x4 955be vs fx 6300

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

hi guys im thinking of doing an overhaul on my pc and im thinking of getting a fx 6300 and getting a
this board http://www.msy.com.au/product.jsp?productId=9651

and looking to oc to 4.5ghz and my cooling is a nh-d14 and what im doing with this pc is gaming
so would this be a decent upgrade

JRAtk94 · Jul 11, 2013

Yep, that's an appropriate upgrade.

Once you've got the 6300 to around 4.2ghz, it'll perform around about the same as a stock i5 3570, which is pretty damn good.

That Noctua will easily get you to 4.5ghz, as long as you get lucky in the silicon lottery.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

JRAtk94 :

ok thanks

JRAtk94 · Jul 11, 2013

no worries, bud.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

JRAtk94 :

with the fx 6300 how much of a improvement will i see

JRAtk94 · Jul 11, 2013

Depends - is this a gaming PC?

[strike]What GPU do you have, and how much RAM?[/strike]

EDIT: just seen them in your sig.

What games do you play?

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

JRAtk94 :

battlefiled 3 max panye 3 gta 4 gta sa gta 3 duke nuken and tomb raider

JRAtk94 · Jul 11, 2013

It's hard to say how much of an improvement you'll see - the 955BE is no slouch, so it's not likely to be bottlenecking.

In GTA SA, 3 and 4, you will see no improvement. Probably no improvement in Duke Nukem either.

Tomb Raider and Max Payne 3 will likely see a small improvement - but nothing significant.

Battlefield 3 will probably see the largest improvement, as the game can utilize 6 cores. Your minimum framerate is likely to increase as a result, but probably not by much.

It might be a better idea to buy a new GPU in my opinion, as that will obviously result in a much more prominent improvement.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

will i wanted to get a gtx 760 or gtz 770 but i get told that it will bottleneck my cpu

JRAtk94 · Jul 11, 2013

Quite the opposite - the CPU will bottleneck the GPU.

However, if you overclocked it to maybe 4ghz or so - maybe 4.2ghz, the bottleneck would most likely be removed or reduced to an insignificant amount - since it's a BE, this shouldn't be too difficult of a task. Have you attempted to go beyond 3.9ghz?

You'll benefit much more from a new GPU than an FX 6300 with new motherboard, despite the small bottleneck.

In my opinion, new GPU now, then new MoBo/FX6300 later.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

well i have my cpu at 3.9ghz if i go 4ghz im not happy with the temps

Cryio · Jul 11, 2013

skitz9417 :

You SHOULD have a very clear image of the upgrade you are doing. If the games you play or you are planing to play support only 2 and 4 cores, than the FX will NOT be an upgrade to your Phenom II (at most a very small improvement). Even if OC'd, you mostly get the slightly better performance, but just SLIGHTY. If playing in 1080p, then the performance difference might be close to zero.

I just want to point out that buying the FX now is more future proofing than anything. You will really see the benefits of your new CPU when you'll play games that properly utilise more that 4 cores and seeing how we are at the verge of the next-gen, the time will soon come. The BEST CASE SCENARIO you will see at the moment after your upgrade will be in Crysis 3, that can utilise more than 4 threads.

Other games with good, if slightly optimised for more than 4 cores are: Far Cry 2, Assassin's Creed (especially) 1 & 2, Crysis 2 and (I think) Grand Theft Auto IV. Also the Battlefield games, in multiplayer.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

Cryio :

skitz9417 :

You SHOULD have a very clear image of the upgrade you are doing. If the games you play or you are planing to play support only 2 and 4 cores, than the FX will NOT be an upgrade to your Phenom II (at most a very small improvement). Even if OC'd, you mostly get the slightly better performance, but just SLIGHTY. If playing in 1080p, then the performance difference might be close to zero.

I just want to point out that buying the FX now is more future proofing than anything. You will really see the benefits of your new CPU when you'll play games that properly utilise more that 4 cores and seeing how we are at the verge of the next-gen, the time will soon come. The BEST CASE SCENARIO you will see at the moment after your upgrade will be in Crysis 3, that can utilise more than 4 threads.

Other games with good, if slightly optimised for more than 4 cores are: Far Cry 2, Assassin's Creed (especially) 1 & 2, Crysis 2 and (I think) Grand Theft Auto IV.

i have a 1080p and 1600x900 as my second screen and so gpu or cpu and mobo upgrade ?

Cryio · Jul 11, 2013

As far as I see, you haven't posted what GPU you use anywhere, so I can't recommend you anything.

About the CPUs, the Phenom II you have is rock solid for gaming. The FX 6300 is better, but you will really see the benefits of its 6 cores in few cases, for the time being.
The performance difference will be more pronounced if you'll play on the 1600x900 display, as the GPU isn't doing almost all the work it does in 1080p.

skitz9417 · Jul 11, 2013

i have a hd 6950 1gb

Cryio · Jul 12, 2013

skitz9417 :

Then it's easy honestly.

The CPU upgrade will really help (for today's existing games) if you play a ton of Battlefield 3 MP or Shogun/Total Rome II RTS games

But for the majority of games, the GPU upgrade will help way more.

If you're using your Phenom II at 3.9 GHz, then buying a new GPU is what I consider the wiser choice.

For the GPU, any CPU that isn't the 3770 is a possible (not really in 1080p though) bottleneck for any high-end GPUs. Nvidia GPUs tend to be bottlenecked by CPUs more than AMD ones. So if you were thinking of a GTX770 upgrade, maybe look into some HD7970 GHz options. Same performance, less power consumption, more or less the same money.

Intel God · Jul 12, 2013

JRAtk94 :

It will? :lol: have any proof to backup that claim?

schmuckley · Jul 12, 2013

skitz9417 :

If you're running a 955 ..not very much..even slower in some areas.

skitz9417 · Jul 12, 2013

well if i get a fx 6300 and i have a 955be at 3.9ghz

JRAtk94 · Jul 12, 2013

Intel God :

General consensus.

I don't know if it's true, but I've seen many people say it before.

Can't find any benchmarks though.

Cryio · Jul 12, 2013

The Piledriver architecture is more efficient than the Phenom II

While Phenom II trades blows and usually wins when it comes to Bulldozer, in a strictly per core performance, Piledriver easily pulls ahead in any workload.

Intel God · Jul 12, 2013

FX6300 needs to be clocked at 4.8Ghz to come close to a stock 3570K

JRAtk94 · Jul 12, 2013

Good find.

At least I'm better informed.

ElMoIsEviL · Jul 12, 2013

Intel God :

Although I acknowledge the validity of those benchmarks those two tests (and the third one on that site) are tests in which Intel has an already substantial lead over AMD. Skyrim is not a valid result to use if you're looking for the avg performance of an FX-6300 across several games.

Have a look here

With a 1GHz overclock the FX-6300 would more than catch up... that's a given. Of course that is not the case for ALL applications but an overwhelming amount of them for sure.

Cryio · Jul 12, 2013

Yeah, Skyrim is pretty much the worst case scenario for AMD's CPUs. Also, the game utilises only 2 threads properly and 2 others .... 10% at max?

It's not a game which highlights FX 6300's (a six core CPU) strenghts.

x4 955be vs fx 6300

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