Migrate to Intel i7 (Haswell) or continue with AMD and get an 8350 (Vishera)?

Leprekaun

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Hi all. I've been doing some upgrades on my current system but I've reached a point now where I need to change my CPU. I've upgraded RAM from 4GB to 16GB, changed my gfx card from a 1GB Radeon HD 5850 to a 2GB GTX 670 but I'm starting to think that my GTX 670 can't really stretch it's legs with my current CPU (AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE (unable to overclock so running at stock 3.4Ghz due to RAM issues with the motherboard).

I've been thinking now for nearly a year now about whether I should spend the extra $$$ for an Intel setup. I read that Haswell isn't much of an improvement over Ivy, however, it's only £10 more from my online retailer so I don't mind spending that £10 for a marginally faster CPU. The big difference however is when you compare the cost of a Haswell i5 CPU (4670K) vs. the FX-8350 (Vishera) CPUs. The FX-8350 is £40 cheaper than the i5 4670K and their performance is comparable.

Also, regardless of which CPU I go for, I will have to change my motherboard to an AM3+ supported board or an Intel Socket 1150 board to support the i5/i7 Haswell CPU. That also comes down to an issue that Intel motherboards are more expensive than AMD-chipset boards. The difference here is another £20 so in total, I'd have to spend £60 more for an Intel setup over an AMD setup and that's if I go for an i5 setup, not i7. An i7 setup would cost £120 more than an AMD FX-8350 setup.

I'm primarily looking to upgrade for gaming and the general consensus is that Intel CPUs generally perform better in games than AMD CPUs (i.e.: Skyrim). I remember reading shocking differences between AMD and Intel in a Skyrim benchmark, the difference was like 20-30 FPS, using the same RAM and GPU. So that's why I'm considering migrating to Intel but I'm just having difficulty justifying the cost difference :(. So is the FX-8350 MUCH better than my Phenom II X4 965 and my GTX 670 will be able to perform at it's best or would an Intel setup blow it out of the water? Thanks.

P.S.: Not looking for AMD/Intel fanboys, looking for a solid unbiased opinion of the CPUs.

My build:

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (x64)
MB: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD Motherboard
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (@3.42Ghz)
GPU: 2GB Gigabyte GTX 670 OC Windforce 3X (running stock clocks)
RAM: 16GB DDR3 Corsair XMS3
PSU: Corsair TX650 650W
 
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I recently made the jump from a 965 be to an i7 3930k, and I can tell you hands down it is worth every single penny.

It doesn't even matter if you go to a 3770k or 4770k and not a 3930k. You will be very glad you spent the extra money. Unfortunately, AMD dekstop CPU's are quite a bit behind Intel, and the extra money you would spend is worth it.

I would recommend a z77 or z87 Sabertooth and couple that with a i7 3770k, or 4770k respectively. You will be glad you spend the extra 120!

Mat Rodriguez

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I recently made the jump from a 965 be to an i7 3930k, and I can tell you hands down it is worth every single penny.

It doesn't even matter if you go to a 3770k or 4770k and not a 3930k. You will be very glad you spent the extra money. Unfortunately, AMD dekstop CPU's are quite a bit behind Intel, and the extra money you would spend is worth it.

I would recommend a z77 or z87 Sabertooth and couple that with a i7 3770k, or 4770k respectively. You will be glad you spend the extra 120!
 
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spawnkiller

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i agree with Mat. jumping from a 8150 @ 4.8ghz (now my girlfriend use it) to an I7 3770k @ 4.83ghz and i see an enormous difference !!

in gaming, the 3770k (at 4.8ghz both of them) beat the 8150 by easily 20%+ paired with a 680 and the same drivers

In video rendering or photo editing OMG almost double the performance (rendering time lower by easily 50-75%) still OC at 4.8ghz both


After checking a friend's 3570k, the 8150 is about the same but it need 8 cores to equal 4 cores on the other side and the 3570k still beat the **** out of the 8150 at the same frequency (4.5ghz for both on this one) in video and photo editing... In gaming however, it was about the same, some games faster on the AMD, others on the Intel...

**Remember that the 8150 is the older bulldozer not the 8350 that have more cache and supposedly some tweaks to get better results

PC used : 3770k 4.83ghz, 2133mhz CL11 ram OC to 2240 CL10, MSI Z77a-G45, EVGA GTX680
FX-8150 4.5 and 4.8ghz, 2133mhz CL11 ram, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3, EVGA GTX680
3570k 4.5ghz, 1600CL9 ram, ASUS ASUS P8Z77-V LK, EVGA GTX680

games used: Metro 2033, Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, WOW, world of tanks, Hawken and Planetside 2 (from what i remember)

Video editing Corel Videostudio X5 and Photo editing on Paintshop Pro X4 and set to CPU rendering only (to not make wrong results using the 680)

PS: the AMD was faster than the 3570k when streaming with OBS or doing many things at at the same time of gaming (listening music, browsing youtube on a second screen, etc) but still not by much more than 10-20% (for the double of cores)

If you we're planning on 200$ cpus, i would say grab the 8350 vs the 3570k but if you can afford the 3770k or 4770k, go for it as it's better for the moment than any AMD cpus out now...

The AMD system still play all games and do all things really well tho
 

brisa117

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I'm a little torn by this dilemma myself. I did choose to upgrade from the Phenom II 955 (basically your CPU @ 3.2ghz). I chose to upgrade to the FX-8350 mainly because I did so incrementally. That is to say, I picked up an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX board (for the sata III, USB 3.0) and used my old processor until the FX-8350 came out (I held off on the FX-8150).

As you can see in my sig, I'm running a pair of HD7970's in crossfire, but even before when I only had one 7970, I was getting 70+ FPS in Skyrim maxed settings at 1920*1080.

Having said that, I am honestly happy with my system (and saved enough money in the process to snatch up an extra SSD for my laptop); however, I will more than likely choose Intel next time. I've been building AMD systems since 2003 and have put them in 3 different systems for myself, 2 for friends and 2 more for family, but when it comes down to people needing systems with maximum horsepower, I usually recommend an i5/i7 Intel system. I've build two of those for colleagues in the recent years.

The other advantage that I've seen with Intel systems is that they have PCIe 3.0 slots. From what I understand, this doesn't make a great amount of difference, but does make some and decreases "micro stuttering".

I guess what I'm saying in the long run is that you won't be disappointed or miss anything with Vishera, but if I was going to do it all at once, I would find the extra £120 and go for the i7 on a mid-high end board. Best of luck with whatever you choose!