Does Microsoft know which versions of Windows will be bad?

JPNpower · Jul 10, 2013

Yes it is silly, but hear me through. Windows XP had a pretty startup screen, with the big colorful windows logo and blue loading bar.

Windows Vista was released, and the first thing I noticed was the all black gloomy startup screen, with a tiny green loading bar.

Windows 7 was released with that awesome pulsating heart themed windows logo startup screen.

Windows 8 has a boring solid logo with a copycat spinning wheel used everywhere.

Thus, Microsoft labels good OS's with cool startup screens, and bad OS's with lame starup screens.

gmkos · Jul 10, 2013

JPNpower :

You may have heard of Intel's Tick Tock model, where they upgrade the manufacturing process with each tick, and upgrade the microarchitecture with each tock.

Well, some believe Microsoft has a similar system, Good Bad, where every other operating system is either good or bad.

JPNpower · Jul 10, 2013

THAT is so true

apache_lives · Jul 10, 2013

Ah a hating thread by some noob

1) XP was hated on release for years and had a slower adoption rate then Windows 8 today.
2) When you love Windows 7 your actually loving Windows Vista - its the same thing (take a look at them side by side one day).
3) If your into all that cosmetics BS and startup logos your definitely not a professional of any kind.
4) Windows Vista and Windows 8 are good operating systems, Windows 8 is ahead of the game.

JPNpower · Jul 10, 2013

Calm down mate! It's just humor. In fact I'm planning on buying 8 for my next PC overhaul. No hate.

But 7 does seem to be faster overall than vista. I have then both dual booting on my rig. (during transition phase when 7 was new. Kept the layout)

Cool facts though thanks! (what's your OS of choice? )

bryonhowley · Jul 10, 2013

Well Windows 8 is the best OS Microsoft has released to date so I do not think your analogy really holds up at all. Windows Vista was really good the problem was venders dropping the ball with drivers when it came out as such it took them quite a while to catch up with there drivers. Windows 7 was great but it like XP is now obsolete and out of date.

JPNpower · Jul 10, 2013

I don't see you're point as windows 8 is laggy and strange. Frustrating at times. I sill have vista, and believe me, age along with new drivers did it no good. Still very very slow and laggy.

And seven is obsolete? You crazy? Even xp isn't "obsolete" there's a reason why a lot of people still use it.

montosaurous · Jul 11, 2013

Vista was okay after SP1, but Windows 7 is still better. Bugs and crap hardware gave Vista it's issues. Personally I like the UI of Windows 8 better than the classic start menu, but some older games I enjoy will run fine on Windows 7 but have issues on Windows 8. That along with Windows 8 being pretty damn buggy, and apparently 8.1 is too. The two are about the same in terms of speed usability, other than Windows 8 having a faster boot time. Apps and Windows store is also annoying. Also, Windows 7 is not outdated and won't be until it hits the limit Microsoft set for it of 192GB RAM. XP was hated until everyone got used to it, Windows 7 was accepted pretty quickly though. All of this aside, I hate touchscreen and only use 1 monitor so I see no reason to use Windows 8 at the moment. Being able to run stuff on Windows 7 but not Windows 8 doesn't help it's cause either. Most huge Windows 8 fans are also rabid Microsoft fanboys so what they say should be taken with a grain of salt.

apache_lives · Jul 11, 2013

montosaurous what games/software wont work with Windows 8 that work fine on Windows 7? Just curious

and yes dont get me wrong Windows 7 is superior to Vista i just hate people who (not you lol) says its all this and that when they have no idea that its just about the same is Windows 7 (given a little heavier/slower)

JPNpower Windows XP *IS* obsolite it was even 3 years ago, and if your Vista is lagging you have a crappy system or packed install (all versions of Windows suffer from this), drivers dont make things magically faster either

on the other hand any Vista users out there that want to improve it i have some awesome tips (trust me) that will make it work 1000x better
1) disable sidebar
2) pagefile set manually (32-bit to 4096/4096 64-bit to 8192/8192)
3) enable disk caching
4) disable uac
5) disable system restore (useless)
6) security center set to do not warn
7) leave aero enabled, use the default aero theme

someone post back with how these steps worked

i have used Windows 3.11, 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7 and now 8 on all my main computers, i love Windows 8 by far because of some useful features no one tends to notice but are so useful

1) native XHCI/USB3 support even in the setup/install side
2) native touch screen support even in the setup/install side
3) reinstall/repair options within Windows if its having issues
4) units sold with Windows 8 dont need product keys - bios key auto-activation
5) you can use a touch screen without feeling the need to punch something

lots more that i cbf listing here

JPNpower · Jul 11, 2013

I did not expect this thread to go this way, but its interesting so good...

Anyway, APACHE, I have tried most of the tricks you listed already, and it does improve speed somewhat. I also have multiple drives on my system. One is Vista, the other is 7. Thus, I run the exact same system with both OS's. I still notice that 7 has a SIGNIFICANT speed advantage. Yes, it might be an older system, but 7 makes it feel fast enough, while 8 makes it feel unbearably slow.

As for drivers, you said in an earlier post that it was (one of) the reasons that Vista was slow, so I was only responding to that.

I am also not entirely sure what you mean by packed install, so I won't comment on that for now.

Yes, I agree Windows 8 is useful, but very buggy and frustrating. I am sure that just like Win 7 to Vista, Windows WhatEverIsNext will improve upon, and make a more complete version of 8.

Which brings me to another point. I really wanted Vista to do good, as it is the only version of windows with a cool name. 7, 8, 8.1, 2000, 97, even XP don't sound as cool.

montosaurous · Jul 11, 2013

The only games I've found to run on Windows 7 but not Windows 8 are Simcity 4 and The Sims 2, which happen to be a couple of my favorite games of all time. A lot of other older games I like run on Windows 8, just not these two. I could bear it since it takes some tweaking to get them to recognize my GPU, and even then they have issues on Windows 7. Windows 8 has many improvements over Windows 7, most of which I don't really care about as they don't affect me too much. That and I find Windows 8 users are ridiculed by many, which is kind of sad. I might give Windows 8.1 a try when it RTMs, but I've heard it's buggy as hell.

apache_lives · Jul 11, 2013

JPNpower Windows 8- buggy? Since the Enterprise 90 day trials were out iv been using it everywhere and its been great, not buggy at all

montosaurous haven't played those games in years haha

JPNpower · Jul 12, 2013

My experience with Win8 is limited to (raiding Microcenter/best buy) fiddling with my friend's laptop. I borrowed it when new, telling him I'd set it up all his programs and stuff. (I did, he is rather lazy.) So I used the opportunity to mess around with the new OS.

I could not get Adobe CS6 to stay stable for longer than 3 min.
Apps kept on disappearing somewhere.
The Charms bar did not work.
Micro-freezes everywhere.

I mean his computer was a good quad core i7 machine too. Anyway, that's when I thought that Win8 was a half-done project that must be completed in Win9. It takes that long to fix out all the glitches.

On another note, I really hope the Win9 startup screen looks cool due to this superstition.

apache_lives · Jul 12, 2013

Your issues you describe are limited to that machine, there are no issues your listing on any of my Windows 8 machines or any Windows 8 system used - i have a Windows 8 atom tablet and even it runs solid.

I have multiple machines running CS6 - no issues there (apart from the common dll error which the same fix applies to 7 and 8).

Iv seen some really crappy i7 builds out there, the processor doesn't mean high spec system it may be the only high spec part in the rig.

You do know the NT6 kernel has been around since Vista and is essentially the same core even in 7 and 8 right? They have had that long so resolve any issues and they have long ago.

You need to learn cause and effect, instead of blaming something that is not to blame - you don't know the new rig has issues or was dropped during transport and has hardware faults and so on.

Its because of uneducated people like you that good products get a bad name.

Windows 9? I hope i don't have to see a childish start up logo at all i have no care or concern for some animation when i have work to do.

JPNpower · Jul 12, 2013

I'll reply in full later as I'm on my phone now.

Again, the startup screen was merely humor on my part, but still I cannot see how it is any more childish than eight's "start menu". But there's no need to bring up thisold topic again.

montosaurous · Jul 12, 2013

The less I have to see the start up logo, the happier I am.

JPNpower · Jul 13, 2013

That's no reason to make it ugly

montosaurous · Jul 13, 2013

Vista was probably the only one with a startup logo that I would consider "ugly".

JPNpower · Jul 13, 2013

True but eight is nothing to praise

das_stig · Jul 14, 2013

Normally any OS that they rush through trying to catch up with the competition, Win95(later version far better), Win98 (98se fixed most things), WinME (even god couldn't fix this abortion), Vista (half arsed attempt), Win8 ( Lets turn a PC into a phone)

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