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July 8, 2013 8:41:14 PM

Hi, i have absolutely zero knowledge about RAM and how to chose it, and how much is needed. I plan to create this setup and have no clue what to put on it for ram.

Question: What ram (brand) and how much of it, should i buy so that this setup is utilized effectively. I plan on mostly just game with it, nothing too extreme, as i'm fine with mid to high level graphics. If someone can link a guide on what RAM is and how it works, and what is needed for what kind of CPU ( im assuming it depends on cpu) i would be very grateful.

setup ( links updated):

MOBO: Extreme3 Z77
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CPU: i5-3570k
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU: Cooler Master 600W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

2 cheap ish fans. + the 2 stock fans on the case.

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July 8, 2013 8:57:47 PM

Your links do not work.

Anyway. DO NOT GET COOLERMASTER PSUs, they are mostly dodgy.

For an Ivy CPU 1.5volt, 1600MHz RAM is what you should be getting. Something like this : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

What graphics card are you looking at?
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July 8, 2013 8:59:25 PM

grummor said:
Hi, i have absolutely zero knowledge about RAM and how to chose it, and how much is needed. I plan to create this setup and have no clue what to put on it for ram.

Question: What ram (brand) and how much of it, should i buy so that this setup is utilized effectively. I plan on mostly just game with it, nothing too extreme, as i'm fine with mid to high level graphics. If someone can link a guide on what RAM is and how it works, and what is needed for what kind of CPU ( im assuming it depends on cpu) i would be very grateful.

setup:

MOBO: Extreme3 Z77
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

CPU: i5-3570k
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU: Cooler Master 600W
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

2 cheap ish fans. + the 2 stock fans on the case.

8GB will should be the amount of memory that you need to be looking at. With 8GB you can not only run almost all games but also all other applications too. I'd recommend 2 x 4GB. Brand - You can go with any of them in the following order: GSkill, Corsair, Kingston, Patriot, Crucial etc. You can go with any of the below speeds - DDR3-1600MHz CL7 or 1866MHz CL8 or 2133MHz CL9.

For a good read check this article - http://www.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

If you need value ram then check Kingston.com, crucial.com or memorystock.

Good luck with the upgrade. :sourire: 
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July 8, 2013 9:03:22 PM

For DRAM and what you have listed, I'd suggest 8GB in a 2x4GB set, think I'd look to 1866/CL8 or 9, as a starting point, could drop to 1600 which is entry level, if so look for a set in CL7 or CL8...At 1866/9 I'd look at the GSkill Snipers $68

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Excellent with IB and OC well, haven't had a set yet that couldn't run 2133 if so inclined
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July 8, 2013 9:18:35 PM

Tradesman1 said:
For DRAM and what you have listed, I'd suggest 8GB in a 2x4GB set, think I'd look to 1866/CL8 or 9, as a starting point, could drop to 1600 which is entry level, if so look for a set in CL7 or CL8...At 1866/9 I'd look at the GSkill Snipers $68

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Excellent with IB and OC well, haven't had a set yet that couldn't run 2133 if so inclined


Not being snide or anything. What timings did you end on to get to 2133MHz?
I have always like G.Skill, they just are not easily available in SA.
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July 8, 2013 9:28:34 PM

With that set actually a couple of ways, one is straight step up freq to 2133 and timings to 10-11-10-28 and may need to go 1.53/4 (with this, can also try dropping CR to 1T by adding a little to the MC (CPUVTT) voltage about 1.12....the other is more fun and performance friendly 2133 and 9-11-10-29, with DRAM at 1.55 and MC to 1.14 or so, not always but 1 or the other should work, some will depend on the CPU may have to play a bit voltage wise
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July 8, 2013 9:34:53 PM

Tradesman1 said:
With that set actually a couple of ways, one is straight step up freq to 2133 and timings to 10-11-10-28 and may need to go 1.53/4 (with this, can also try dropping CR to 1T by adding a little to the MC (CPUVTT) voltage about 1.12....the other is more fun and performance friendly 2133 and 9-11-10-29, with DRAM at 1.55 and MC to 1.14 or so, not always but 1 or the other should work, some will depend on the CPU may have to play a bit voltage wise


Well damn, that's pretty damn impressive for a 60$ kit... 1.55v is way comfortable on Ivy/HW too. Anything above that and Ivy's MC runs a risk of dying on you.
Now I want it... Damn you. :D 
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July 8, 2013 9:47:40 PM

Nay, Nay...you have more headroom than that....1866 I try and limit to 1.6, 2133 and up 1.65 on DRAM...but want to balance it out with vCore and MC voltage, IB MC voltage is safe for most up to about 1.2 (try and keep MC and DRAM with 0.6 of each other), I've got 32GB of 2400/10 at 1.65 (spec voltage) running 24/7 with the CPU (3570K) at 4.7 on my Rock Z77 EX4 .....
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July 8, 2013 9:50:19 PM

Novuake said:
Your links do not work.

Anyway. DO NOT GET COOLERMASTER PSUs, they are mostly dodgy.

For an Ivy CPU 1.5volt, 1600MHz RAM is what you should be getting. Something like this : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

What graphics card are you looking at?


links updated
I have a gt 240 right now, but the upgrade in a few months or so will be probably a 770.

As for PSU's, was reading some questions by people and an expert on PSU's listed cooler master as a good brand, among 4-5 others, can't find his post to link it for ya.

@ legohouse
what would be the main difference between brands ? longer lifetime, lesser chance of malfunction or something else ?

EDIT: i think i'm gonna go and read stuff up on ram until i can understand the discussion you guys are having about the "2133" number :) 
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July 8, 2013 9:55:08 PM

I don't know what expert this is, but he's wrong. The extreme CMs only deliver 75% of their rated wattage.
Use the below, tier 1 and 2 is what I suggest, tier 3 is usable and not too bad.
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
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July 8, 2013 9:58:48 PM

Ah yes, there are many 'experts' out here, a few have even built a computer or two ;) 
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July 8, 2013 10:01:29 PM

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@ legohouse
what would be the main difference between brands ? longer lifetime, lesser chance of malfunction or something else ?

Obviously, Brand is a difference. :lol:  (ignore my stupid joke). Yes, all the above and you can trust these brands as they are the ones who constantly keep advancing their tech to suit the current advancement made in other areas. I prefer it in that order but everybody has their own set of selections but they are almost identical in many ways.
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July 8, 2013 10:24:07 PM

Novuake said:
I don't know what expert this is, but he's wrong. The extreme CMs only deliver 75% of their rated wattage.
Use the below, tier 1 and 2 is what I suggest, tier 3 is usable and not too bad.
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx


thank you for the explanation, yes i have looked up what it takes to get an expert just now, it explains a lot. ty for the link i saved it.
I will, however, award the best answer to legohouse because he gave a suggestion on both how much ram and the preferred brands.

Thanks to both tradesman1 and novuake for the interesting discussion and the suggestions, they were most insightful.

@ tradesman1
i will most definitely update my threads related to this build to share my experience, once i get it to work (hopefully i'll get to that part haha) i doubt i'll be able to provide more insight than that it works and nothing has exploded, but i'll try and read up on stress tests for the amusement of the people:) 
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July 8, 2013 10:40:07 PM

If thinking explosion , may want to video tape the first power on...could put it on YouTube ;) 
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July 8, 2013 10:51:58 PM

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If thinking explosion , may want to video tape the first power on...could put it on YouTube ;) 


oh snap. maybe ill get enough views for a new and better one :)  might do it with the scraps of computer i have left.
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July 8, 2013 11:15:58 PM

Always planning ahead, ha ha! ;) 
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July 8, 2013 11:17:28 PM

Novuake said:
Tradesman1 said:
For DRAM and what you have listed, I'd suggest 8GB in a 2x4GB set, think I'd look to 1866/CL8 or 9, as a starting point, could drop to 1600 which is entry level, if so look for a set in CL7 or CL8...At 1866/9 I'd look at the GSkill Snipers $68

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Excellent with IB and OC well, haven't had a set yet that couldn't run 2133 if so inclined


Not being snide or anything. What timings did you end on to get to 2133MHz?
I have always like G.Skill, they just are not easily available in SA.

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where abouts? country wise anyway?
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July 8, 2013 11:21:50 PM

Tradesman1 said:

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where abouts? country wise anyway?


SA - South Africa.
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July 9, 2013 3:33:37 PM

Sorry not back sooner, but can try the GSkill home page there, www.gskill.com last night, appeared to be down and still is now, they may be making more upgrades, but they have a where to buy section, and want to say there are some spots in South Africa, don't remember for sure, but think there is/was a place in Cape town and another in Johanesberg ((?) doesn't look right) that either carried or would special order GSkill, helped the guy w/ some Gskill DRAM and we had a chat about, think it was Castle Lager and some smaller brewries there (jack Black comes to mind, because I though of Jack Daniels and it's black label)
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July 9, 2013 3:43:49 PM

Tradesman1 said:
Sorry not back sooner, but can try the GSkill home page there, www.gskill.com last night, appeared to be down and still is now, they may be making more upgrades, but they have a where to buy section, and want to say there are some spots in South Africa, don't remember for sure, but think there is/was a place in Cape town and another in Johanesberg ((?) doesn't look right) that either carried or would special order GSkill, helped the guy w/ some Gskill DRAM and we had a chat about, think it was Castle Lager and some smaller brewries there (jack Black comes to mind, because I though of Jack Daniels and it's black label)


hahaha Black Label is a beer yes. Yeah there are some retailers, but the selection is very limited and I am EXTREMELY picky on RAM. I actually have a direct wholesaler contact that can get it for me now, but don;t see the point in purchasing just yet.
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July 9, 2013 3:49:48 PM

What about Jack Black Beer, think it was a lager he was talking about, know there's a Black Label, Think Carling makes or made it here in the states, (never did like it)
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July 9, 2013 4:01:49 PM

Tradesman1 said:
What about Jack Black Beer, think it was a lager he was talking about, know there's a Black Label, Think Carling makes or made it here in the states, (never did like it)


I love Black Label, although its a very artificially made beer,
Jack Black is a draft only, I think.
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July 9, 2013 4:08:20 PM

Well.......now that we have the important stuff solved....think I'll look at a few of these pesky computer questions.....see ya around Novuake
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July 9, 2013 4:13:59 PM

All good, enjoy!
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