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I'm waiting for the C2 stepping motherboards with the USB 3.0 fix to be available, has anyone heard any news on when that might be?
 
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You think waiting for the new stepping is that important? i think not, wouldnt worry about it.

 
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dont get all mad, but you guys worry way too much. I game with lots of guys online, and a few of my real friends and my cousin have built haswell systems and there has been nothing wrong, 1st revisions rarely have such troubles, thats why the companies test months upon months before intial release. Not worth it to be a worrywart. If you can wait until future revisions come out, then good for you. But would i suggest to someone to wait if it was currently month of June, until August just for a C2 revision? I would say hell no, enjoy gaming while people sit around for August lol.

This of course applies more to somone who is building their first computer, if your sitting on a C2D or early i5/i7 then you can keep gaming contently until you can wait no longer.
 
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@rrbronstein

I agree that for the most part, there's nothing wrong with the first revision. however, some of us are extremely picky. personally I am a perfectionist, and if there's the SLIGHTEST error with my computer, I would be unhappy about it. hell, if I bought a 1st revision Haswell board, I may end up being unhappy enough to buy a C2 board later down the line (personal OCD issues)... then again I'm sitting on OCed Sandy Bridge and have seen no reason to upgrade yet...

that aside, many of us here are enthusiasts and can push our systems a bit further than gaming applications, and the 2nd revision are oftentimes better, or at least smoother, for overclocking than 1st revisions if you just want to squeeze out that last MHz to show off to your buddies. I agree that if you need to build a machine now, go ahead, but if it isn't your first build, and you're not sitting on an ancient Celeron or something, a month or two of extra waiting just to get that perfect machine really isn't a big deal.
 
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This article out today says they should be available in September. http://www.techpowerup.com/187392/motherboards-with-revised-intel-8-series-chipset-to-show-up-by-september.html

Just found out about this issue today. Glad I didn't rush for a Haswell build.

Also wonder how the mobo manufacturers will distinguish revised versions of their current boards with the C2 stepping.
 
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rumor is that they won't because it is a "minor inconvenience". wonder if this is a manufacturer decision or Intel's making the call for them, afterall, to distinguish between the two you kinda need to mention that something's wrong with the first one
 
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+1 Shock, Awe, speechless........Intel wrong! Nay, Nay! Can't be ;)
 
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Personally i would consider the SB chipset flaw to be of higher importance than this one. USB drive/sleep issues seems so negligible, but if people can wait, then wait i guess.

 
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yea of course for you theres no reasons to upgrade, meaning why my first statement doesnt really apply to users such as yourself, more new builders/first timers. I would doubt that 2nd revisions would overclock better, unless the CPU yields for haswell got better over time, from everything ive read its not the boards, but CPU's which are picky.

 
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yea some people will downplay anything, but honestly Tradesman, would you really wait for a new revision of a possible problem with USB drive/sleep issues? If it doesnt affect main connectivity i dont see why its important. Possible SATA degradation sounds insane though, i would never downplay that issue, thats main connectivity.

BTW, i always read your responses in the memory section and i see you really know your stuff and the memory speed/timing advice is great. Just to say that im a fan :)

 
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For me in particular, YES, it's an issue, I build systems - and I don't want people coming back to me a few months down the road talking about a bum mobo, what I do here in the forums is the same I do with clients, if they don't think USB will be an issue, then they make the call, but a bum USB could lead to worse things like corrupting drives - they don't KNOW what all issues may come from this.
 
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Awful. IMHO Dropping $100+ on a mobo only to find that one of the features don't work is more than a "minor inconvenience."

I would hope that there's some way to know you bought a mobo with a revised chipset short of buying one and installing it.
 
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the USB/sleep issue would be a problem for me as well (the fact that I have SB aside). hear me out:

for the average intelligent user (and any builder should be in this category), you're probably aware that you should back up your data. unfortunately, most users don't keep a backup copy in an alternative location, but most users do have an external harddrive plugged into their computer for backup purposes. Most builders etc also keep their desktop towers on the floor or at least in a corner of their desk. More and more users also only shut down/restart their computer once a week (or less), and just lets it sleep/hibernate. with all the power-saving abilities of haswell, there's even less reason to shut down a machine. Now, every-time the machine wakes up, you would need to unplug and plug in that back-up harddrive. if you have more drives for other purposes, this becomes even more annoying.

Is this issue worth waiting for 3 months? I leave that upto you. but for me, even if it's my first gaming build, i'd stick it out on an xbox until September or just buy Ivy-bridge at a cheaper price.
 
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CPU-Z is supposed to tell you if it's a C1 or C2 revision. see here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35279740

get CPU-Z here:

http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z/versions-history.html
 
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Thanks. Still sucks you have to get it home first and install, then RMA if it's not C2...
 
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Sleep issues are important to me. On the other hand, I have exactly zero concern for overclockability, my CPU will run at stock speed.

I was hoping to order my motherboard in August, but I'm not in a hurry, I can wait until September. Mainly, I'd like some solid info. I don't really want to order something and return it, I'd rather wait and order the correct part in the first place.

 
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Won't last until September. C2 is already being produced and sent to the mainboard manufacturers. Availability of boards on the market is expected by end of July.

As for identifying C2 prior to purchase, do not worry about that. Mainboard manufacturers will use it for advertising. Asus has already stated they will put stickers on the boxes of their C2 mainboards. Internet vendors will not hesitate to advertise C2 boards when they get them. Aside from the price there is little enough for an internet computer hardware vendor to distinguish himself from the competition.
 
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true enough, like they did for SB chipsets. They will distinguish im sure.

 
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Has anyone heard anything? I see some articles in German mentioning possible ASRock C2 boards in Germany, but a real lack of any other information...
 
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C2 boards have been available on the German market (and most likely everywhere else in the world as well) since the beginning of August. However, only ASUS is selling C2 boards so far. ASUS is not usign a sticker, but has assigned them a different EAN number, so retailers can distinguish the revision. In Germany you can find ASUS C2 boards e.g. on gh.de. gh.de has multiple search criteria that let you find offers of C2 mainboards.

Asrock and the other mainboard manufacturers will release their boards in September. Asrock is going to use the same EAN, but put a sticker on the package for C2 boards.

It is an interesting question how ASUS managed to get an edge of a full month over the whole competition as far as C2 boards are concerned. Seems ASUS was aware of the public attention that this bug caused and made sure they release and advertise C2 mainboards asap. I believe the other manufacturers want to make sure they get their old stock sold, so they are not going to mark their C2 boards before September. However, seeing that Intel has been shipping only C2 chipsets since July, I believe there are already C2 mainboards of other manufacturers on the market. They are just not labelled as such, so it is not possible to identify them before you have built a PC around them and can use CPU-Z or a similar tool.

As far as I am concerned, I will wait for the Asrock boards to show up, because ASUS, once the supreme premium manufacturer, has become so poor quality-wise. Their mainboards take an eternity to boot.
 
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