, at 12v thats about 10-11 amps, and my gpu maxes out a t 24A, and this PSU has 1 12v rail rated at 44A i should be good right?
 


PCIe cards with a 16x connector (not necessarily running at 16x mode, just has to be full width) can draw 75 watts from the PCIe socket under PCIe 1.x and 150 watts under PCIe 2.0+ (although 150 watts is rarely drawn for compatibility purposes).

Your GTX 560 (assuming it's a standard edition) draws on average 150 watts, or approximately 12.5 amperes, under nominal conditions. This will be broken down into 75 watts from the socket and 75 watts from a 6 pin PCIe connector. Two connectors may be used to further reduce the load on the motherboard, sourcing almost all current from the PCIe connectors which are better suited for it. Combined, this is significantly less than the 18 amperes on one of your 12 volt rails and should not be causing a problem as long as it's not sharing a rail with your motherboard and CPU.

The XFX Pro series PSUs are a great choice.
 

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Hmm, i wonder why it wasnt working then. i suppose ill give it another try...
 


Like I said above, OCZ power supplies are crap. It's entirely possible that the rail feeding your PCIe connector is just wonky.
 

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in that case only one is most likly wonky right? can i use just one pci power cable instead of both of them?
 


I use [H]ardOCP as my go-to place for PSU reviews. They tend to be far more critical of stupid design decisions and assess PSUs on performance more so than on price. They have much stricter pass/fail standards and will often fail PSUs that receive high ratings from other reviewing outlets which tend to put a lot more weight on the pricetag.
 
I like [H]ardOCP but I'm sure you've read what they say, their tests are designed to stress PSU's beyond any normal usage and they expect most to fail their testing - even still only 2 out of 6 OCZ units tested by them failed their tests. It's blanket statements I respond to... not all OCZ PSU's are crap