PC being built by someone else, advice and suggestions on gpu mainly but also cpu mobo etc
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:00:00 AM
Hey there guys this is my first post here but i feel like its the best place to ask questions
i have been doing a bit of reasearch over the past week and i usualy find myself being linked to this site where i have found very valuable information!!
So here goes.
first off i would just to list the build that i have chosen so far. i am paying it off over a 6 week period so the option to change components is still available and id like to know if this sounds like something worth buying and, will it last for a while/give me the option to upgrade in the future without too much hassle.
im planning on WIN764bit and still tossing up between home premium with a max of 16gb or professional to give me full ram capabilities (do i really need more then 16gb ram for an average home/gaming pc??)
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
http://www.gigabyte.co.nz/products/product-page.aspx?pi...
CPU: i5 4670 3.4GHz 6MB LGA1150 (from what i understand i can only overclock if i get a k series, but is there really any need for overclocking?)
Ram: 16gb Kingston (do i need this much or should i just use 8gb and put funds somewhere else)
HDD: 2tb Seagate sata3
Case: Coolermaster k280
PSU: Acbel 550w 600w Max
i am also thinking of getting a coolermaster evo 212 as it was recommended on one of the threads here
Here comes my other main question.
what should i do for a gpu
currently it is to come with a Sapphire HD7770 GHZ EDITION 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E Video card , 128Bit ,1000MHz / 1125MHz
however while chatting with someone last night they brought up the fact the the ati 7000 series has an underlying problem that causes many issues with the cards including crashing, artifacts and pink/grey screens, and there is no real pattern they just work fine and then fail. a little bit of research has proved that many people have had this problem, there was even a thread on this forum about it
personally in my average gaming experience i have always preferred nvidia cards (not that iv had the option to test a whole lot of whats avaiable out there)but this time i was gonna give ati a try
if i look within the current price range of hd7770 i don' t really have a whole lot of options on the other side of the fence.
*Gigabyte GF GTX 650 OC EDITION DDR5
*EVGA GeForce GTX650 1GB
*ASUS GTX650-DC-1GD5 PCIE
*ASUS GT630-2GD3 PCIE
OR
i could just use the integrated 4600 (will it be any good for gaming at all say, counterstrike source) and save up a bit extra for something like
*GTX660 OC 2gb DDR5 Factory Overclocked Graphics Card (with metro last night)
*EVGA GeForce GTX 660 SC version 2GB 192bit GDDR5
*Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti OC 2GB
*Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB
Sorry guys i know this is a mammoth post,
but thanks in advance for all your advice!!
Liam
i have been doing a bit of reasearch over the past week and i usualy find myself being linked to this site where i have found very valuable information!!
So here goes.
first off i would just to list the build that i have chosen so far. i am paying it off over a 6 week period so the option to change components is still available and id like to know if this sounds like something worth buying and, will it last for a while/give me the option to upgrade in the future without too much hassle.
im planning on WIN764bit and still tossing up between home premium with a max of 16gb or professional to give me full ram capabilities (do i really need more then 16gb ram for an average home/gaming pc??)
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
http://www.gigabyte.co.nz/products/product-page.aspx?pi...
CPU: i5 4670 3.4GHz 6MB LGA1150 (from what i understand i can only overclock if i get a k series, but is there really any need for overclocking?)
Ram: 16gb Kingston (do i need this much or should i just use 8gb and put funds somewhere else)
HDD: 2tb Seagate sata3
Case: Coolermaster k280
PSU: Acbel 550w 600w Max
i am also thinking of getting a coolermaster evo 212 as it was recommended on one of the threads here
Here comes my other main question.
what should i do for a gpu
currently it is to come with a Sapphire HD7770 GHZ EDITION 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E Video card , 128Bit ,1000MHz / 1125MHz
however while chatting with someone last night they brought up the fact the the ati 7000 series has an underlying problem that causes many issues with the cards including crashing, artifacts and pink/grey screens, and there is no real pattern they just work fine and then fail. a little bit of research has proved that many people have had this problem, there was even a thread on this forum about it
personally in my average gaming experience i have always preferred nvidia cards (not that iv had the option to test a whole lot of whats avaiable out there)but this time i was gonna give ati a try
if i look within the current price range of hd7770 i don' t really have a whole lot of options on the other side of the fence.
*Gigabyte GF GTX 650 OC EDITION DDR5
*EVGA GeForce GTX650 1GB
*ASUS GTX650-DC-1GD5 PCIE
*ASUS GT630-2GD3 PCIE
OR
i could just use the integrated 4600 (will it be any good for gaming at all say, counterstrike source) and save up a bit extra for something like
*GTX660 OC 2gb DDR5 Factory Overclocked Graphics Card (with metro last night)
*EVGA GeForce GTX 660 SC version 2GB 192bit GDDR5
*Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti OC 2GB
*Asus GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB
Sorry guys i know this is a mammoth post,
but thanks in advance for all your advice!!
Liam
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 2:18:08 AM
First off did you already buy it? Second if you didn't buy it yet what is your price range? If you aren't overclocking then you really don't need the CM hyper 212 (Only necessary when OC your CPU).
I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:28:53 AM
Rhavi Marques said:
no need for aftermarket cpu cooler if you're not overclocking, 16gb is too much, get 2x4 instead, does the 660 fit in the budget now?actually the aftermarket cooler was outside of budget but its only 50bux, and i wouldnt think that downgrading to 8gb will change much in the way of total price
can you briefly explain why i dont need 16gb of ram, i was always under the impression that more is better
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 2:33:04 AM
Liam Joyce said:
Rhavi Marques said:
no need for aftermarket cpu cooler if you're not overclocking, 16gb is too much, get 2x4 instead, does the 660 fit in the budget now?actually the aftermarket cooler was outside of budget but its only 50bux, and i wouldnt think that downgrading to 8gb will change much in the way of total price
can you briefly explain why i dont need 16gb of ram, i was always under the impression that more is better
faster is better, not more, RAM is where the active programs are stored, for gaming, the biggest and most demanding games out there would rarely use more then 6gbs of RAM. so unless you're into video editing or rendering, more then 8 is overkill.
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:35:36 AM
fnatic said:
First off did you already buy it? Second if you didn't buy it yet what is your price range? If you aren't overclocking then you really don't need the CM hyper 212 (Only necessary when OC your CPU).I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
no i havent bought it, i still have the option to change everything, its costing me about 1200 NZD, i wouldnt really want to go any higher then that at this point
im kinda limited to whatever this perosn is selling so changing the mobo would be a bit rude i think? lol anythign better is going to cost me more as well
im not really looking to chnage the mobo/cpu side of things just wondering if its a good choice
currently i am using an asus 512mb 9500gt .. haha so im assuming that most things will give me a better experience then this although i get about 60fps in css
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 2:39:50 AM
Liam Joyce said:
fnatic said:
First off did you already buy it? Second if you didn't buy it yet what is your price range? If you aren't overclocking then you really don't need the CM hyper 212 (Only necessary when OC your CPU).I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
no i havent bought it, i still have the option to change everything, its costing me about 1200 NZD, i wouldnt really want to go any higher then that at this point
im kinda limited to whatever this perosn is selling so changing the mobo would be a bit rude i think? lol anythign better is going to cost me more as well
im not really looking to chnage the mobo/cpu side of things just wondering if its a good choice
currently i am using an asus 512mb 9500gt .. haha so im assuming that most things will give me a better experience then this although i get about 60fps in css
if you're really into the budget thing, get an FX instead of the i5, intel isnt price friendly.
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:49:43 AM
Rhavi Marques said:
Liam Joyce said:
Rhavi Marques said:
no need for aftermarket cpu cooler if you're not overclocking, 16gb is too much, get 2x4 instead, does the 660 fit in the budget now?actually the aftermarket cooler was outside of budget but its only 50bux, and i wouldnt think that downgrading to 8gb will change much in the way of total price
can you briefly explain why i dont need 16gb of ram, i was always under the impression that more is better
faster is better, not more, RAM is where the active programs are stored, for gaming, the biggest and most demanding games out there would rarely use more then 6gbs of RAM. so unless you're into video editing or rendering, more then 8 is overkill.
ok thanks for clearing that up
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:50:34 AM
Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:53:55 AM
Rhavi Marques said:
Liam Joyce said:
fnatic said:
First off did you already buy it? Second if you didn't buy it yet what is your price range? If you aren't overclocking then you really don't need the CM hyper 212 (Only necessary when OC your CPU).I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
no i havent bought it, i still have the option to change everything, its costing me about 1200 NZD, i wouldnt really want to go any higher then that at this point
im kinda limited to whatever this perosn is selling so changing the mobo would be a bit rude i think? lol anythign better is going to cost me more as well
im not really looking to chnage the mobo/cpu side of things just wondering if its a good choice
currently i am using an asus 512mb 9500gt .. haha so im assuming that most things will give me a better experience then this although i get about 60fps in css
if you're really into the budget thing, get an FX instead of the i5, intel isnt price friendly.
so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel
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http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1gQoZ
I put this together based on your prices. (fyi your country is expensive lol). It goes About 100 over what you're currently spending but gives you A LOT MORE. You can OC, better GPU, better memory, better PSU etc...
I put this together based on your prices. (fyi your country is expensive lol). It goes About 100 over what you're currently spending but gives you A LOT MORE. You can OC, better GPU, better memory, better PSU etc...
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 2:59:06 AM
fnatic said:
http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/1gQoZI put this together based on your prices. (fyi your country is expensive lol). It goes About 100 over what you're currently spending but gives you A LOT MORE. You can OC, better GPU, better memory, better PSU etc...
i know our country is expensive lol im sick of it!!
check out this link its about the same price as my current choice what do you think
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/desktops/no-monitor/...
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 3:08:14 AM
fnatic said:
It's not to bad. I'm not a fan of AMD and have very little experience with them. Rest doesn't look too bad though.thats kinda why i went for the i5 4670 .. cause personally i prefer intel but i don't really have a specific reason why.. although it seems going amd does take a huge bite out of the price and adds more important things in places that would help for gaming
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 3:12:46 AM
Liam Joyce said:
Rhavi Marques said:
Liam Joyce said:
fnatic said:
First off did you already buy it? Second if you didn't buy it yet what is your price range? If you aren't overclocking then you really don't need the CM hyper 212 (Only necessary when OC your CPU).I would get a new PSU. Corsair, seasonic at least rated bronze 80.
I'd change the case to a cooler master HAF 912, 922, X etc..
As for the MB - MSI Z87-G41
As for the GPU it's not the worst thing to have but.. it won't be playing any games on high. Your integrated GPU will be very bad. Short answer no to CS without having really low FPS. I'd take the 7770 if that's all you can afford now and save up.
Overclocking is more of a neat thing to tinker around with and really boost up your CPU. I'd pay the extra 20 bucks for it time and time again.
no i havent bought it, i still have the option to change everything, its costing me about 1200 NZD, i wouldnt really want to go any higher then that at this point
im kinda limited to whatever this perosn is selling so changing the mobo would be a bit rude i think? lol anythign better is going to cost me more as well
im not really looking to chnage the mobo/cpu side of things just wondering if its a good choice
currently i am using an asus 512mb 9500gt .. haha so im assuming that most things will give me a better experience then this although i get about 60fps in css
if you're really into the budget thing, get an FX instead of the i5, intel isnt price friendly.
so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel
nope, i5/i7 arnt necessarily the best at all. the fx-8350 and 8320 are great processors, i just bought one myself after seeing a benchmark video of it beating the all-famous i5 by a very wide margin on a ton of games, the game it didnt beat, it lost by 0.5 fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this was the video infact, i recommend watching it even if you dont go with it.
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 3:14:32 AM
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so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel [/quotemsg]
nope, i5/i7 arnt necessarily the best at all. the fx-8350 and 8320 are great processors, i just bought one myself after seeing a benchmark video of it beating the all-famous i5 by a very wide margin on a ton of games, the game it didnt beat, it lost by 0.5 fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this was the video infact, i recommend watching it even if you dont go with it.[/quotemsg]
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/desktops/no-monitor/...
whats your opinion on this setup? more up my alley?
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 3:24:45 AM
Liam Joyce said:
so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel [/quotemsg]
nope, i5/i7 arnt necessarily the best at all. the fx-8350 and 8320 are great processors, i just bought one myself after seeing a benchmark video of it beating the all-famous i5 by a very wide margin on a ton of games, the game it didnt beat, it lost by 0.5 fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this was the video infact, i recommend watching it even if you dont go with it.[/quotemsg]
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/desktops/no-monitor/...
whats your opinion on this setup? more up my alley?[/quotemsg]
something like that, yeah, 16gbs of ram is still overkill, but very nice, although i think everyone here would recommend you buy parts and build it yourself
little jelous as i bought the 8320 myself. (but plan to overclock it to 8350 speed)
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Liam Joyce
July 15, 2013 3:34:22 AM
Rhavi Marques said:
Liam Joyce said:
so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel
nope, i5/i7 arnt necessarily the best at all. the fx-8350 and 8320 are great processors, i just bought one myself after seeing a benchmark video of it beating the all-famous i5 by a very wide margin on a ton of games, the game it didnt beat, it lost by 0.5 fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this was the video infact, i recommend watching it even if you dont go with it.[/quotemsg]
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/desktops/no-monitor/...
whats your opinion on this setup? more up my alley?[/quotemsg]
something like that, yeah, 16gbs of ram is still overkill, but very nice, although i think everyone here would recommend you buy parts and build it yourself
little jelous as i bought the 8320 myself. (but plan to overclock it to 8350 speed)
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i would like to build it myself however,
1) i have already clicked buy now on the auction therefore committing myself to buying a product from this person
and
2) i would feel much more comfortable with a professional doing it, i like to think i know a fair bit about pcs but the truth is there is a shit load i don't know haha. one of my last pcs i had was i think an intel core duo ... i went into the bios and changed the ram from passive to aggressive for no real reason i was just playing around,
and kissed that computer goodbye forever haha ,
perhaps i can downgrade to 8gb of better ram eg g.skil or maybe upgrade the psu
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Rhavi Marques
July 15, 2013 9:43:08 AM
Liam Joyce said:
Rhavi Marques said:
Liam Joyce said:
so i5/i7 arent necessarily the best?? i mean an fx does seem to be more bang for buck from what i can see .. but ive just always had intel
nope, i5/i7 arnt necessarily the best at all. the fx-8350 and 8320 are great processors, i just bought one myself after seeing a benchmark video of it beating the all-famous i5 by a very wide margin on a ton of games, the game it didnt beat, it lost by 0.5 fps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE this was the video infact, i recommend watching it even if you dont go with it.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/desktops/no-monitor/...
whats your opinion on this setup? more up my alley?[/quotemsg]
something like that, yeah, 16gbs of ram is still overkill, but very nice, although i think everyone here would recommend you buy parts and build it yourself
little jelous as i bought the 8320 myself. (but plan to overclock it to 8350 speed)
[/quotemsg]
i would like to build it myself however,
1) i have already clicked buy now on the auction therefore committing myself to buying a product from this person
and
2) i would feel much more comfortable with a professional doing it, i like to think i know a fair bit about pcs but the truth is there is a shit load i don't know haha. one of my last pcs i had was i think an intel core duo ... i went into the bios and changed the ram from passive to aggressive for no real reason i was just playing around,
and kissed that computer goodbye forever haha ,
perhaps i can downgrade to 8gb of better ram eg g.skil or maybe upgrade the psu[/quotemsg]
congrats on the purchase, i know how you feel, i've done a fair ammount of screwing up.
i dont think you'd notice much difference in switching between ram brands, and once you have 16gb, why bother with it, right? the psu would only need upgrading if you add a second graphics card, or something, that is a very good computer, maybe just save up and get a 700/800 series in a few months or so would be the only thing i'd change on it, good luck!
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Liam Joyce
July 16, 2013 3:51:54 PM
iv still done alot more research and its still a very hard decscsion but the fx 8350 with gtx 660 is definately winning the battle.. one more question. is there any benefit/downfall in
CPU/GPU
AMD/NVIDIA
AMD/ATI
INTEL/NVIDIA
INTEL/ATI
personlly i want an nvidia card cause physx adds richness to gameplay.. so will there be any benefit if i go with the gtx 660 on the i5 or is there no real difference
(might i add that an i5 4670k with a gtx 660 is about 300 bux more expensive that the fx 8350 so kinda going over budget) but price aside
is intel plus nvidia a better combo then amd + nvidia or is that myth
CPU/GPU
AMD/NVIDIA
AMD/ATI
INTEL/NVIDIA
INTEL/ATI
personlly i want an nvidia card cause physx adds richness to gameplay.. so will there be any benefit if i go with the gtx 660 on the i5 or is there no real difference
(might i add that an i5 4670k with a gtx 660 is about 300 bux more expensive that the fx 8350 so kinda going over budget) but price aside
is intel plus nvidia a better combo then amd + nvidia or is that myth
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Liam Joyce
July 17, 2013 9:28:32 AM
fnatic said:
Very few games actually use physx to be honest. The combo doesn't really matter both work well. One doesn't sync better than the other. lol i actually started a new thread because i wasnt sure if this would still be visited being tagged as solved. haha and this was the most stright ot the point answer i got!
regardless of the few games that use phsyx. they r the games i want to play !
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