Setting up comcast sent Modem/Router combo?

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So comcast sent me some Arris TC862 gigantic modem/router combo and said I am missing out on speed so trying to hook it up and having problems.

I get it all hooked up and all the proper lights come on including "connected" and "wifi" and I see 2 new wifi networks - one is like home-something and matches the SSID on the bottom of the Modem/Router and then there is "Undentified Network" - When I try and connect to the home-something one I enter the PW on the bottom of the bottm and it "connects" but takes forever and gives me limited connectivity"

I followed all the directions and I dont know how to proceed.

Any help would be appreciated
 
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To answer your question about the speeds. There are different models of modems, mainly the specification to which they connect, namely DOCSIS.
Most modems a few years ago utilized DOCSIS 2.0. This limited the throughput to roughly 40 Mbps down and 30 Mbps up.
DOCSIS 3.0 is capable of achieving throughput of 300 Mbps down, and 100 Mbps up.
As far as going with proprietary or third party, there are usually issues with third party modems since ISPs define the specification for their connectivity around specific models of modems. Mostly for the sake of increasing your subscription cost vs standardization.

As for your connectivity. As stated already the MAC address of your modem needs to be registered with your ISP to enable it to connect...

jmflu

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Does this thing actually provide a benefit ya think? I had been using a linksys modem for the past few years.

Or are they just trying to get me to conform to this? Because I heard some people saying it was bad and I don't really want to do it if I don't gain any benefit
 
A quick glance through google shows two facts 1) Yes "you are missing speed" unless you swap to this device. It seems Comcast is now pumping 50Mps and can even get that through the wireless connection (so both Internet AND Wireless are running same speed). 2) The firmware is noted to be the main culprit, and may now be in the Comcast solution process to get up and running (that a few home visits and calls to customer service it seems).

Basically my take it, your going to be having blazing fast Internet and the device is the pathway to even higher speeds going forward (just remember not too long ago we poked along at 1Mb) but this maybe just the 'growing pain's' short term (a month or so) of dealing with getting yourself online properly.
 

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To answer your question about the speeds. There are different models of modems, mainly the specification to which they connect, namely DOCSIS.
Most modems a few years ago utilized DOCSIS 2.0. This limited the throughput to roughly 40 Mbps down and 30 Mbps up.
DOCSIS 3.0 is capable of achieving throughput of 300 Mbps down, and 100 Mbps up.
As far as going with proprietary or third party, there are usually issues with third party modems since ISPs define the specification for their connectivity around specific models of modems. Mostly for the sake of increasing your subscription cost vs standardization.

As for your connectivity. As stated already the MAC address of your modem needs to be registered with your ISP to enable it to connect. Call comcast and ensure your modem is registered correctly. You can also check the status of your registration on their website when you login and look at the XFINITY internet section of your account profile. On the right you should be able to view the currently registered modem make, model, and MAC address. The process of registering your MAC address can take up to 72 hours, but usually only takes 1 hour to complete.

As for the gateway aspect, I strongly suggest against using the Wifi/Routing capability of the Modem comcast gave you, and use a third party wireless router connected to the modem via WAN port. Disabling the modem's wifi, and firewall and utilizing a third party router to enable that functionality for your network.
Gateways are generally plagued with all kinds of issues as their functionality shares the same CPU, flash RAM, and DRAM.
Until they start sending out gateways with built in ECC, you will have intermittent/sluggish connectivity as the gateway is trying to perform the work of 3+ devices in one with a single device's memory and CPU.
This rule will apply until your internet speed requirements and capabilities reach or exceed 1Gbps exceeding the speed of the CAT 6 cable to which the router and modem communicate. For example with Google Fiber.

Comcast is attempting to compete with Google Fiber, by increasing their bandwidth to target areas. Comcast currently offers some subscribers 105 Mbps down in certain areas, and plans to double the throughput of their existing plans are in the works.
 
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Ok so heres where im at

During my initial upgrade installation (I was getting a solid "online" light) - and was able to connect wirelessly and get to the comcast redirect on a web page telling me it needed to set it up etc

It gave an error which is fine and I contacted online support and they told me it needed to be activated over the phone before first use.

So comcast support "activates" it and tells me it looks all good on their end, but now I am unable to get a solid "Online" light on the modem. It is either off, or will flash and then turn off, but never go solid

(keep in mind the day before I got a solid light and was able to access comcasts redirect to set up the modem)

So now I just spent the last few hours being transferred around comcast to people basically telling me to power cycle it. They would claim to transfer me to a technician who knew more, but just kept getting transferred to other basic comcast support. Asked third guy to talk to supervisor and he hung up on me.

enraging experience

So now I am at the point where I cannot even get a comcast person on the phone who isnt just having me repeat my personal information and having me power cycle.

Oh and when I hook up my other modem (with the same coax chord) it works fine, combined with it getting solid online light the day before rules out a bad cable imo

What do I do from here? Does anyone have any ideas?
 

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Cant find a specific internet section of the site but I see equipment on the right and I see "Voice and Data Modem" section that has 3 modems, 1 is my current, and 2 are of the same make but are not my modem.

The one that IS my modem seems to have the cmmac address listed both under the serial number and the cmac address. Could this be a possibility?
 
OKAY HOLD UP. Don't make assumptions based on 'the light won't stay on' means things aren't working. Have a WIRED connection into the new Model (always do wired first to establish connectivity THEN move to wireless) and disable your wireless on your laptop. Can you get to the Internet? If NO, then see below. If yes, then unplug and enable wireless, can you get Internet Wirelessly by signing into it? If NO, then see below.


Basically your at the mercy of Comcast. I would
1) write down each Operator number (you can demand this) instead of just writing 'that bob guy' who answered. Provide the results of above to them. Your BASELINE is to get wired connectivity first. If you can't get that BUT can when you use your old equipment that validates the issue is NOT with THAT Windows PC (they get millions of calls of people with screwed up PCs looking for free tech support) and it is all via a wired connection issue at this point. Once you have a wired connection then move onto a wireless connection. Again, you have proven wirelessly with the old one things worked fine, so it isn't the PC UNLESS your mistyping the NEW code to connect wirelessly. If they keep insisiting your okay on thier end then escalate it to Tier 2, then a Supervisor because your not online


2) If refused or they try to 'help' by bouncing you around then plainly state you ONLY wish to speak to a supervisor. If they can't get you the Supervisor then state "Please then provide the Supervisors Manager OR your Legal Departments Information. I am invoking my rights under the Consumer Protection Act and will have my Lawyer start first procedural steps to sue for breach of contract since your department refuses to provide escalating (Keyword) support." Keep repeating and pushing it, you will get a Supervisor on the line.

DON"T whine / complain, simply present the facts (and I mean narrow ones) as your saying here, that you activated it, it 'looks good' on your end but your still not getting Internet EVEN WHEN Wired in, but as soon as you use the 'old' equipment that works perfectly even wirelessly.


There is NO ANSWER you will find on Tom's or anywhere else that will let you 'fix' the problem. It is your Service provider's issue, they have to fix it in thier specific equipment and they are the only ones whom will ever be able to resolve it for you.

Oh and if you think 'well I get Internet just fine the way I was doing so screw all that', that won't play in ComCast's book. They (like all tech companies) have a kill time on old stuff (would be within 30 days of receipt of the new modem) that will remove the access rights of the old registered equipment and ensure "no unauthorized or unsupported equipment is connected to the ComCast Network".
 

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Yes, according to your description you have multiple devices registered, to which I am not aware of being possible. It sounds like the activation of the modem was done incorrectly.
The tech you spoke to that registered your MAC, simply validated the MAC address was entered, usually takes some time for their servers to update, and the modem to connect and download the settings.
Validate the MAC address on the site is actually the one listed on your modem.

Comcast support and communication is very lacking in my experience. You effectively have to call and ask for their Tier 2 Tech support as you are tired of explaining the same situation over and over again. If the MAC doesn't match the equipment on the site, tell them it is not correctly configured on their end, and that you need to re-activate the modem.
Power cycling the modem usually will force the software download, unplug it for at least 1 minute, then plug it in again wait 5 full minutes, and see if it changes. Without the software the modem doesn't know how to communicate with the ISP. The MAC address registration allows for it to connect to the ISP for that software download.

You said you can connect your other modem and it still works, which should not be the case if it was done correctly; the tech should have disconnected the original modem (which should also be disconnected by you), and activated the modem that you were given, which should have also been connected.

There is also a possibility that the line at the box/coming into the house has too much loss for the modem to connect to. Even more a possibility since they mailed you the modem instead of having someone come to install it and test signal strength. There are different types of Coaxial cable to which the newer modems generally require 75 ohm instead of 51 ohm.
For example you may have RG9 (51 ohm), but require RG6 (75 ohm), or even RG11 (75 ohm) coax, however I have rarely seen RG11 used in residential areas.
This was the case for one installation I had seen where the homeowner moved their modem and used a longer older cable they had in their house and couldn't connect.

Best bet call customer service or your local comcast service center and issue a service call for them to install it. Because of the new specifications of coaxial cable, it is not as DIY as they used to be. The tools for the compression fittings and signal testers are expensive compared to a service call.

As for mentioning a lawyer or threatening to cancel your service, don't bother, it won't win you any sympathy or any expedited service with comcast. The same applies when you don't tip your pizza guy enough, you won't get your pizza as fast if the guy knows you're not going to tip him... Either cancel service and switch or avoid mentioning it.
I chose the former, and explicitly asked if they drug tested their service technicians, then canceled my home service and 2 business services with them...
 

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