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July 1, 2013 11:03:33 PM

Should I go for the 770 or the 7970 Ghz Edition for next gen games such as BF4, Watch Dogs, etc.? CPU: i7 3770 Power Supply: 500W
July 1, 2013 11:11:13 PM

PheadJuice said:
Should I go for the 770 or the 7970 Ghz Edition for next gen games such as BF4, Watch Dogs, etc.? CPU: i7 3770 Power Supply: 500W


I would say go with the one which you find the cheapest because both are on par in terms of performance.
But you may need to upgrade your PSU...
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July 1, 2013 11:16:15 PM

A PSU that can handle a 560ti well will handle even a GTX780 well. My pick would be a HD7970ghz edition, since Square Enix games including Watch Dogs and FrostBite 3-powered games like BF4 will be optimized for AMD hardwares more. Plus you may get some games for free with the HD7970ghz edition, depends on your country and the store you're buying from.
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July 1, 2013 11:43:44 PM

Asus GTX770 DCU2 OC:

Here is a SUMMARY BENCHMARK of several different cards totaling many different games. Look at the GREEN highlight representing the above Asus version of the 770 (The 1920x1200 is the most typical resolution):
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

The above card is $420 and the best card for that money. There are a few 4GB versions for slightly more money but unless you have multiple monitors that's overkill (for the near future at least).

I wouldn't be surprised if the price jumped as it's popular now.

AMD's Game Packages:
The free games in Never Settle Reloaded seem to have disappeared. So the HD7970 appears to be almost the same price as the above Asus card but not perform as well.
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July 1, 2013 11:51:24 PM

photonboy said:
Asus GTX770 DCU2 OC:

Here is a SUMMARY BENCHMARK of several different cards totaling many different games. Look at the GREEN highlight representing the above Asus version of the 770 (The 1920x1200 is the most typical resolution):
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

The above card is $420 and the best card for that money. There are a few 4GB versions for slightly more money but unless you have multiple monitors that's overkill (for the near future at least).

I wouldn't be surprised if the price jumped as it's popular now.

AMD's Game Packages:
The free games in Never Settle Reloaded seem to have disappeared. So the HD7970 appears to be almost the same price as the above Asus card but not perform as well.


Yes, showing a card with custom cooler and clock along many other reference cards. Such a fair way to show its advantage over other GTX770s... not.

The 4gb version won't come it useful as it's limited by the GPU's performance.

Edit : still found 7970 cards with NS:Reloaded.
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July 1, 2013 11:51:29 PM

GTX 600/700 features
(Shadowplay is GTX600 and higher; other features are earlier as well):

Shadowplay:
A new feature coming very soon that can record VIDEOS of your game play with almost NO hit to game performance (3% roughly so you may stay at 60FPS).

Adaptive VSYNC:
Prevents stutter from dropping below or above target frame rate. More info online.

PHYSX:
I sometimes turn it off if it's too demanding but it's worth including as a feature (Note: turn OFF VSYNC and DX11 for Batman Arkham City)
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July 1, 2013 11:56:54 PM

Madn3ss795 said:
photonboy said:
Asus GTX770 DCU2 OC:

Here is a SUMMARY BENCHMARK of several different cards totaling many different games. Look at the GREEN highlight representing the above Asus version of the 770 (The 1920x1200 is the most typical resolution):
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

The above card is $420 and the best card for that money. There are a few 4GB versions for slightly more money but unless you have multiple monitors that's overkill (for the near future at least).

I wouldn't be surprised if the price jumped as it's popular now.

AMD's Game Packages:
The free games in Never Settle Reloaded seem to have disappeared. So the HD7970 appears to be almost the same price as the above Asus card but not perform as well.


Yes, showing a card with custom cooler and clock along many other reference cards. Such a fair way to show its advantage over other GTX770s... not.

The 4gb version won't come it useful as it's limited by the GPU's performance.


He says he's on a $400 budget. I showed a $420 card and how it performs. How is that not fair? It also shows the performance of stock GTX770's and even the HD7970 GigaHertz (GH) edition cards.

It shows the HD7970 stock getting 86% the performance and the HD7970 GHz (1000MHz) getting 91% of the above Asus 770 card.

This is the exact information I'd want.

I covered all the bases at this price range for him to make an informed decision in a single graph that summarizes several different games. I don't think I could have made it any more "fair".

4GB:
I admit it won't matter in a single card. I mentioned multi-monitor by which I implied but didn't state SLI with two or more cards.
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July 2, 2013 12:06:00 AM

Yes but it doesn't make it the best GTX770. PhysX doesn't apply for games listed above also.
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July 2, 2013 12:10:26 AM

Thank you all for your help! Great to see well-thought out responses. I have decided I want to go with a 770, but am not 100% sure which one to get. I currently own some ASUS equipment(tv and sound card) and am leaning towards them as I know they make high quality stuff. I have also heard of incredible performance for the "Zotac AMP" 770 and the "Gigabyte Windforce" and "EVGA Classified" 770s. Can someone please explain how these compare to eachother? Thanks!
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July 6, 2013 7:38:21 PM

PheadJuice said:
Thank you all for your help! Great to see well-thought out responses. I have decided I want to go with a 770, but am not 100% sure which one to get. I currently own some ASUS equipment(tv and sound card) and am leaning towards them as I know they make high quality stuff. I have also heard of incredible performance for the "Zotac AMP" 770 and the "Gigabyte Windforce" and "EVGA Classified" 770s. Can someone please explain how these compare to eachother? Thanks!


I gave a link or two above to the ASUS card I recommend. I'm not sure why the other guy was upset with me, but there are BENCHMARKS so you can see how it performs. It's both FASTER and QUIETER than a stock 770.

Asus teardown video (skip to 8 minutes):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24RqCK_Rhes
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July 6, 2013 9:47:42 PM

LOL, yea, photonboy, die hard Asus fan and is ready to skip the other brands regardless they make greater stuffs or not.

From the 3 770 above, get the Gigabyte one, as it has the best cooler out of those 3, while core clock is only 3-5% slower than the Zotac AMP!, making real life different in framterate too small to be realized.
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July 7, 2013 4:13:57 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
LOL, yea, photonboy, die hard Asus fan and is ready to skip the other brands regardless they make greater stuffs or not.

From the 3 770 above, get the Gigabyte one, as it has the best cooler out of those 3, while core clock is only 3-5% slower than the Zotac AMP!, making real life different in framterate too small to be realized.


I recommended the Asus because of both great online reviews as well as the Asus teardown video and description of all the features. I have no such information to confirm that the Gigabyte or Zotac cards are as good or better.

You call me a "fanboy" which I'm not, nor do you provide any links of your own that discuss build quality and performance. I think I've done my due diligence in research. Here is just one link (there are several) and a few quotes from the Conclusion which mirror OTHER reviews as well: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/06/17/asus_geforce_...

Quote 1:
This video card was engineered to perform and to last. The ASUS GeForce GTX 770 DirectCU II is a sturdy video card built on quality PCB. There is even a back plate that covers the entire backside of the video card, which reduces heat and protects rear mounted components. The DirectCU II cooling kept the temperatures vastly cooler than the competition while remaining virtually silent.

Quote 2:
With an outstanding overclock achieved, so far the highest we have achieved on a GeForce GTX 770 based video card, it is worthy of our highest award.

If you have solid evidence that proves a particular GTX770 is better than this Asus card, by all means provide the links! Otherwise, I'd appreciate it if you don't throw around terms like "die hard Asus fan" or other derogatory terms. There's no cause to be a jerk here.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the AMD game coupons are gone now. If they exist I couldn't find them.
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July 7, 2013 4:27:25 AM

Skip the coupon part, that was a week ago, don't bring it back. Now I care more about actual test results, not everything reviewers said because they're supposed to praise the cards after all. If we research a bit about other cards, from the same source:





Maximum Overclock Comparison
Max. GPU Clock Max. Mem Clock
MSI GTX 770 Gaming 1200 MHz 1985 MHz
MSI GTX 770 Lightning 1225 MHz 2040 MHz
ASUS GTX 770 DC II 1185 MHz 2030 MHz
Gigabyte GTX 770 1225 MHz 1960 MHz
Palit GTX 770 JetStream 1205 MHz 2035 MHz
NVIDIA GTX 770 1210 MHz 2015 MHz


GPU Temperature Comparison
Idle Load
MSI GTX 770 Gaming 34°C 79°C
MSI GTX 770 Lightning 37°C 71°C
ASUS GTX 770 DC II 29°C 76°C
Gigabyte GTX 770 34°C 76°C
Palit GTX 770 JetStream 31°C 78°C
NVIDIA GTX 770 35°C 80°C

Source = TPU.

Although the actual different in FPS is small, it's still fairly interesting, isn't it?
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July 7, 2013 4:55:48 AM

Madn3ss795,
I'm not sure what is supposed to be "fairly interesting" other than the fact they have a similar maximum overclock. There's a good reason for that due to GPU BOOST 2, however to maintain this level of cooling some cards will have fans that spin up very loudly. So you really have to have the frequency, temperature, AND noise level under load to make accurate comparisons.

I have no problems recommending the Gigabyte either, but if we want to discuss interesting things here's a few:
- the ASUS card runs cooler in idle than any other card (and apparently QUIETER as well by all the reviews)
- the ASUS card has a backplate which helps in heat dissipation and prevents FLEXING that can destroy a card over time.

If you haven't done so, perhaps watch the video I linked for the Asus card (from eight minutes on). There's some additional information there.

While I recommend the Asus and overclocking it, I'm sure the Gigabyte and a few other cards are very similar for performance at least.

Personally, NOISE and RELIABILITY are my main concerns followed closely by performance. Value is there too, but I'll generally pay a little more if I feel it's justified. I tend to research the heck out of choices like video cards. My current card is the Asus GTX680 DCU2 OC which is quiet and cool, and my last card was the Sapphire Tech HD5870 Vapor-X. Before that, a Gigabyte. )

*I'm done here. I'm sure there's more than enough info. Other than discussing if his PSU is adequate I've got nothing.
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July 7, 2013 5:05:38 AM

Keep on checking TPU's reviews...

Asus:



MSI Lightning:



Since under-clocking when high temp starts at 80 degree, Asus one is facing a problem here. Differences in idle temp won't harm durability any at all. Noise under load I have already posted above.

Backplate is not always needed when a single bar is enough. As for cooling, the only things to be cooled on the back are some additional chips for heavy OC-ing, and MSI has a better cooling solution for that here:



Given how good the lightning cooler is : http://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_vantage_-_performance...

And I don't really care about teardown videos. Each brand can do that for their own cards.
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July 7, 2013 5:17:49 AM

Power Supply:
The 770 overclocked card uses roughly 350W (system) under load (varies by CPU overclock, fans, drives etc). That's 70% of 500W. However, you can NEVER actually use the full amount of power from a PSU (that number is calculated by adding individual voltage outputs under load, but when you COMBINE these loads the usable total drops.)

So it's very likely you'd be using over 80 to 90% of what's directly available to the graphics card but it's difficult to be accurate there.

PSU's also generally maintain a constant low fan speed and then ramp up at about 50% load getting progressively louder (big difference between 50% and 70%).

My advice would be to get a quality 650W PSU. Your max load while gaming will likely be about 50%

I'm just stating some facts. You can do what you with them. There's a strong chance your current PSU will work fine (albeit more loudly than others).
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July 7, 2013 5:34:13 AM

madn3ss795,
Rather than discuss your MSI comment, I'll simply link to the review:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_770_Lightnin...

Such as
"I wish MSI had reduced noise levels a bit more by using some of the available temperature headroom,..." and

"MSI is promoting voltage control on the Lightning but the range is extremely limited with a +0.012 V maximum increase. Definitely not worth the effort."

Anyway, I said I'm gone so I guess I should stick to that.
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July 7, 2013 8:25:22 PM

If you want lower noise, check the 770 gaming. If you want higher maximum voltage, use MSI Afterburner along with this card's 2nd bios.

Even with that blamed noise level, which is the same as the Asus one, it's still 10 degree cooler than Asus card :lol: 
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