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Hi All,

Please help a noob! After much research and reading I am more confused and lost as to what will suit my needs. Even though I am a noob I am confident in my abilities to build a fresh computer thanks due to my IT brother. Trying to do my homework and have a nice build put together so all he has to do is help me with the actual build itself and software.

I am an architect by trade which is forcing me to learn hardware quickly. This is a personal home computer that I want to utilize for everything under the sun. I do have a workstation computer built specifically for design work and it works beautifully but it is located at work. So whenever I am at home I want to be able to still complete some work if need be as well as be able to game and tool around as well. Just a good, solid, multi-purpose computer that works "pretty good" with my design programs.

Please PLEASE tell me if something looks stupid or doesnt make sense. Please make changes to anything. My real concerns are CPU, Mobo, and GPU. THat is where I am really frustrated at picking. Suggestions very welcome because the more I read the more confused I get.

Approximate Purchase Date: this week

Budget Range: $900 After Rebates but Before Shipping. Looking for a build that is a good bang for buck.

System Usage:

Web Surfing - 20%
Counter Strike Source - 15%
I would like to start gaming more but existing computer didn't allow that. Looking at games like Battlefield and Starcraft
CAD - 15%
Revit - 10%
Sketchup - 10%
Video Streaming - 10%
Photoshop, Illustrator, Adobe etc. - 10%
Office - 5%
last a mix of 3dMax, Viz, Corel, Rhino - 5%

Are you buying a monitor: No. I have a Asus 23.5" monitor at 1920x1080

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Open to whomever is reputable

Location: Im in Chicago and prefer to purchase parts from US

Parts Preferences: My preference is for the brands in the computer to stay consistent but I am willing to mix and match if it is the most suitable build for me as you can see below, AMD / Nvidia. After research I think the build below is best but again getting a bit flustered trying to figure out what is best.

Overclocking: Maybe, do not feel comfortable doing it now but once I learn more I would be open to the idea

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: - i do like some cool "bling" (eventhough the case below I know is minimalist) but first objective is good functionality like air movement. I see if there is an area to cut a corner it is in the case to allow for an upgrade with other hardware yet I know too cheap is a no no
- will i need to purchase extra fans on top of anything that already comes with a case to get proper air flow?
- I chose a AMD for the extra cores even though in single thread Intel is better I still thought AMD may suit my needs better (the Intel processor I was looking at was the i5-4670k).
- I chose a NVidia card for its Cuda cores for some of my design programs.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: MY computer is having trouble with everything....over 7 years old now and it stuggles alot with some of my design programs.

Where I am at now:
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $909.63
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-13 22:20 EDT-0400)

All input is very appreciated....thank you for your time guys.

Thanks, Brandon
 
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SoIll,

The AMD FX 8350 is a good value and the choices you've made are very good. I would only suggest considering>

1. GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard > $110 I feel this is more workstation oriented and has better features.

2. Trading the Samsung SSD and Seagate for a single 6 GB/s 1TB with 64MB cache. An SSD is very fast in starting and loading applications, but in most tasks does not earn it's keep in a system that's being careful with cost.

3. 16Gb RAM I found when moving from 2D to 3D CAD and then adding rendering into the tasks, that I was running more applications at once and my 2D system went from 4GB to 12 to 16GB in about 6 months.

4. I...
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For a multi-purpose setup, where you are at right now looks just fine to me. Although, I would go with a different brand for your power supply. Reliable brands include, Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, Enermax, PC Power and Cooling, Silverstone.

Also in good conscience, have to advise against any purchase of Windows 8. Windows 7 is a much more user friendly OS. Microsoft had high hopes of becoming/developing the next apple/iPad, and designed Windows 8 as mostly a touch orientated OS, basically giving the middle finger to desktop users and leaving us with a poorly optimized cluster-f*** of an OS.
 
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SoIll,

The AMD FX 8350 is a good value and the choices you've made are very good. I would only suggest considering>

1. GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard > $110 I feel this is more workstation oriented and has better features.

2. Trading the Samsung SSD and Seagate for a single 6 GB/s 1TB with 64MB cache. An SSD is very fast in starting and loading applications, but in most tasks does not earn it's keep in a system that's being careful with cost.

3. 16Gb RAM I found when moving from 2D to 3D CAD and then adding rendering into the tasks, that I was running more applications at once and my 2D system went from 4GB to 12 to 16GB in about 6 months.

4. I second robnof's comment about the power supply and suggest a Seasonic.

5. I also second robnof's comment about Windows 7 over Windows 8. There are slight performance advantages in 8, but the remedial interface would still bother me, never mind the touch screen oriented Metro which to me is a disaster.

I took an earlier idea for a similar system (that had a Quadro CAD card, different case) and changed some of the choices to those from your list. >

BambiBoom PixelPusher CadoGraphimatic iPlot Amdisty WalletJoyScream VII ™$#©™_7.5.13 REV 7.14 .13

1. AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8350FRHKBOX > $200

2. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler > $35.

3. GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard > $110

4. AMD Radeon RE1600 Entertainment Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory AE316G1609U2K CAS=9 > $112.

5. Asus GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card > $184.99

6. Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive > $90

7. SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply > $80

8. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $17.

9. Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case > $59.99

10. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM $140

_____________________________

TOTAL = $1030.


Cheers,

BambiBoom


[ Dell Precision T5400 > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16 GB ECC > Quadro. FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 / Segt Brcda 500GB > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit > AutoCad, Revit, Solidworks 2010, Sketchup Pro, Corel Technical Designer, Adobe. CS4 MC, WordP Office, MS Office

PS> For comparison, towards a very CAD-oriented system >

BambiBoom PixelDozer Cadagrapharific Blazomatic Modelrama IV ™$#©™_$7.6.13

1. Intel Xeon E3-1270 V2 Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 69W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80637E31270V2 > $344

2. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler > $35.

3. ASUS P8B WS LGA 1155 Intel C206 ATX Intel Xeon E3 Server/Workstation Motherboard > $230.

4. Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model KVR1333D3E9SK2/16G > $160.

5. NVIDIA Quadro K2000 VCQK2000-PB 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card $420.

6. OPT > SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD128BW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $150.

7. Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive > $90

8. SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply > $80

9. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $17.

10. LIAN LI PC-7HX Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $100.

11. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM $140


TOTAL= $1,650 > $1,796 w/ SSD
 
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Hey guys,

Thank you much for the quick responses and great advice. Definitely going to make some changes as to what you requested. My biggest concern needing affirmation is in CPU, Mobo and GPU. Being that there are so many options, the more I read the more I got lost. See please tell me what you think regarding:

CPU - i5-4670k (I know its not a big upgrade from the 3570k but it is the new socket)
vs.
FX-8350
for value at my price point is the FX-8350 a solid choice?

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)

GPU - In my situation do you think it would be wise to get two 1GB GPUs and SLI or Crossfire them compared to one 2GB drive? And for value is there any Radeon card that can compete with the GTX 660 that I chose above? Or for my needs is it Nvidia all day because of its CUDA cores? Reason I ask is if you think the FX-8350 cpu is the processor for me....if I can......preferably I would like to keep with the whole AMD/Radeon theme or Intel/Nvidia theme but when researching it seemed the AMD FX-8350 / Nvidia GTX 660 was perfect value for my needs? For example:

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($99.99 @ Microcenter)

Mobo - I remember reading somewhere that UD3 is better mobo than.....but i forgot? I think it started with a V and I believe the ASRock boards were designed this way. Sorry I am not more helpful with what I researched regarding mobo. But is someone willing to enlighten me on this subject or show me a link with a good article regarding this? Because I was lost before. Would the UD3 Gigabyte mobo above be a good choice? Or should I do away with the Crossfire/SLI capabilities and just stick with a single GPU in a better bang for buck Gigabyte UD3 board like what bambiboom suggested above?

Power Supply - Is 520 sufficient enough for a little future growth with upgrades or should I go 620W for $9 more but I do really like the power supply?

Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)

I believe once I have closure on ok this is my CPU, Mobo and GPU combo...then I can take it from there but these 3 items I really want to make sure I nail on a value build. Thank you for your time again guys and thank you very much!

,Brandon
 
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The i5 4670k should perform better for gaming and will drink less power than the 8350. However the FX is an 8 core (four modules, eight threads) processor and will be better optimized for workloads that rely on more than four cores, and its also less expensive. Either processor is a good choice for a multi-purpose PC.

For the GPU, I usually recommend getting a single card over an SLI/Xfire solution. It cuts down on noise and heat.
For which brand you want, it can be hard to choose because both companies have great offerings. The HD 7870 outperforms a GTX 660, but the new GTX 760 outperforms a 7870.

As for an AM3+ board, my personal favorite, is the Asus Sabertooth 990FX. I own one, and it's just fantastic. It's almost always in the top 3 on review websites for 990 chipsets, and for good reason.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131969

Also for a power supply, maybe give yourself a little head room, just in case you want to toy with overclocking. 750w should do it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139040
 
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SoIll,

The AMD FX 8350 8 core is definitely about the best CPU choice in terms of cost / performance. On Passmark CPU benchmarks, the 8350 is ranked No. 38, with a CPU score of 9127 and costs about $200. The i5-4760K is No. 80 CPU, score of 7565 for about $240.

Something that should be noted about both these CPU's is that the FX 8350 is not, 8-core in the same sense as an i7 or Xeon E5 which has hyperthreading. Hyperthreading gives an 8-core Xeon E5-2687w a total of 16 threads whereas the FX 8350 has eight. It's performance should be compared to something more like the i7-4770K which is 4-cores/ 8 threads (3.5 / 3.9, No 16, score =10141, $340) . Still the FX 8350 must utilize it's resources well to achieve the scores it does. The next best performing AMD CPU is the 8-core FX 8320 at No, 67 same story, lower clock speed.

I wouldn't fuss about this in particular, except that you will be doing renderings and one of the other untold stories of CPU comparison is the memory bandwidth which varies among CPU's considerably. The FX 8350 is rated at a bandwidth of 21 GB/s, and i5-4670K has a bandwidth of 25.6 GB/s. This is a difference of 18% , which of course works well for both CPU's. As this bandwidth is more or less the pipeline between CPU and RAM, it's quite important in processing tasks such as 3D modeling and rendering and which is why Xeon CPU's have a wider path- the older generation Xeon X5460 I use has a 32 GB/s specification. The i7-4770K by the way has a bandwidth of 25.6.

All this is leading to another suggestion that addresses all these aspects, and that is to recommend you consider the Xeon E5-1620 , 4-core / 8 Thread , 3.6 /3.9 GHz, which is CPU rated on Passmark No. 36 score = 9197 and costs about $300 >

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http://ark.intel.com/products/64621

> and you might notice, besides the very good clock speed of 3.6 /3.9- (the highest of any Xeon, along with Xeon E3-1290), in the ARK specification that the E5-1620 is hyperthreading- unlike both the i5- 4670 and FX 8350 and the Xeon E5- 1620 has a memory bandwidth double that of the i5 at 51.6 GB/s as well as 10MB cache. The fast cache is another aspect important to the memory path and high processing rates. The E5's 10 MB compares to the 8350 with 8MB and the 4670K with 6MB.

A final advocation for the E5-1620 is that it can use ECC RAM and uses LGA 2011 socket for which not only are there excellent motherboards, and looking towards the future, if you wanted more power, in a couple of years a used E5-1660 3.3 / 3.9, 15MB cache, 6-core / 12 thread (currently $1,090) may be plugged in - and hey man, that would be, like, serious rendering city man.

CPU > Intel Xeon Quad-Core Processor E5-1620 3.6GHz 5.0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011 CPU, OEM > $293.99

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?p=E5-1620&c=fr&pid=3770ac19b7573902fb81bb37f7ffdd8b35b5fc6d5233941c95564be50577fd37&gclid=CIyT_rG6sbgCFdGd4AodOGMAWg

Motherboard > ASRock X79 Extreme3 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $200

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157287

RAM > I still do feel that ECC error correcting RAM is necessary for artifact free rendering, but will also note that because of of the error correction, parity checks, it is a bit slower than non-ECC.

GPU > I also am a firm believer in Quadros / Firepros for workstations and if you do decide to go the Xeon route, have a look at the current feature this site >

"Workstation Graphics: 14 FirePro And Quadro Cards"

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493.html

> which shows gaming cards being sometimes very poor at workstation tasks. It would be worth plowing through the extensive tests in this article and compare the results to the applications that you use. As you will see, there are CUDA, Direct X, and Open GL oriented applications and different cards do well according to their specialty architecture.

One final suggestion in this direction.

BambiBoom PixelDozer Cadarendagrapharific Blazomatic Modelrama VI ™$#©™_$7.14.13

1. Intel Xeon Quad-Core Processor E5-1620 3.6GHz 5.0GT/s 10MB LGA 2011 CPU, OEM > $293.99

2. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler > $35.

3. ASRock X79 Extreme3 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard > $200

4. Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1333 Server Memory Model > $80.

5. GIGABYTE GV-N660OC-2GD GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card > $209.99

6. Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive > $90

7. SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply > $80

8. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $17.

9 LIAN LI PC-7HX Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $100.

10. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM $140


TOTAL= $1,245.99

Yes, over budget, but I believe a better performer and better long term investment that could extend it's useful life by years with CPU, GPU, and RAM changes additions (=lower cost per year of use).

As computer system reach for more performance, the more the hardware specialized and workstation and gaming / consumer systems go in different directions.

Cheers,

BambiBoom


 
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Bambiboom and Robnof,

You guys have been epic, cant thank you enough with your responses and super helpful information that has made me think long and hard (especially Bambibooms suggestion of going to a full Xeon setup). I have made some alterations to my parts list per your recommendations and in light of new deals presenting themself I may jump on them before they disappear...ie the power supply and video card i picked.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hhlZ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hhlZ/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1hhlZ/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($63.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $993.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-16 12:13 EDT-0400)

Notes regarding my choices:
- CPU: Main reason it took me a day or two to respond is because I thought long and hard about going to more the workstation route with this build. Choosing the Xeon processor and pretty much all the compliments to that build that Bambiboom suggested.

I choose the consumer route still because my computer at work, which I can utilize at times for personal use if I have a difficult rendering or such, is a full on pro workstation. With dual Xeon processors and FirePro video cards. That thing is a beast! So my direction here is since I have a full workstation computer at my disposal just at a different location for the difficult tasks I will just go utilize that hoss. For more minor design work and play time / gaming is what I think I want to take the direction of this build in. Reason being I have stuck with the FX-8350

- Mobo: after taking your suggestions I really dont need to Crossfire or SLI and just going to run a single gpu. So I have taken Bambibooms suggestion from earlier on the mobo.

Is there something about that Gigabyte UD3 design that trumps the ASRock design because I have seen a few builds where people are suggesting the UD3 over the ASRock? Thoughts?

- Memory: Here is the reason why my final price is so skewed. I have every intention to go all the way to 32GB of ram in the future. With the mobo having 4 slots I thought that it would be prudent for now to just buy one stick of 8gb and then soon down the future go 16, 24, 32. Unless there is a smarter reason to split your memory up amongst multiple sticks? Because if I buy 2 sticks of 4 with the intention of filling up that mobo with 32gb well then I kind of just threw away money because I will have to replace those two sticks or 4 with two 8's. So please help with this choice? Is it dumb to go a single stick of 8gb?

- Storage: I cant get over the affection for a SSD drive, Im like hooked and I cant change! But your suggestion Bambiboom was def pondered!

- Video Card: I read in many places that the CUDA cores in the NVidia cards may help in some cases on CAD and other design programs. So even if it a small advantage over AMD in this case im going with it. Plus the deal seems too good to pass up.

- Power Supply: I was going to go the Corsair route that Robnof suggested but then I found this deal that ends today.....eeeek. On the Seasonic FULLY MODULAR :) :) power supply. Hi 5!

- Last, heres some new news I just received from my brother. He may have a brand new version of Windows 7 Pro that he will just give me. Awesome, if so I will split the savings between going from 8gb of ram to 16gb and then also go to a blu ray optical drive. I dont have a blu ray player and the misses has some blu rays she would like to watch. So do you think this a good way of utilizing the savings or should I use it somewhere else? In maybe a better gpu? Or a better case?

Thanks a million guys this has been a learning experience and if you guys give me the thumbs up on most of this build parts are getting bought tonight :)!

,Brandon
 
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