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This is what I have so far, but I still need win7 and a monitor. I have no idea what I can downgrade without losing a lot of performance. I can afford all this, but idk if I should be spending $1000 on the full rig. The i5 is nice cus it doesn't run hot and I can see this machine lasting a lot longer than AMD, but I really don't know. Also, can someone suggest a monitor?

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Performance ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($112.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Expansys US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($48.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $713.78
 
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No, the video card itself is connected to the power supply directly. When it's no longer being used as much, it draws a lot less power from the PSU. You can look at reviews somewhere, and you'll be looking at power draw under load, and power draw at idle. Any motherboard is going to be able to utilize any video card under full load just fine, assuming you have the the right power supply attached to the video card. I.e., trying to get a 500w recommended video card to work with a crappy 430w PSU. I linked a fairly good 600w PSU, so you'd be just fine there for your entire system. Remember that just because it's rated for lets say 800w, you still have to get it from a quality manufacturer. Corsair is a quality brand for Psu's.
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a few things:

first of all, thermal damage to the hardware is irrelevant as long as you run them at stock settings. if you honestly expect to be gaming on this PC for 5+ years then be prepared for tone down your settings to the lowest possible in 4-5 years

now looking at your build, I would say it's a good build, and it's already barebones. there is NO WAY you can cut out money for win7 and a monitor. spend the extra money. otherwise you'll just find yourself spending $300+ on upgrades in 1-2 years. I'm talking upgrading BOTH the CPU and GPU. otherwise it simply won't keep up
 
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to cut budget that much you'll have to go the APU route. be warned that while it's cheap and lets you game, you're stuck on an entry level platform due to the FM2 socket.

**CPU** | [AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad660kwohlbox) | $109.99 @ Microcenter
**Motherboard** | [ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-fm2a75pro4m) | $59.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [GeIL EVO Leggara Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/geil-memory-gel38gb2133c11dc) | $69.99 @ Newegg
**Storage** | [Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st310005n1a1asrk) | $70.67 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [PowerColor Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-ax77501gbd5dh) | $62.48 @ NCIX US
**Case** | [Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-200r) | $49.99 @ Newegg
**Power Supply** | [Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cmpsu430cxv2) | $19.99 @ Newegg
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $443.10

there, that's my uber el-cheapo gaming build. should get you similar or better performance if you crossfire the 7750 with the APU's iGPU :) but you're pretty much stuck on upgrading
 
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I would actually go the Amd route. Here is a build that will work out just fine for now, but has the ability to be upgraded quite a bit by just swapping one part.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.39 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.24 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.06 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Acer G236HLBbd 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $851.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-01 00:19 EDT-0400)

Everything is pretty standard, give you the OS and Monitor as well. After Amd Steamroller is introduced, you can decide which cpu fits your needs and upgrade to that, it'll still be a socket AM3+. You'll actually get better gaming performance with my build with the slower cpu and faster video card than your build with the better cpu and 650ti. General pc usage isn't going to tax either cpu unless you heavily video edit or such activities.

I upgraded from a Phenom II 940 oc'ed to 3.5ghz to the Intel 3570k, and I don't notice much difference at all.
 
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Thanks, this looks a lot better for my budget. But am I correct to assume running all that power to the video card could put extra wear on a cheap board? I mean, would you upgrade the PSU or motherboard to keep this thing going longer?

Lets say the GPU is running full speed and really hot, then I close out of the game I'm playing. Where does all that extra power go?
 
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No, the video card itself is connected to the power supply directly. When it's no longer being used as much, it draws a lot less power from the PSU. You can look at reviews somewhere, and you'll be looking at power draw under load, and power draw at idle. Any motherboard is going to be able to utilize any video card under full load just fine, assuming you have the the right power supply attached to the video card. I.e., trying to get a 500w recommended video card to work with a crappy 430w PSU. I linked a fairly good 600w PSU, so you'd be just fine there for your entire system. Remember that just because it's rated for lets say 800w, you still have to get it from a quality manufacturer. Corsair is a quality brand for Psu's.
 
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not entirely correct. the GPU is powered by the PCIe slot directly (upto 150W), any excess power it needs is supplied directly from the PSU via the PCIE 6/8pin cables. but you're right that it'll regulate power usage itself and draw less or more power as needed. the motherboard does suffer a bit from the extra heat from the GPU due to proximinity, and a cheaper motherboard will see the PCIe slot bend a little bit under the weight of the GPU/heat. however these are really long term issues, and judging by how tech, especially Intel has done things in the past, you wouldn't care about the mobo/CPU lasting more than 4-5 years since by then we'll have a new socket and you'll likely be upgrading both CPU and mobo (there's a good chance next-gen console ports will utilize 6-8 cores due to the octacore APU they have).
 
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