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July 10, 2013 2:35:31 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: 90 days

Budget Range: 1500-1800$ (INR Rs100,000)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Autodesk Inventor (large assemblies), Autocad

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: none

Location: City, State/Region, Country - India (but just a good build config is requested in these approximate cost ranges)

Parts Preferences: None

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1600x1200 or kindly suggest

Additional Comments: The Workstation need to handle large assemblies (2000-10000 parts), 9-5 usage for office.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: New workstation for the CAD team in the company
July 10, 2013 3:01:23 AM

This is what our cad guys use at work.

225-0458 1 Dell Precision T1600 Standard Base
317-6059 1 Quad Core Xeon E3-1225, 3.10 GHz, 6M L3, 2GT, Turbo, Dell Precision T1600
317-2739 1 16GB, DDR3, Non-ECC SDRAM Memory, 1333MHz, 4x4GB,T1500
331-1965 1 Dell USB Entry Keyboard,No Hot Keys,English,Precision Desktop
320-3316 1 Monitor Option-None
320-1896 1 1GB nVIDIA Quadro 600,Dual Monitor,1DP and 1DVI,Dell Precision T1600
342-2145 1 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s, 7200RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache,Dell Precision T1600
342-2636 1 C1 All SATA Hard Drives,Non-RAID for 1 Hard Drive,3.5 Inch,Dell Precision T1600
342-2164 1 19 in 1,Media Card Reader,Dell Precision T1600
421-5607 1 Windows 7 Professional,No Media, 64-bit,Fixed Precision, English
330-6228 1 Windows 7 Label, OptiPlex, Fixed Precision, Vostro Desktop
421-5335 1 Dell Client System Update (Updates latest Dell Recommended BIOS, Drivers, Firmware and Apps),Precision Desktop
330-9458 1 Dell MS111 USB Optical Mouse,OptiPlex and Fixed Precision
430-3246 1 Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet
342-2165 1 MT Chassis Conf without 1394 Card,Dell Precision 1394
421-4370 1 Cyberlink Power DVD 9.5,No Media, Dell OptiPlex, Latitude and Precision Workstation
421-4539 1 Roxio Creator Starter,No Media,Dell OptiPlex, Latitude and Precision Workstation
318-0614 1 16X DVD+/-RW,Data Only,Dell Precision T1600
313-8764 1 Integrated 2.1 Channel Audio
313-2663 1 No Speaker option
318-0761 1 Precision T1600 265W 65% Efficient Power Supply
421-5090 1 Dell Data Protection Access,Precision Desktop
342-2635 1 Enable Low Power Mode for EUP Compliance,Dell Precision Desktop
331-2620 1 Regulatory Label,Dell Precision T1600
330-3157 1 Power Cord,125V,2M,C13,Dell Precision
331-2477 1 Documentation,English and French,Dell Precision
331-2720 1 No Out-of-Band Systems Management,Dell Precision T1600
330-2440 1 No Resource Media
331-2673 1 1 W ready mode - exceeds FEMP 3W recommendation. Mode can be disabled in BIOS. Dell Precision Desktop
331-1183 1 Quick Reference Guide,English,Dell Precision T1600
331-1189 1 Shipping Material for System,Dell Precision T1600
410-0560 1 Adobe Acrobat X, includes Serial Key Card, FI, ENG/FRN
421-3950 1 Microsoft Office Starter 2010,OptiPlex,Precision and Latitude
421-3954 1 Microsoft Office Home and Business 2010,English,OptiPlex,Precision and Latitude
935-2678 1 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus Service Extended Year(s)
929-6847 1 Dell Limited Hardware Warranty Plus Service Initial Year
938-8622 1 ProSupport: Next Business Day Limited Onsite Service After Remote Diagnosis 2 Year Extended
951-8780 1 ProSupport: Next Business Day Limited Onsite Service After Remote Diagnosis Initial Year
989-3449 1 Thank you choosing Dell ProSupport. For tech support, visit http://support.dell.com/ProSupport or call 1-866-516-3115

983-9162 1 ProSupport : 7x24 Technical Support , 2 Year Extended
984-5810 1 ProSupport : 7x24 Technical Support , Initial
900-9987 1 Standard On-Site Installation Declined
320-2939 1 Dell Professional P2212H,Wide screen,21.5in Viewable Image Size,HAS,VGA,DVI,Opti/FPWS
421-5682 1 Media Kit,Win 7 Professional 64bit,MUI,Dell OptiPlex, Precision and Latitude
* -DISCOUNT/COUPON APPL

Total $2072 you can save some money if you don't need office or the 3 year 24/7 pro support
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July 10, 2013 3:21:52 AM

@faalin - That would cross $3000 in India. Prices are very different in India and everything is around 35 - 40% more expensive.

This is the very best I think which suits you -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.39 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($171.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5900 2GB Video Card ($403.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Samsung S24C300HL 23.6" Monitor ($162.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1449.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-10 06:12 EDT-0400)

That is the very best I could come up with in Indian prices.

CPU - Rs.21000

http://www.flipkart.com/intel-3-4-ghz-lga1150-4770-i7-4...

Motherboard Rs. 6500

http://www.flipkart.com/asrock-h77-pro4-mvp-motherboard...

Monitor (You can improve here) Rs. 7500

http://www.flipkart.com/samsung-s20b300b-20-inch-led-ba...

PSU Rs.5000

http://www.flipkart.com/seasonic-s12ii-520-watts-psu/p/...

Graphics Rs. 33000

http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-firepro-v5900-...

RAM Rs. 5500

http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-vengeance-ddr3-16-gb-2-...

HDD Rs. 6000

http://www.flipkart.com/wd-caviar-green-2-tb-desktop-in...

Case Rs. 5000

http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-300r/p/itmd8bfzeqz4yfqc...

OS Rs. 10000

http://www.flipkart.com/microsoft-windows-7-professiona...

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Total Rs. 99500

That is identical alternative in India from Flipkart.
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July 10, 2013 10:23:47 AM

@luckiest charm
My heartiest thanx brother.
Just one query wouldn't it be better to use Nvidia GTA 680/770 instead of the graphic card you suggested?


@faalin, I was searching for open build instead of any company make....thanx anyway man :) 

I sincerely appreciate your help
luckiest charm said:
@faalin - That would cross $3000 in India. Prices are very different in India and everything is around 35 - 40% more expensive.

This is the very best I think which suits you -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($72.39 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($171.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: ATI FirePro V5900 2GB Video Card ($403.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Samsung S24C300HL 23.6" Monitor ($162.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1449.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-10 06:12 EDT-0400)

That is the very best I could come up with in Indian prices.

CPU - Rs.21000

http://www.flipkart.com/intel-3-4-ghz-lga1150-4770-i7-4...

Motherboard Rs. 6500

http://www.flipkart.com/asrock-h77-pro4-mvp-motherboard...

Monitor (You can improve here) Rs. 7500

http://www.flipkart.com/samsung-s20b300b-20-inch-led-ba...

PSU Rs.5000

http://www.flipkart.com/seasonic-s12ii-520-watts-psu/p/...

Graphics Rs. 33000

http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-firepro-v5900-...

RAM Rs. 5500

http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-vengeance-ddr3-16-gb-2-...

HDD Rs. 6000

http://www.flipkart.com/wd-caviar-green-2-tb-desktop-in...

Case Rs. 5000

http://www.flipkart.com/corsair-300r/p/itmd8bfzeqz4yfqc...

OS Rs. 10000

http://www.flipkart.com/microsoft-windows-7-professiona...

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Total Rs. 99500

That is identical alternative in India from Flipkart.


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July 10, 2013 10:28:56 AM

I am female, so rather your sister. :p 

And yes, GTX 770 / 680 (Which is obsolete at the moment to be honest since 770 is faster and cheaper), both are desktop video cards and are specifically designed for gaming.

For rendering, programming, CAD, and similar stuff you need something made exclusively for that purpose and this is where 'Workstation Graphics Cards' kick in. AMD FirePro V5900 is a very good workstation video card and would outperform any gaming / desktop video card in your purpose.
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July 10, 2013 10:44:25 AM

You have to remember this when building a computer for work you are responsible for it. If something goes wrong with it how much down time are you allowed to have before you can get it back up and running. If its anything like my company they want it fixed that day. With dell prosupport they have to be there in 4 hours to fix it. Your best solution is buying a new part and having it overnighted.

Yes building it yourself is cheaper but can your company afford or would like to have a cad guy down for a day or 2 not being able to work on his computer? Mine sure as hell doesn't.


Its also easy to call up dell and tell them what you are running and they will build a computer around it. I got on dells webpage for India and they have a very close computer to what I posted for 80,000Rs. Call them up get a rep, quotes are free and you don't have to buy it if you don't want it.
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July 10, 2013 1:35:54 PM

haha....ok sis, thanx for the effort taken....appreciate it...

the problem being My solution is geared towards only Autodesk Inventor and Autocad, for both of which the GTX 680 outperforms most of the workstation graphic cards. Also, as the computer is required for a 9-5 situation (no overnight runs and the inventor is in between work majorly autocad), workstation graphic cards will be bit overkill. Hence thought of GTX680/770
As I understand Autodesk rendering is much similar to video games as compared to other solid modelling softwares.
Also suggest whether a ssd 128 gb kind is possible? I heard it speeds up loading time a lot
or else high speed 10000 rpm hard disk, as for rendering etc more then space I need speed of loading.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/workstation-graphics-2013/10-AutoCAD-2013-3D-Performance-Summary,3286.html
@faalin
bro, actually we are fed up with workstations, I personally operate a 12000$ HP workstation and the downtime I see is enormous. We have got dell, hp, toshiba....workstations of all make in all ranges. Finally, we have found that a good built local assembly performs much better then the workstations in regular usage. Also the local assembler provides single to two days turnaround in all problems not even matched by HP or Dell at my place.
We now want to minimise workstations as long as it is not required for overnight works like heavy computations etc. For 9-5 jobs custom builds are better suited.


luckiest charm said:
I am female, so rather your sister. :p 

And yes, GTX 770 / 680 (Which is obsolete at the moment to be honest since 770 is faster and cheaper), both are desktop video cards and are specifically designed for gaming.

For rendering, programming, CAD, and similar stuff you need something made exclusively for that purpose and this is where 'Workstation Graphics Cards' kick in. AMD FirePro V5900 is a very good workstation video card and would outperform any gaming / desktop video card in your purpose.


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July 10, 2013 1:50:39 PM

The strange thing is that there is no mention of GTX 770 which is essentially an overclocked GTX 680 with nothing changed except clock speed.

If a certain GPU is getting you the best results then its a wise choice to go for it. In the same way Bitcoin Mining benefits from HD 5870 the most.

Everything else is pretty good, just the GPU needs to be replaced.
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