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Hi i just got the gtx 770 evga superclocked and was comparing frames with a friend who just got the same card. he was getting a good 20+ more frames than me on bf3 on ultra. there were times where my frames dropped to about 50-58 while he was still getting around 80-90fps. i know all pc builds are different but i was wondering if you guys can tell me if there is anything that can be bottlenecking my system here is my build: i dont know much about my friends build other than he has a i5-4670. my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mark91193/saved/1RuK
 
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just to confirm, you do have your gpu in the 16x pcie slot (top slot), not the 4x one right? Your motherboard BIOS is updated? Motherboard BIOS settings set correctly? Like i said before, just swap gpu's with your mate for a week and see how it goes, then you have 100% confirmation if its the gpu or not.
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i have vsync off and i tried it at the same resolution as him and still get 20fps less than him. can the card be defected. i just got it so i can probably exchange it at microcenter
 
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I don't think that would be a bottleneck, but then again, that processor is a couple generations old. In bf3, the bottlenecking can be resolved by turning down the "Mesh Quality" graphics setting, which is very CPU intensive. Mesh quality is what determines how far you can see spotted infantry. Turning it down to high would likely alleviate your problem, with out sacrificing much. Also, playing on 64 man servers is also very intensive on the processor.
 
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Check this setting

adaptive_performance.jpg
 
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yea i have a feeling it might be cpu related but not 100% sure. i mean it doesnt look bad but just wondering why he was getting so much more frames than me
 
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Just try turning down the mesh quality, and if your frames jump back up, then we know.
 
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Some games will be more CPU-dependent than others.
Skyrim:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427-6.html

BF3 is supposedly more GPU-dependent so I'm surprised that you would see much difference, however I think the MULTIPLAYER portion is more CPU-dependent:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-13.html
and
http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page7.html
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_3_vga_and_cpu_performance_benchmark_test,3.html

I didn't see any RAM mentioned either, but I assume you probably have 8GB of 1333 or 1600MHz.

*You have a pretty good system. The 2600K is still a good CPU and for many games won't make much difference compared to the i5-4670. I'm not sure why the difference is so great in this instance but that shouldn't be typical.
 
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Those all look like single player benchmarks. In multiplayer, the processor has a more taxing job, with spotting enemies.
 
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CPU may be 2 gens old but it is not a bottleneck - it is easily enough to max out the 770 and then some. The bottleneck in most systems is almost always the GPU.

I cannot see any obvious reason why you would be experiencing lower performance, but am sure the reason is to be found somewhere in driver and game settings. First, are you sure that your friend's game settings are identical? You say that vsync is disabled, but have you checked the vsync settings in your drivers as well as in the game? Are you running Virtu MVP? Has your friend overclocked his GPU?
 
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yea i didnt know what ram it is cause it was the ram that was in my dell xps 8300. its 8gb of ddr3 1333
 
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Mesh quality is a killer. The 770 isn't the cultprit, because if it was faulty, we would likely see much lower performance than what we are seeing now. It is telltale of bottlenecking. And it isn't exactly unheard of with that processor, it's just that most get the unlocked version, which is very overclockable and can easily be relieved of a bottleneck.
 
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we both compared using ultra preset. we went into an empty server looking at one spot on different maps and different positions. my fps was always 20fps less. he was getting 90+ while i was getting 65-80. we are on the same drivers. i have vsync disabled in game and in nvidia control panel
 
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http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Battlefield-3-PC-221396/Specials/Battlefield-3-Multiplayer-Tipps-CPU-Benchmark-1039293/

This is German, but the graph is a multi-player test (Ultra, 720p...). It shows the 2600K doing quite well. The i5-4670 (if it is non-K) can't be overclocked as high as the 2600K so the 2600K might even be better than the i5-4670 in some cases if overclocked higher.

The i5-2600K is also hyperthreaded, but very few games can take any advantage of the extra threads in a 4C/8T CPU.

You can consider the i5-4670K as almost identical to the i5-3570K. Again, if you overclock the i5-2600K to a slightly higher frequency than the i5-4670 you can get about the SAME performance.
 
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idk if the K model makes a difference but i have the standard i7-2600 no K

 
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No K means it cannot be overclocked, and it also has a very slightly lower stock clock.
 
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i7-2600 vs i5-4670

Okay, both are non-K versions I guess. I don't think there's a huge difference between these in gaming even in a worst-case scenario.

In the following SKYRIM benchmark (Skyrim can be very CPU-dependent) you can see little difference between the 2600/3500/4600 processors.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/5

You might think the game is GPU-dependent but look at the FX-8350 8-core CPU even when it's running at 4.8GHz is falling way behind.

So your i7-2600 is a very good CPU still!!!
 
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ok so i moved it into the pcie 3.0 and no difference still lower frames. mesh shadow quality lowered it to high and even medium settings and performance was the same but when i lowered msaa i gained about 5 to 10 frames. im going to exchange the card just to be sure its not that. :( hopefully that is the problem
 
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