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July 7, 2013 3:24:02 AM

Ok, I'm building my friend a PC, but he only has £350, so I've had to be very strict on what parts I'm getting, I've had to follow this criteria;

*Overclockable (GPU,CPU,RAM)
*Still looks good
*Good for gaming

Here are the parts;

*Cooler Master Elite 430
*AMD Athlon X2 370K
*XFX Core Edition Radeon HD 7770
*Corsair Memory 4GB DDR3 1333 Mhz CAS 9
*MSI FM2-A55M-E33
*Powercool PSUPC450AUBAM 450W
*Samsung/Seagate ST500LM012 Spinpoint M8
*Aerocool F4XT Adjustable Fan Controller
*18x Black DVD-Rom from Samsung SH-118AB/BEBE
* 3 Cooler Master Sickle FLow Blue LED fan's

Originally I got the idea from Jackfrags Build your own STEAMBOX , and adapted it. How good will this play games?

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July 7, 2013 3:30:19 AM

Personaly i always wonder why you guys get so low ram. This is like the cheapes element that actually help. I mean 8-16GB ram wont cost too much with that speed you picked.
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July 7, 2013 3:32:44 AM

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Personaly i always wonder why you guys get so low ram. This is like the cheapes element that actually help. I mean 8-16GB ram wont cost too much with that speed you picked.


Ram isn't too important. Few games use 4gb, even then they can cope with 2gb. As I said, I had to be very strict with how much I was spending, and I'll overclock the ram.
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July 7, 2013 3:38:39 AM

If you can fit it into the budget, upgrade the CPU to X4 750K, many games utilize 4 cores now and that would help a lot.
7770 is a viable gaming card should be able to do 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 with decent settings.

4GB memory works out fine and if you must do that, but 8 GB would be better, of course it is also easy to add more later for a low price so it's not as big of a deal.
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July 7, 2013 3:40:49 AM

Hii
nice build my friend but don't go with xfx gpu it's quality is not good as asus, gigabyte, evga, or msi. Go with which i listed for best performance, stability & reliability.
Also go with better psu brand like corsair , sesonic or xfx. These are on top manufacturers of psu. Go with these for same reason as gpu.
Make these changes if ur budget allows.
I hope it helps.
Thank you.
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July 7, 2013 3:41:38 AM

PCPartPicker part list
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£58.50 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A85XM-D3H Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£55.62 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£24.13 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£84.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (£47.95 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£34.99 @ Maplin Electronics)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £358.33

This would be much better. He'll need to save an extra £30 £8, but it's worth it.

Do not get a dual-core CPU for a gaming PC, as it'll be almost useless.

EDIT: Changed the RAM to better fit your budget.
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July 7, 2013 3:45:14 AM

You're right that 4GB RAM will be ample, though what really will make a difference is using 2x 2GB sticks instead of a single 4GB. Without a stick on each DDR channel, you won't benefit from the bandwidth of dual-channel memory architecture.
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July 7, 2013 3:46:52 AM

My friend prefers to stick with one website, but perhaps I can convince him to order from multiple websites. I'd rather not spend too much money on a PSU, I have used powercool in all of my PC builds and have found them to be very reliable (not as single one has gone wrong). Alot of people keep saying that I need to upgrade so and so, which I'm considering but the budget is too tight.
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July 7, 2013 3:48:24 AM

The PSU is arguably the most important part of the computer.

It should definitely not be a part that you try to cut corners on.

Besides, the XFX PSU I included in the list is very high quality, but reasonably priced.
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July 7, 2013 3:56:46 AM

How about this?

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5rb
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5rb/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5rb/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£58.50 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Biostar A55ML2 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£34.82 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.19 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£95.72 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Powercool 450w modular PSU (£34.99)
Other: Aerocool F4XT Adjustable Fan Controller (£14.15)
Total: £350.47
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-07 11:56 BST+0100)
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July 7, 2013 3:59:13 AM

I wouldn't touch Biostar motherboards with a bargepole.
Additionally, and I mean no offence, Powercool PSUs are nowhere near as high quality as XFX.
If you wish to build that, then that's fine, but I promise you that the list I provided is a better option.
The Corsair 200R comes with 2 fans (maybe 3, I can't remember), so you wouldn't have to buy all those LEPA fans.
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July 7, 2013 4:00:49 AM

JRAtk94 said:
PCPartPicker part list
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£58.50 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A85XM-D3H Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£55.62 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£24.13 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.00 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£84.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (£47.95 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£34.99 @ Maplin Electronics)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £358.33

This would be much better. He'll need to save an extra £30 £8, but it's worth it.

Do not get a dual-core CPU for a gaming PC, as it'll be almost useless.

EDIT: Changed the RAM to better fit your budget.


+1
It is really better.
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July 7, 2013 4:02:44 AM

Noted, swapped out the Biostar MOBO for a MSI FM2-A55M-E33. I would like to stick with the powercool PSU. And the case you suggested, doesn't fit one of my criteria, it has to look good, well what I mean by that is a side window.
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July 7, 2013 4:03:11 AM

When I assembled my setup three years ago I wasn't sure about XFX either but they're actually re-badged Seasonic units. Seasonic are the absolute undisputed leader in consumer PSU manufacture - it simply doesn't get any better. I've never used a Biostar board so can't say they're bad, but with MSI or Gigabyte you know you've bought quality.
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July 7, 2013 4:05:07 AM

You're using A55 chipset motherboards. They are no good.

You need an A85X chipset motherboard, such as the one that I included earlier.

If you really want to stick with the Powercool, then so be it. I urge you not to though.

And fair enough on the case.

EDIT: As sam_p_lay said, XFX PSUs are of paramount quality, due to the manufacture by Seasonic.
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July 7, 2013 4:05:08 AM

Hmm, I suppose I could go for a stock 7770, and overclock it, and go for a better PSU.
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July 7, 2013 4:07:29 AM

You could buy the Sapphire 7770ghz edition that I included earlier. It's £10 cheaper than the Gigabyte version. Sapphire are generally considered to be the leader in AMD cards as well, so you're buying quality.

Gigabyte are still good, but to pay a premium of £10 over a Sapphire card doesn't make sense, especially on a budget such as this.

Also, if you want to overclock the CPU, you will need to get an A85X chipset board. As I mentioned earlier, the A55 chipset isn't sufficient for any beneficial overclocking and misses several features of the A85X chipset.
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July 7, 2013 4:13:27 AM

10 GPB more get you a system with better CPU, better motherboard, easier to upgrade later ( athlon ii 750k uses FM2, which is a dead socket if you want to upgrade CPU later on ), bigger ( 1TB ) HDD, better VGA that can hit performance level of a hd7850 after OC-ing, all suited in a neat chassis with cable management features + sickle flow fans pre-installed and a solid XFX ( Seasonic made ) PSU. And with the Hyper 212 EVO added, your friend can OC right out of the box!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£63.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.62 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£38.54 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£16.47 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£45.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card (£92.50 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Cooler Master NSE-200-KKN1 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£33.24 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£34.99 @ Maplin Electronics)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £361.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-07 12:11 BST+0100)
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July 7, 2013 4:14:33 AM

Ok, taking into account what you have said, how about this?

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5wX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5wX/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1e5wX/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£58.50 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A85XM-HD3 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard (£53.60 @ Dabs)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 2GB (1 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£8.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£43.19 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (£84.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case (£35.00 @ Ebuyer)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case Fan: LEPA LPCP12N-BL 40.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£0.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£34.99 @ Maplin Electronics)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Other: Computer CPU Fan Speed ??Controller (£6.57)
Total: £350.94
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-07 12:14 BST+0100)
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July 7, 2013 4:15:56 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
10 GPB more get you a system with better CPU, better motherboard, easier to upgrade later ( athlon ii 750k uses FM2, which is a dead socket if you want to upgrade CPU later on ), better VGA that can hit performance level of a hd7850 after OC-ing, all suited in a neat chassis with cable management features + sickle flow fans pre-installed and a solid XFX ( Seasonic made ) PSU. And with the Hyper 212 EVO added, your friend can OC right out of the box!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£63.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£23.62 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£38.54 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£16.47 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£45.59 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card (£92.50 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Cooler Master NSE-200-KKN1 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£33.24 @ Dabs)
Power Supply: XFX 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£34.99 @ Maplin Electronics)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£13.15 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £361.69
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-07 12:11 BST+0100)


+1 on this, seriously.
OP, if you don't take this guy's advice, you will not be getting the best possible PC.
Please listen to the people who know best. We are trying to get the best deal for your money, but you're playing a very difficult game with us.
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July 7, 2013 4:17:15 AM

Didn't see that.
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July 7, 2013 4:19:25 AM

Not entirely sure about am3/am3+ but they're compatible right?
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July 7, 2013 4:20:18 AM

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Not entirely sure about am3/am3+ but they're compatible right?


An AM3 CPU can go into an AM3+ motherboard, yes.
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July 7, 2013 4:32:58 AM

Yes, you can put up to a FX8350 on Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3.
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July 7, 2013 4:38:09 AM

Thank you! You've all been great. Sorry I've been hard to work with, but I really hoped my friend had a larger budget. I changed it a little (only the case and fans), but all in all I think my friend should be happy. Does anyone know how well it will perform, I've got an idea but nothing solid?
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July 7, 2013 4:41:19 AM

Are you going with madn3ss' design? Good choice.

It should run most games on "very high" settings at 1080p resolution at at least 30fps.

Games like Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3 will probably play on "medium" or "high" settings.
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July 7, 2013 4:43:21 AM

Pretty much all games will be playable in 1080p with good settings after OC-ing. And thanks, JRAtk94 :) 
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July 7, 2013 4:45:14 AM

Madn3ss795 said:
Pretty much all games will be playable in 1080p with good settings after OC-ing. And thanks, JRAtk94 :) 


Anytime! :p  I've seen your designs around the forum before, and they're always immaculate. :lol: 
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July 7, 2013 4:45:40 AM

JRAtk94 said:
Are you going with madn3ss' design? Good choice.

It should run most games on "very high" settings at 1080p resolution at at least 30fps.

Games like Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3 will probably play on "medium" or "high" settings.

I am indeed. Now all I have to do is build it. Should be fun.
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July 7, 2013 4:46:27 AM

Aiye. Well, good luck to you. I hope your friend is pleased :) 
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