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July 5, 2013 3:16:05 PM

I have done a lot of research on building computers, and I am ready to order one. But I can not keep the price under $3000. I would like to get it down to $2000 or less.

I will be doing work and browsing the web with it (i like to open a lot of tabs at once. But I also would like to get into PC gaming. I don't like violet games, mostly simulation, such as SimCity, Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, and Dirt 3.

I will be ordering parts from Amazon and Newegg. I have spent the past several hours taking screen shots of the shopping carts, editing them together, and adding comments in the pictures. Here are the images:

Newegg: http://s23.postimg.org/sl4ydjbaz/newegg_cart_with_comments.png

Amazon: http://s17.postimg.org/ob9mx097z/amazon_cart_with_comments.png

Remember I need to cut the price down a lot. Thanks for your help.

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July 5, 2013 3:51:10 PM

Okay, seems like a lot of that is from parts you need for your special installation requirements (closed cabinet, cats, unreliable power). However, I see a few places where you can trim costs:
1. 4670k instead of 4770k. I don't think your usage would benefit from the added hyperthreading.
2. 1600 ram instead of 2133 - intel cpus don't really benefit from speeds higher than 1600.
3. Get the 512 GB SSD by itself, or get a smaller SSD (say 128GB) to go with the HDD.
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July 5, 2013 4:07:53 PM

MauveCloud said:
Okay, seems like a lot of that is from parts you need for your special installation requirements (closed cabinet, cats, unreliable power). However, I see a few places where you can trim costs:
1. 4670k instead of 4770k. I don't think your usage would benefit from the added hyperthreading.
2. 1600 ram instead of 2133 - intel cpus don't really benefit from speeds higher than 1600.
3. Get the 512 GB SSD by itself, or get a smaller SSD (say 128GB) to go with the HDD.


1. Thanks
2. But future Intel CPUs will probably support more. Isn't it better to spend a little extra now since the price is similar? How long do you think it will be until Intel cpus benefit from 2133 ram?
3. Thanks

I also re-uploaded the images in higher resolution.
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July 5, 2013 4:41:31 PM

By the time intel cpus support faster ram, they'll probably be using a different socket and DDR4 slots, so getting 2133 memory now wouldn't help.
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July 5, 2013 7:45:54 PM

MauveCloud said:
By the time intel cpus support faster ram, they'll probably be using a different socket and DDR4 slots, so getting 2133 memory now wouldn't help.


Thank you. Is everything else in the carts compatible and will work well together? Any other recommended changes before I order?
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July 5, 2013 8:21:44 PM

Looks good, but you'll want to make sure the voltage of whatever ram you decide on is within range for the motherboard and cpu (I've seen some ram that requires 1.65v, which iirc makes it incompatible with Ivy/Haswell systems)
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July 6, 2013 6:14:30 PM

MauveCloud said:
Looks good, but you'll want to make sure the voltage of whatever ram you decide on is within range for the motherboard and cpu (I've seen some ram that requires 1.65v, which iirc makes it incompatible with Ivy/Haswell systems)


Thank you, I found the exact same memory in a 1600 version and it was only $20 cheaper. Do you really think it is worth it?

Also, I was planning on using the Antec 900 case. It is one of the top rated cases on Newegg. But it seems a little outdated like no one is buying it anymore. Should I not get it?

Also, do you think the 850 watt power supply is too much?
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July 6, 2013 8:07:39 PM

The image server for the pictures you originally posted is not getting through for me at the moment, so you might consider setting up a copy of the list on PCPartPicker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

As long as the voltage is supported, using 2133 ram won't hurt anything - ram can easily run at lower than its rated speed if necessary. A $20 savings by downgrading to 1600 speed probably isn't worthwhile. I think you had a Hyper 212 EVO in the list, so you'll also want to make sure the ram doesn't have tall heat spreaders - I can't remember whether the 2133 sticks you were considering did.

As far as the Antec 900, the dates on the NewEgg reviews indicate people are still buying it. I don't know if it's the best case for the price, but it has good airflow, a large side window and blue LED front fans, which you're probably going for, since as I recall, you also had some extra lighting items in your lists. I used an older version of that case myself a few years back, but the LED fans were a problem for me (since the PC was in my bedroom), and then I ruined it with a mistake while I was trying to set up water cooling.

850 watt power supply is more than you'd need for single-gpu setups, but will keep open the possibility of dual-gpu.
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July 7, 2013 8:08:06 AM

MauveCloud said:
The image server for the pictures you originally posted is not getting through for me at the moment, so you might consider setting up a copy of the list on PCPartPicker:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

As long as the voltage is supported, using 2133 ram won't hurt anything - ram can easily run at lower than its rated speed if necessary. A $20 savings by downgrading to 1600 speed probably isn't worthwhile. I think you had a Hyper 212 EVO in the list, so you'll also want to make sure the ram doesn't have tall heat spreaders - I can't remember whether the 2133 sticks you were considering did.

As far as the Antec 900, the dates on the NewEgg reviews indicate people are still buying it. I don't know if it's the best case for the price, but it has good airflow, a large side window and blue LED front fans, which you're probably going for, since as I recall, you also had some extra lighting items in your lists. I used an older version of that case myself a few years back, but the LED fans were a problem for me (since the PC was in my bedroom), and then I ruined it with a mistake while I was trying to set up water cooling.

850 watt power supply is more than you'd need for single-gpu setups, but will keep open the possibility of dual-gpu.



That's weird. Its working fine now. Could you try again please? :) 

But look at the "Filter Reviews" section (for the Antec 900):
  • Last 2 weeks: 7 reviews
  • Last 6 Months: 53 Reviews
  • All Time: 6,086 Reviews
    %0.00871 of the reviews are from the past 6 months.

    Are there any drawbacks of using a power supply that's way over sized? Lower efficiency?

    If I know I won't SLI, should I get a smaller one.
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    July 7, 2013 3:04:49 PM

    It still wasn't working for me this morning, but now it is. The Ripjaws RAM you chose does have heat spreaders that could interfere with the Hyper 212 EVO. I suggest looking for Corsair Vengeance Low Profile RAM instead, but if you insist on keeping the Ripjaws, you may need to mount the cpu cooler's fan on the opposite side in a pull configuration, or leave it slightly offset so that it's only blowing through the top 90% or less of the fins.

    For the Antec 900, I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of recent NewEgg reviews. Here are some good reasons to reject a case, roughly in descending order of significance, but I don't think any would apply to this case:
    1. Many customers have complained that the buttons or front panel ports fail on arrival or soon after.
    2. Many customers have complained about poor build quality, e.g. parts bending or falling off, or sharp edges.
    3. The components you want to use won't fit, and alternatives would cost too much either money or performance.
    4. The case doesn't have enough airflow
    5. You don't like the looks of the case.

    An oversized power supply would have somewhat lower efficiency, but not by much. You can save some money with a smaller one (as long as it's still good quality), or you can stick with the one you've got.
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    July 7, 2013 7:15:06 PM

    MauveCloud said:
    It still wasn't working for me this morning, but now it is. The Ripjaws RAM you chose does have heat spreaders that could interfere with the Hyper 212 EVO. I suggest looking for Corsair Vengeance Low Profile RAM instead, but if you insist on keeping the Ripjaws, you may need to mount the cpu cooler's fan on the opposite side in a pull configuration, or leave it slightly offset so that it's only blowing through the top 90% or less of the fins.

    For the Antec 900, I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of recent NewEgg reviews. Here are some good reasons to reject a case, roughly in descending order of significance, but I don't think any would apply to this case:
    1. Many customers have complained that the buttons or front panel ports fail on arrival or soon after.
    2. Many customers have complained about poor build quality, e.g. parts bending or falling off, or sharp edges.
    3. The components you want to use won't fit, and alternatives would cost too much either money or performance.
    4. The case doesn't have enough airflow
    5. You don't like the looks of the case.

    An oversized power supply would have somewhat lower efficiency, but not by much. You can save some money with a smaller one (as long as it's still good quality), or you can stick with the one you've got.


    So everything in the Amazon cart looks okay?

    Is there a better heat sink, or is the 212 EVO the very best?

    Thank you, I will get the case.

    I am not sure what to do about the power supply. How much load will my current system place on it at idle and full load?

    Thanks for your help.
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    July 7, 2013 8:20:00 PM

    It took me several tries to get the Amazon list, but I've saved them locally in case you need further help. I'm not familiar enough with extension cords and power adapters to give you advice on them. I already commented on your cpu and ssd/hdd choices. Personally, I'd go for cheaper keyboard and mouse options, but the ones you chose presumably have features that are important to you.
    As far as the wrist strap, some cautions:
    1. The 1-star review of it at amazon is from someone who actually checked it with an ohm-meter, which indicated the wires inside didn't actually connect between the alligator clip and the wrist metal. You might want to check that before using
    2. When unplugged, the case is not a true ground. It needs to be connected to an actual electrical ground, such as from an AC outlet to a mounted power supply (but the on/off switch of the power supply can be in the off position and still be grounded)
    3. The strap may actually end up getting in the way too much. I seem to recall that happening to me a few years ago. I don't bother using a wrist strap anymore. I just make sure I'm not wearing rubber-soled shoes (especially on carpet), and I usually try to touch a large metal object beforehand to discharge any static, and I haven't had problems with that.

    As far as the 212 EVO, it has a good price/performance ratio, but not quite the best performance - some dual tower coolers like the Noctua NH-D14 and the Thermalright Silver Arrow offer somewhat better performance at over twice the price of the evo, and higher probability of interfering with ram heat spreaders.

    If you want to get really crazy, there is a prototype triple-tower cpu cooler with 4 fans called the Alpenföhn Everest, but I don't think it has been released or benchmarked.

    Some expensive sealed-loop liquid coolers can give better cooling than the NH-D14, and getting into custom watercooling can get even more expensive (if you're interested in getting into liquid cooling, I suggest you read this sticky first: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-... )

    As far as the load on the power supply, I don't know of a site that calculates the idle load, but I normally use this calculator to figure out how much of a power supply I need:
    http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
    But at the moment, it's not connecting for me any better than that image server.
    If you put the parts into PCPartPicker, you can get an estimate of how much power it will need, though it probably won't include the power for things like those light sticks, that you'd have to add as custom. Speaking of which, why are you getting those if you're putting the computer in a cabinet? The LEDs would make more sense if you had the computer on display on your desk.
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