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July 6, 2013 5:39:05 AM

Hey, in short way: Iam planning on buying a pc components that will be able to keep up with next gen games with full performance, for at least 3 years. Here are the details and components i have so far:


Approximate Purchase Date: August 2013
Budget Range: 1100euro ( without monitor ) - 1300 ( with monitor maybe )

System Usage from Most to Least Important: GAMING


Are you buying a monitor: Probably not, but if i was which i MIGHT be doing so, it would be " 27" BenQ GW2750HE " for 175 Euro

Motherboard: ASUS Z87-A --- OR ---- I might actually go for MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING ; seems alot better and has the OC genie. But adds 44 euro to the cost

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K ( i would like to overclock it also but cant say i have any experience with doing that, so i might just keep with turbo boost. )

CPU cooling: ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 ( Should fit properly, also should be just enough for cooling )

GPU: here i have certain dilemma
ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5
or
ASUS HD7970-DC2T-3GD5
(GTX 770 seems better from benchmarks, yet iam not completely sure)

RAM: Corsair 16GB KIT DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Black Vengeance ( probably those ones ? Iam not sure about RAM with all those vengeance editions and what are the differences and so, but simple idea: 16gb, DD3, fitting the motherboard )

- This is what i plan on buying, because i already have a case that should be big enough, 3HDDs (1TB, 0.5TB, 2TB) and 800W Corsair power supply

I also already have 2 monitors, one smaller LG and one "27 samsung, so if i was to buy a monitor it would be a replacement for the smaller LG.

Some additional info that ?might? help.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Alza.sk but since its in slovak it might be no use, but would be good if the components to buy were on that site.

Location: Kosice, Slovakia.

Parts Preferences: Probably Intel, i see them as a trustworthy brand and ive had some problems with AMD before, especially CPUs. I especially dont trust their 8core CPU for 188euro to be any good, or even better than quadcore i5..
As for graphics card, well nvidia seems nice for gaming but if you know about something better iam open minded there :) 
- and as for, "other" brands, i believe Asus is good. And for monitors i trust BenQ

Overclocking: Maybe, if ill learn how to do it properly..

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe. Depends, if there will be a better performance with 2 graphics cards or not of course , for the approximately same price. Also having 2 graphics card would allow me to have more than 2 monitors wouldn't it ?

Important thing i forgot about !!
SSD DISK - I've never had the experience with it, never used one. Heard its awesome and i might be willing to pay additional cost for it, but honestly iam not completely sure whats it good for and even how is it supossed to be used :D  So help me there a bit.

Please let me know what do you think about this and if you know about some better replacement for some components, keeping it with at most 1100 euro price.
Thx

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a b C Monitor
July 6, 2013 5:59:05 AM

Most things are fine, but there is always room for improvement :

CPU: Get the i5 4670K instead of the i7 4770K
GPU: Spend the saved money from the CPU in a better graphics card. Get a 780.
PSU : Yes 800W should be more than enough, but make sure it is atleast 80 plus gold or platinum certified as for the price you do not want to get anything less than that.
RAM : Yeah, 16GB is enough.

Some Information on SSD
SSD's are in extremely simple words a storage medium that is very much faster than the Hard Drives. It does not use any movable parts and hence has more life than the Hard Disks.

The pro's and cons of SSD's are :

Pro's
1. Very Much Faster
2. Significant PC Speed Improvements, it will make PC much faster.
3. Programs load near instantly and CPU intensive tasks benifit quite a bit.
4. Much faster PC boot up.
5. Snappy overall interface.

Cons
1. Much Costly, for 90 dollars where you can get a 2TB Hard Disk at the same price you can only get a 120GB SSD.
2. Does not improve gaming performance much. Just improves game loading times (loading new levels, etc) . But nothing that you need for gaming.

That being said, getting a SSD is a very good upgrade. It speeds up almost everything other than gaming. If you are building a next gen PC then please add a SSD to it. You do not want to be having a next gen PC without a SSD.

If you feel that this answer helped you then don't forget to select it as the best answer, the forum members would appreciate it. :) 
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July 6, 2013 6:04:00 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
Most things are fine, but there is always room for improvement :

CPU: Get the i5 4670K instead of the i7 4770K
GPU: Spend the saved money from the CPU in a better graphics card. Get a 780.
PSU : Yes 800W should be more than enough, but make sure it is atleast 80 plus gold or platinum certified as for the price you do not want to get anything less than that.
RAM : Yeah, 16GB is enough.

Some Information on SSD
SSD's are in extremely simple words a storage medium that is very much faster than the Hard Drives. It does not use any movable parts and hence has more life than the Hard Disks.

The pro's and cons of SSD's are :

Pro's
1. Very Much Faster
2. Significant PC Speed Improvements, it will make PC much faster.
3. Programs load near instantly and CPU intensive tasks benifit quite a bit.
4. Much faster PC boot up.
5. Snappy overall interface.

Cons
1. Much Costly, for 90 dollars where you can get a 2TB Hard Disk at the same price you can only get a 120GB SSD.
2. Does not improve gaming performance much. Just improves game loading times (loading new levels, etc) . But nothing that you need for gaming.

That being said, getting a SSD is a very good upgrade. It speeds up almost everything other than gaming. If you are building a next gen PC then please add a SSD to it. You do not want to be having a next gen PC without a SSD.

If you feel that this answer helped you then don't forget to select it as the best answer, the forum members would appreciate it. :) 


Thx, but please tell me the difference and reason for i5-4670K instead of the i7-4770K ; ive seen for example originPC recommending the i5-4670K over the i7, but i dont see why ?

Also on benchmarks i7-4770K seems to have 20% more performance.

And - The motherboard ASUS Z87-A doesnt seem to have OC genie in it, which overclocks CPU automatically, is it worth trying to look for one that does have it ? I have it right now in MS-7681 with i5-2500K CPU and it seems to be awesome.
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a b C Monitor
July 6, 2013 6:11:15 AM

for CPU, go with the 4670K, the 4770 offers no advantage in gaming, also if u don't wanna overclock get the non K version and an H87 board, for RAM, get as low a CL as u can get, and make sure the speed is 1600 MHz, for GPU i would choose the 770 over the 7970, the Gigabyte version is slightly cheaper and has a higher clock, if u wanna use dual GPUs do not go AMD cuz there are some driver issues with it and rather than buying 3 HDDs get a single one, 3TB or so and get a 120GB SSD from Intel or Samsung, also ur PSU is good and will allow u to add another 770 in SLI in the future, and just to clarify that in SLI only the outputs on one card will work
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July 6, 2013 6:28:31 AM

jinayhvora said:
for CPU, go with the 4670K, the 4770 offers no advantage in gaming, also if u don't wanna overclock get the non K version and an H87 board, for RAM, get as low a CL as u can get, and make sure the speed is 1600 MHz, for GPU i would choose the 770 over the 7970, the Gigabyte version is slightly cheaper and has a higher clock, if u wanna use dual GPUs do not go AMD cuz there are some driver issues with it and rather than buying 3 HDDs get a single one, 3TB or so and get a 120GB SSD from Intel or Samsung, also ur PSU is good and will allow u to add another 770 in SLI in the future, and just to clarify that in SLI only the outputs on one card will work


Ok, CPU i5-4670K it probably is then, thx. I cant say i dont want to overclock, i just dont really know how to properly...yet... So i might actually go with the overclocking sooner or later. For board i just noticed the MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING ; and i might get that seems to be better with overclocking in itself.
For RAMs: Whats CL ? And as iam looking at the other ones, this one actually has lowest CL available, lucky me.. :D 
HDDs - i ALREADY have those 3HDDs on this PC i have right now thats what i mean by it, and yeah i got convinced to surely get SSD.
And thx for the inputs info for SLI.
Also since i might actually have a bit more money thx to cheaper CPU, i might be able to get the GTX780, so its worth it then ?
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July 6, 2013 8:38:11 AM

So i guess your build plan is complete. So i just made a list for confirming the parts. Ignore the price. It is according to the US. The price may vary in your country.

So, so far we have planned on these parts. Is this the thing what you needed? If not then please mention what else do you need to change

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($96.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($648.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1505.90
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July 6, 2013 9:09:27 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
So i guess your build plan is complete. So i just made a list for confirming the parts. Ignore the price. It is according to the US. The price may vary in your country.

So, so far we have planned on these parts. Is this the thing what you needed? If not then please mention what else do you need to change

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($118.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($96.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($114.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($648.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1505.90


CPU: i5-4670K ( 179.08 @ Alza.sk )
CPU Cooler ARCTIC Freezer Xtreme Rev.2 (26.46 @ Alza.sk)
Motherboard MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING ( 146.23 @ Alza.sk )
Memory Corsair 16GB KIT DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Black Vengeance ( 114.04 @ Alza.sk )
Storage SSD Samsung SSD840 120GB 7mm, Basic ( 75.12 @ Alza.sk ) OR Intel 320 120GB SSD ( 149.50 @ Alza.sk ) <<------ HELP
(price differences are huge and iam not sure which one is better to buy, samsung one seems to be even alot faster when it takes to reading, and writing is the same.. probably samsung ?
Video Card ASUS GTX780-3GD5 ( 517.31 @ Alza.sk ) OR EVGA GeForce GTX780 Superclocked ACX ( 542.04 @ Alza.sk )<<------HELP
(ASUS classic has some kind of so called " Asus GPU Boost " which should overclock the graphics whenever needed, but has not so good cooling, on the other hand EVGA superclocked, is well, already overclocked probably to its safe maximum and seems to have alot better cooling, not sure which one is better
Total - 1082.97 Euro ( With SAMSUNG SSD and EVGA superclocked GPU )
- I dont need thankfully Power Supply, neither Optical Drive or HDD.

Now if all this is compatible and well, i think its all :) 

PS: Sorry i couldnt use links from that side as well, but i couldnt find some parts there and just all got too messy.
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a b C Monitor
July 6, 2013 9:30:19 AM

SSD : Go for the Samsung One, no problem at all. Samsung 840 are known to be good SSD's . Go for them blindly.
Video Card : The EVGA one would perform good, no doubt you can see the 780 overclocked results here at http://www.anandtech.com/show/6980/nvidia-geforce-gtx-7... so better put the 30 bucks extra on the EVGA Superclocked version, as it would be better. For 30 bucks extra you get quite a lot performance boost.

Update LOL, this is false advertising by ASUS. Every 780 has the ability to boost it's clock speed itself when needed, this is actually called "Nvidia GPU Boost". So, just get the one with better cooler which you can manually overclock later if needed.
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July 6, 2013 9:33:20 AM

Ookay thank you very much then :)  Its done then, the build is done ! Now just to order it soon. Thx again, i think you deserved the best answer thing long time ago already ! :) 
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July 6, 2013 9:39:07 AM

Supaplex said:
Ookay thank you very much then :)  Its done then, the build is done ! Now just to order it soon. Thx again, i think you deserved the best answer thing long time ago already ! :) 


I am a hard worker!! :D 

Just kidding :D , actually it is my hobby to be here answering people's questions about hardware, I just need a place to spread out the knowledge that i have. It is fun to be here helping out guys like you.

Have fun!! You are getting an awesome build. I wish i could have the money to get something like that. But when i will grow up, i am sure i will have the money then. :D 
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