next gen console equivelant pc

kansei · Jul 1, 2013

hi there, im looking to build a gaming pc capable of running the latest games at 60 fps.. hoping to keep price below £450 if its even possible

things i need are CPU (atleast a quad) , mobo , GPU (was looking at 7870) and possibly a new PSU i have this one now "Antec VP450P 450W"
also i need mATX to fit my case

many hours of researching helped me come up with this setup :

Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Motherboard - £50
AMD FX-6350 Black Edition CPU - £105
Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt - £ 63
Sapphire 11199-19-20G AMD Radeon HD 7870 Dual-X OC 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card - £163

total is around £384 with shipping

but with the new consoles having 8 core AMD in them, it makes me think this will be less of a system

i have a hdd and ram for now, ill upgrade to ssd and better quality ram after i have the main things sorted

boulbox · Jul 1, 2013

You have a 7870 in the system, the next gen consoles won't and will have a lower tier card inside(maybe around a 7770 or 7750)

Games do not take more than 4 cores(at least most) they put inside 8 cores to have longevity(even though core to core it will be slower than a quad)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus F2A85-M PRO Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£93.96 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card (£164.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £376.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-01 18:12 BST+0100)

This is going for price to performance.

Reason for going with the A8 5600k
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-/9

Also, i don't think you need a new PSU(unless that old one is like 5 years old already) If you want to spend more money, i suggest putting it on a CPU cooler so you can overclock and then get a stronger card like a 770 or 7970(if wanting to go for the bigger and stronger, i would personally get the 770 for an mATX because of the better power efficiency which sometimes mean less heat)

g-unit1111 · Jul 1, 2013

You have a 7870 in the system, the next gen consoles won't and will have a lower tier card inside(maybe around a 7770 or 7750)

The new consoles are using glorified AMD APUs, they will not have a dedicated graphics card. That's why this PC / console comparison is absolute nonsense. An FX-6350 and a 7870 will completely annihilate any console that comes along for the next few years. It's just dumb to compare the two.

kansei · Jul 1, 2013

boulbox :

PSU is around 7-8 months old so if you think itll handle the gpu and everything else then ill stick with it, also i had a quick check for those cards and theyre expensive compared to the rest £300-350.. if the 7870 is capable of keeping up with the consoles then ill go with that for now atleast

thanks for the list youve given me anyway, cant believe i didnt see that cpu before.. will this run well at 1920×1080 res ?

@g-unit i understand theyre built different etc im not looking for exact matches, i just dont want to build something that is worse than the consoles performance

g-unit1111 · Jul 1, 2013

kansei :

Any PC you build with a dedicated CPU and GPU will completely destroy any PS4 or XBox One that comes along. In terms of graphics the PC will beat the consoles every single time, there is no need to worry about your PC being beat by a console. If a PS4 had a GTX 660 and an Intel i5, they'd be priced around $1500, and there's no way they would sell any units. The APU helps maintain the $400 price point.

CPU: AMD A8-5600K 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£67.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus F2A85-M PRO Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£93.96 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card (£164.99 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£49.99 @ Aria PC)
Total: £376.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-01 18:12 BST+0100)

Why an APU with a GPU? Why not get an Intel i3 or a FX-6350? :heink:

kansei · Jul 1, 2013

intel i3? i have one of them in now but its only dual core ( i3-550 ) paired with a 6670 .. id like to run bf4 when it comes out a fairly good settings so expected id need a quad atleast and a gpu upgrade

boulbox · Jul 1, 2013

g-unit1111 :

I find that the A8 5600k is all you really need for most games with a single GPU. I guess for some other games that are a bit more CPU intensive is where the A8 falls though

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6985/54997.png

But some other games, the testing showed very little differences
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6985/54985.png

Original test: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-at-1440p-adding-in-haswell-/5

Also not to mention the CPU and Mobo is super cheap and you can get a good f2 mobo for around $50 already.
And because mATX for AMD is not that great imo(i guess since AMD is not getting as much attention as intel these past few years, well at least for their AM3+ boards)

g-unit1111 · Jul 1, 2013

kansei :

The i3-3225 is actually significantly improved over the LGA 1156 systems.

But some other games, the testing showed very little differences
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6985/54985.png

Original test: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6985/choosing-a-gaming-cp...

How can there only be a 1.2 FPS difference between the $1K i7-3970X and the $100 A10-5800K? :heink:

edtheguy · Jul 1, 2013

intel i3? i have one of them in now but its only dual core ( i3-550 ) paired with a 6670 .. id like to run bf4 when it comes out a fairly good settings so expected id need a quad atleast and a gpu upgrade

And here, I think, is the real question which is "What do I need for specs to run games developed for next gen consoles..."

Because while the consoles themselves will have modest architecture compared to any gaming pc, the games developed for them will be much beefier by the time they are ported to pc.....

boulbox · Jul 1, 2013

I guess it is that metro is just more GPU intensive than CPU.

i3 is also a great choice but games are slowly moving out of the duo core and moving onto quad core.

g-unit1111 · Jul 1, 2013

boulbox :

Well I guess that proves what I've been saying all along that the GPU is more important than the CPU. Interesting.

boulbox · Jul 1, 2013

Also, in a way. The tests are a bit "rigged" by putting it on 1440p. When it is on 1440p, the GPU matters more than the CPU which is where the performance will all be at. When it goes down to 1080p, it shows where the CPUs have bigger differences.

g-unit1111 · Jul 1, 2013

boulbox :

Yeah you can only trust most of those benchmarks as far as you can throw them. I just took a statistics class that shows you how to debunk this kind of stuff and it really has me skeptical of a lot of benchmarks like this. If they actually showed you individual parameters and what they used to achieve these numbers I could see that happening, but a lot of these charts - especially the ones posted at Tech Power Up, just seem like they're rigged on multiple levels.

kansei · Jul 1, 2013

thanks for the replies guys, i think ill wait it out a bit until we get an idea what these new games require in terms of pc power and just base it around that but i think my original setup will be good enough, if anything the parts might even drop in price by then

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