Looking To Upgrade My Graphic Card

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tharan006

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sup guys,
so im looking to upgrade my graphic card. I been looking around and doing some research but needing some more help here.
I'm trying to run games on my computer like
Star Wars : Force Unleased 1 and 2
Crysis 1

so far just those games in mind.

now my computer is pretty much:

motherboard :
Chipset: AMD 785G
Memory sockets: 4 x DDR3
Processor socket: AM3

Expansion Slots

1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card

3 PCI Express x1 slots

1 PCI Express x1 minicard slot

My processor is AMD Phenom II X2 521 - TDP is 65w and max upgrade is 95w
My computer has Integrated graphics using ATI Radeon 4200
can support pci express x 16 cards

oh ye most importantly my power supply is 250w

further specifications of my computer is here:
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02863024&prodSeriesId=5080733

So i need an upgrade but i want to know which graphic cards i can get.
I looked around and found this one to be the only fit:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1818657&CatId=2306

Is this really the only one i can get or what other cards are there. Looking to upgrade the processor and to have pci express 3.0 x16 slot expansion

 
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TDP's(Thermal Design Power) are not related, its the max thermal heat output that a single component may use, your current CPU has a max TDP of 65Watt(it needs to output 65 Watts of heat through the heatsink to stay cool), a 7790 has a max TDP of 85W. It can pull up to 75 Watts from the PCI-e gen slot from the motherboard, and the 6pin PSU power supply cable can supply up to 75W's from the PSU, Between the two you will never draw more than 85 Watts. Yes, get a 7790, if you still feel you need more performance, then get a new PSU and a new CPU.
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It depends if your Power Supply Unit has the 6 pin (or 8 pin, far less likely on that system) supplementary power connections for dedicated graphics cards.

If it doesn't then you are limited to graphics cards that run using the 55 watts (or 65 watts for PCIe v1.1) of the PCI Express x16 slot alone. (Which is a HD7750, or a modified HD7770 with power limits placed on the card by the ATI CCC driver panel).

You could also just upgrade your PSU (530 watts minimum for most gaming PC's is recommended, if only for peak load and the amperage/current it can deliver to a single graphics card at peak times).

The HD7750 might be around 75% faster, depending upon the workload:
- http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7750-vs-Radeon-HD-6570
- http://www.hwcompare.com/11735/radeon-hd-6570-oem-2gb-vs-radeon-hd-7750/

GPU Boss is an excellent comparison website, as it writes up a mini report comparing any two modern GPU's.
Both sites should have 'specs at a glance'.

Some early PCI Express v1.1 motherboards might not pump 65 watts to the PCIe x16 slot.
Running a PCI Express x16 slot (on a v1.0) motherboard at 55 watts (it's peak from memory) also might not be stable.


As you listed your motherboards chipset and basic specs, instead of it's model number I cannot look up more complete specs. (MSINFO32 may help in this respect).

Update: The AMD 785G chipset does support PCI Express® Generation 2.0, so it should put at least 'up to' 65 watts to the PCI Express x16 slot alone, excluding any 6 or 8 pin supplementary power connectors available (or not) on the Power Supply Unit.

Most of these systems are geared towards low power usage 'home office' use with light 3D, so it is doubtful that its PSU has the extra connections (even if it did, hypothetically, have enough power to run a better card).

It doesn't hurt to look though.
 
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Bad choice of card there and way overprioced, do not get that overpriced 6570, at a minimum get a 7750. Your computer can support full height graphics cards so no need to get a half height card which are generally more expensive and worse at expending heat.

I recommend a 7750 with GDDR5 so you will get better performance, it does not require external power. Max TDP with GDDR5 is 75 Watts, with DDR3 it is 55 Watts, about the same as the 6570. Depending on the power available on the 12 V rail you may be able to step up to the 7790 which only takes 85 Watts max power. If you have the cash though, you would be better served by buying a cheap $35($25 AR) 400W+ 80's PSU. Then you have plenty of power to grab a bigger card, but then your CPU will start to be a bigger bottle-neck. Anything is going to be a step up though, you may try and see if you can't find an old GPU going on Craiglist, Any Radeon 5550+ or 6570+ will feel like a whole new machine.
 
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so the graphic card 7750 or the 7790 is a good buy for my pc?
can the put an amd phenom II x4 960T? will that help in anyway with the making everything smooth?
i found cheaper psu with more watts. the psu is not the problem
im a bit confused with the graphic cards.
i can get any pci express x16 graphic cards? or the one you recommended is the abosolute one i shud get for my machine
will tat allow me to play the games i want like crysis in max graphics and star wars force unleashed?

 
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my power supply has 6 pins. if i get the power supply upto 500w. and get the Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16

i can play the games i want ryt? but wouldnt i have to change my processor too?
also i thought my pc cant handle pci express 3.0...and when looking for a graphic card...what shud i look for? to get the best i can possibly get for this machine?

an amateur here lol trynna see what i can learn. if you guys can give me more info it be greatful thnks.


 
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Because your psu already has a 6-pin, get the 7790. When you are ready to upgrade to a new CPU, get the 960T or even an Athlon II X4, and upgrade the PSU then, its better to have a little extra Power and the PSU will be of superior Quality to the OEM one currently in your HP.
 
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So ryt now i shud get the 7790 for my current processor ryt?
but the tdp is 65..how do i upgrade my tdp so that i can use this card?
psu i shud upgrade that and i will be fine as well?


 
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TDP's(Thermal Design Power) are not related, its the max thermal heat output that a single component may use, your current CPU has a max TDP of 65Watt(it needs to output 65 Watts of heat through the heatsink to stay cool), a 7790 has a max TDP of 85W. It can pull up to 75 Watts from the PCI-e gen slot from the motherboard, and the 6pin PSU power supply cable can supply up to 75W's from the PSU, Between the two you will never draw more than 85 Watts. Yes, get a 7790, if you still feel you need more performance, then get a new PSU and a new CPU.
 
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cyrus is right on.


but if you wanted to really game i think the below may be possible

however, I would never go beyond what the specs of your HP support document say(your bios may not supprt it, ask many a new CPU buyers who find out without a bios update you cannot use that CPU). according to the link you provided the best CPU you can get is this; AMD Phenom II X6 10xxT Six-Core (Thuban core) below is a review that states that this is equal to an intel i7 920
review:
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=508&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=6

so I do not feel like finding specific evidence since it may not come easily as to what the above CPU will be limited at but here is a good forum:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1695507

So with that info and a true belief that at 1080p you will be fine(an i5 2500k can run a quad sli titan grouping) I would think you can top out at a gtx 760. even there you may be CPU limited but only in certain games and since this is a six core chip i think it would actually give you more longevity.


so here is a deal?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1090T-3-2-GHz-Six-Core-Black-/271235639646?pt=CPUs&hash=item3f26e7695e

so this would be 165 for the chip and 250 for a gtx 760. this would put you at very high settings and 60 fps for any game out there.

otherwise I say start over. the 1333 ram will not hurt you to much. you would be very close to maxing out that GPU even with 1333 ram.
 
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So you do need a new power supply with my above post.

two inexpensive power supplies:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-139-050 $40
the above is cutting it close but it has 40 amps on the 12v rail

also
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-139-005 $60
this has 50 amps on the 12v rail and would be more than enough.

I do want to add that you could go less on the GPu but the lowest I would reccomend is a gtx 650ti boost:
this is the cheapest example
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162132 $130


the above is only if you want more than what cyrusfox recommended.
 
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tharan006

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all awesome stuff..i will keep in mind what you have said. for now i will keep it basic with what the other person told me.
your solution can be on my christmas list lol..thnks
thnks guys..this was really helpful..i learned alot styll
 
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