first gaming build advice if possible

asdfghjklboy · Jul 14, 2013

Hello Toms Hardware Members
i am currently learning to build my first pc and would be like help if needed
as i am planning to future proof this as much as possible but not spending too
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/1gv9g
i am still deciding to choose the NZXT Phantom 410 or 530
any suggestions or advice would be nice
thanks in advance

coolguyrko · Jul 14, 2013

asdfghjklboy :

Just finished my own build. Intel Xeon is slightly worse than a i7 but is better than a i5. I don't think you can overclock it tho. Might be a CPU to consider. I went with the Radeon HD7950 as my GPU but that's because I built a gaming rig. Depends really on your budget and what you want to use the PC for

hizodge · Jul 14, 2013

If you want NZXT, I would most definitely get the Phantom 530. It's a much newer chassis and thus covers a great many flaws that the older Phantoms might've had. Other than that, there isn't a great deal to say about that build, it's good all around. Personally I would get Z87 motherboard and 4th gen core CPU but I can understand why people still go for 3rd gen very well if there's a notable difference in local pricing.

Your power supply is rather overkill for the build. It's a very high quality PSU make no doubt, and it can run high-end 2-way GPU setups without flinching and thus last you a long time, even the warranty is 7 years. But if you need to save some money, that's one place where it can be done.

Other than that, I'd really recommend getting the Swiftech H220 if you want a really good closed loop CPU cooler. Corsair H100i is fairly popular and a decent unit, but H220 has about 5 times better pump and that really shows in performance/silence in the end.

asdfghjklboy · Jul 14, 2013

coolguyrko :

im planning to overclock the cpu to 4+gHz and i want to run next gen games like crysis 3 and BF3 on at least high but thank you for your input

hizodge · Jul 14, 2013

coolguyrko :

Xeons aren't really designed for gaming, rather they are meant for multi-threaded apps. For gaming you'll want as much performance on 1-4 cores as possible depending on game.

Dasmit · Jul 14, 2013

If you want get the 530, The build is great, overclocking this to 4.5ghz shouldn't be a problem, good GPU choice, right behind titan on the benchmarks i've seen.

coolguyrko · Jul 14, 2013

asdfghjklboy :

coolguyrko :

im planning to overclock the cpu to 4+gHz and i want to run next gen games like crysis 3 and BF3 on at least high but thank you for your input

Well I'm running far cry 3 on ultra. No problems.

JackNaylorPE · Jul 14, 2013

Yeah there's alotta talk about Ivy Bridge being a better overclocker than Haswell but Sandy Bridge's overclocking advantage over IB is waaaay bigger ..... any argument that justifies IB over haswell justifies SB over IB. With 1155 socket a dead end, I just can't get behind a IB build these days ].

The H100 has a 1/2 degree C (50.5 vs 51.0) advantage over the better air coolers.....to my mind, that doesn't warrant the risk of water inside the PC but most of oil, the noise is just too much.

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro_series_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler,14.html

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro_series_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler,16.html

At 2600RPM, the H100 isn’t a quiet unit at all and similarly at 2000RPM, it can still be quite intrusive. In terms of performance per noise, high end air coolers from Phanteks, Noctua and Thermalright still reign supreme, contrary to Corsair’s own marketing. Like other ALC units, the H100 relies too much on high RPM fans for its performance when the goal of water cooling is generally for extreme performance at low noise levels.

The 860 *might* a bit tight if you planning to OC and SLI.....bit as long as ya don't fo for extreme OCs you shud be good. Id consider the HX850 also as it has better voltage regulation, lower ripple and is cheaper.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

Graphics Card Power (W) = 250 watts
Minimum Recommended System Power (W) = 650 watts

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_sc_acx_review,7.html

Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:

GeForce GTX 780 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.
GeForce GTX 780 2-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 800 Watt power supply unit as minimum.
GeForce GTX 780 3-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 1200 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

If you are going to overclock your GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina.

Finally, the Corsair 500R is better reviewed than the choices listed

asdfghjklboy · Jul 14, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

Yeah there's alotta talk about Ivy Bridge being a better overclocker than Haswell but Sandy Bridge's overclocking advantage over IB is waaaay bigger ..... any argument that justifies IB over haswell justifies SB over IB. With 1155 socket a dead end, I just can't get behind a IB build these days ].

The H100 has a 1/2 degree C (50.5 vs 51.0) advantage over the better air coolers.....to my mind, that doesn't warrant the risk of water inside the PC but most of oil, the noise is just too much.

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro_series_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler,14.html

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro_series_extreme_performance_liquid_cpu_cooler,16.html

At 2600RPM, the H100 isn’t a quiet unit at all and similarly at 2000RPM, it can still be quite intrusive. In terms of performance per noise, high end air coolers from Phanteks, Noctua and Thermalright still reign supreme, contrary to Corsair’s own marketing. Like other ALC units, the H100 relies too much on high RPM fans for its performance when the goal of water cooling is generally for extreme performance at low noise levels.

The 860 *might* a bit tight if you planning to OC and SLI.....bit as long as ya don't fo for extreme OCs you shud be good. Id consider the HX850 also as it has better voltage regulation, lower ripple and is cheaper.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-780/specifications

Graphics Card Power (W) = 250 watts
Minimum Recommended System Power (W) = 650 watts

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_sc_acx_review,7.html

Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:

GeForce GTX 780 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.
GeForce GTX 780 2-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 800 Watt power supply unit as minimum.
GeForce GTX 780 3-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have a 1200 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

If you are going to overclock your GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina.

Finally, the Corsair 500R is better reviewed than the choices listed

thanks for all the info, but what do you think about the Asrock z77 or a z87?

Zynch · Jul 14, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

You mentioned the noise issues of the H100, these noise issues are avoidable; you can always replace the default fans for quieter ones, such as a set of noctua's or even corsairs own quiet edition.
On the other side of things if you weren't bothered about noise you could go for some thermalright silver arrow (similar) fans - they have 130cfm which would work great with the cooler.
I would agree with you though, air cooling is cheaper and doesn't cool much lesser than water but air is bigger and water is generally smaller. I wanted to go air in my case but air was far to large to fit, instead i went with a H60 and upgraded the fan.

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