Something's burning when I'm gaming!

srswan

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Hi, this is my first post on Tom's Hardware, although I have been reading on here to seek advice for years :)

Nearly two years ago (November 2011) I bought a custom PC from Digital Storm. Although I have had several issues with the rig, I have never had to call their tech support or directly ask for help anywhere else, as I have been able to Google stuff and figure it out on my own. However, this time I am stumped, and cannot really find anything helpful on the web!

First off, here is my setup:

Chassis: 942 HAF X - Cooler Master
CPU: i7 2600k 3.4GHZ quad core
GPU: GTX 580
MOBO: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe
RAM: ADATA Gaming Series - 8GB DDR3 2000MHZ
PSU: 800W Corsair GS
SSD: 60GB Corsair Force GT Series (for OS, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit)
HDD: 1TB Western Digital Caviar 7200rpm (for data)
Sound: Auzen X-Fi Hometheater HD 7.1
Net card: Killer 2100
Airflow: Standard Chassis Fans
Water cooling: Honestly I do not remember the brand for the radiator, but I know it was around 120-150 bucks and I figured I needed it because I was planning on overclocking up to 4.8 GHZ.

The CPU is NOT overclocked at the moment, as I have had heat issues in the past when it was formerly OCed to about 4.5 GHZ. Although it ran perfectly, while OCed, for about a year, I decided to clean everything out and reset the CPU back to stock to fix the heat problems. That was about 6-8 months ago, and I have had no issues since then.

However, about five days ago I was playing a game (WoW Mists on ultra) and I started smelling something burning in the room. At first, I seriously didn't know if the house was on fire or if it was my PC. The smell was very strong and pungent, and smelled something like burning plastic, or maybe even burning hair. I turned around to look in my room and I swear I could barely make out some steam fizzling away (I say "swear" because it was late and I might have been loopy and seeing things because I was, of course, freaking out). I quickly shutdown and unplugged everything and decided to take a look inside the next day. When I did, I didn't find any signs of damage on the inside, although I was not able to get a "completely thorough" look-through because I did not feel comfortable removing the water cooler (I wouldn't mind doing it if I really knew what I was doing). I thought that maybe the PSU blew, but I couldnt find any evidence there. As far as I know, nothing is wrong with the mobo or CPU. My guess at the time was that dust or a hair from my cat got into the PC somehow and got fried. I cleaned out dust for a while (it was pretty dusty) and put the window back on.

The computer was unplugged and untouched for three days (I was out of town on a trip), and when I got back, I was able to boot it up with no problems. I checked BIOS, looked over all of the CPU temps, voltages, etc, and I haven't been able to find anything wrong. I figured I had guessed right, the dust problem was messing it up. I was even able to play games fine for a couple days. Then, when I was gaming, I noticed my frame rate had dropped for some reason. I shutdown and checked BIOS and apparently my CPU was at a dangerously high temp. I don't remember the exact numbers at the time, but I did wait for it to cool off for 15 mins, booted it back up, and it was back to a normal temp.

I downloaded RealTemp and have been monitoring my CPU temp while in Windows and doing various things on my PC. The temp right now, for example, is at 68-70 C, and all I am doing is running Chrome. However, when gaming, it heats up to 98 C pretty fast, and at that point, the CPU has to slow down to cool off (hence my frame rate drop). The CPU stays at around 1.1GHZ to keep at 95-98 C (lol).

So, obviously I know I have a cooling issue. However, I do have a few other questions...for example, what the heck was burning?? Is it possible that my radiator coolant actually evaporated and steamed out somehow from the extremely high temps? I have seen temps over 100 C during this whole ordeal. Or could it have just been dust or hair getting fried on something inside, from the extremely high temps? Or, is it possible that one of either the PSU, mobo, GPU, or CPU, etc. actually DID get fried, but somehow still works? Is that even possible?

Also, I should say that the smell stuck around in the room for several days after the initial scare, and at times, like when my PC is very stressed from gaming, I can KIND of smell a very slight burning scent. I have just attributed this to the very strong burning that happened last week, and that the scent I smell now (it comes and goes randomly) is just the leftover smell of whatever got fried.

Right now, I plan on reapplying thermal paste to the CPU, although I don't really know how to do that with my water cooler. I am also up for upgrading my fans inside, or maybe even replacing the water cooler for an air cooler.

If this is posted in the wrong forum, I apologize :)

I would appreciate any and all help! :D


 
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Well...I'm using a CM Hyper 212 Plus, and you can see what my temps are. I started Prime95 about an hour ago, and the max temp on the CPU is 66C.
Reading in here, I've not seen great results from the packaged liquid coolers over the better air coolers. With far less hassle.

But yours 'should' be doing better. Something is not quite right.

srswan

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Thanks for the links, I will check them out and try to fix this ASAP!

When you say the CPU is "cooking itself" that sounds so bad! Is it possible that it has been damaged in any way? I have always figured that if something REALLY went wrong, it would stop working altogether...makes me wonder how often this has happened in the past without me knowing.
 

USAFRet

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May have shortened the overall life. If everything runs OK, no way to know if or how much until it actually dies.

But yes...ramping up to 100C indicates a loose cooler.
Take it off, clean all the thermal paste of both side, reapply, and reinstall.
 

csf60

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Well old CPUs would have died instantly, but today CPUs throttle to a lower clockspeed and voltage (as you said) to avoid reaching too high a temperature. This is not failproof, however.
 

srswan

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Gotcha...thanks to you both for answering again. I went out and bought some Antec Formula 7 from Best Buy last night, cleaned out everything, reapplied, etc. My CPU is now idling under 65C, which is a big step up from when it was idling at 75-85C. However, I still have the same problem as before...it jumps up to 98C fairly fast under load and has to throttle down to keep from overheating. The cores still drop pretty darn low: I've seen anywhere from 800MHZ to 2.3GHZ.

I would say the overall performance is better than it was immediately following the burning incident, but right now still very worse than my PC was performing prior to any of this happening. I am thinking there is something wrong with the water cooling, but I have no idea how to check that. Once again, would appreciate any help!
 

srswan

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Interesting...do you think I should just get a whole new cooling system then? This was my first rig with water cooling, and to be honest I have never really been impressed by it.
 

USAFRet

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Well...I'm using a CM Hyper 212 Plus, and you can see what my temps are. I started Prime95 about an hour ago, and the max temp on the CPU is 66C.
Reading in here, I've not seen great results from the packaged liquid coolers over the better air coolers. With far less hassle.

But yours 'should' be doing better. Something is not quite right.
 
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srswan

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Compared to what I have seen on mine, those are pretty darn good numbers. I think I will check out that Hyper 212 Plus fan.

This issue is mostly solved, but just for fun, do you have any idea what could have been burning so strongly? I have still been searching around for damage and cannot find any.
 

csf60

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You will want to check the Xigmatek GAIA also, same cooling performance for 10$ less.
 

srswan

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Here's a little update on the situation (an epilogue if you will :p). If anything, I figure it may help someone in the future with a similar problem. Plus I am just so excited that my computer is back to working properly!

First, I narrowed the slightly-high CPU temperature problem down to the fact that my water cooler pump was no longer working. The only reason I discovered this is because I randomly thought of this possibility (I have seriously been thinking about every possibility, I just don't really know much about a lot of the in's and out's of all of the different components in a PC :p) and made sure to look for signs that the water was not moving. The entire system itself is very quiet and does not visually indicate that it is working or not working. I decided to rip out my water cooling system, assuming the pump was totally gone.

Anyways, once I drained and removed the whole water cooling system, I found that the water pump in my rig (it was a Swiftech mcp35x) had totally fried, and completely melted a portion of the bottom of its plastic frame. It even left burn marks in my chassis. The burned plastic on the bottom of the pump smells exactly like what I smelled when the initial incident occurred, so there's the answer to that question. I have no idea what caused the pump to fry itself; I am just assuming it wore itself out from being used for so much for almost two years.

Here are some pics because it's gnarly(click to enlarge):

The burn marks on my metal case


Notice the top left of the pump here is totally melted


USAFRet and csf60, I decided on a CM Hyper 212 Evo as a replacement, because my local Fry's electronics store had it in stock at the time, and they were only selling it for a few dollars more than the Hyper 212+. I think water cooling systems look cool as hell (that was a very large deciding factor for me initially), but like you said USAFRet, air towers are cheaper and much less hassle. My CPU temps are definitely back to normal: I would say under 30 C for normal use, like just running Chrome for example, and under 40 C when running games on ultra (even for multi-boxing). I ran Prime95 for about 10 minutes and the average temperature of all of the cores at max temp was about 57 C (while the CPU was re-overclocked to 4.4GHZ). Also, I don't know if this is normal for air vs. water coolers, but once I stopped the stress test on Prime95, the temps dropped back down to around 30 C in a matter of seconds! I would say I am very impressed by the Hyper 212 Evo, and air coolers in general.

Thanks again you two for answering my questions! I am very grateful to be up and running again.