A10-6800K 8670D + 7750 (Dual Graphics) VS FX-8350 + Nvida 650 ti
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LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster
July 18, 2013 7:54:47 AM
Hello all. I'm looking at two different builds here. I have a budget of about $600. (I can squeeze up to $700 if I must. However, I prefer not to.) I already have an OS (W8 Pro if that helps decisions). I'm not too picky when it comes to AMD vs Intel and any comments would be fantastic. I'm interested in some medium-heavy gaming. I use a 1920x1080 monitor, however, I run most of my games in windowed mode around 1024x768. These games consist of the occasional Skyrim, some Torchlight 2, Terarria. Nothing too fancy. I don't care about model quality, however, I want my view distance set a max. I like see the wolf hidden by the tree before I stroll on by it and the model renders. I multitask quite a bit. I'll have the game open on one side of my screen, skype on another, usually 6 browser tabs at a time (Yes, I'm that person.) I am open to rebated items, however, the likelihood of my remembering to fill them out is very low. Please consider normal pricing for the rig and ignoring any rebates unless they are too good to pass up.
I've been looking at parts and DIY bundle deals. I have found two bundle deals similar to the parts I was going to purchase anyways. I have created the pcpartpicker.com groupings of them.
I would say my main question is about the difference between the dual graphics mode using the new options from AMD vs using an older dedicated card with an actual processor. Also, if anyone has an idea for an intel build that blows either of these away I would like hearing about it.
A10-6800k + 7750 Build $580 This is about the price if the parts were bought separately. This includes the price of the PSU below and selling of the corsair ram to a friend of mine.
For some reason the PSU was not in the list for pcpartpicker. So I have listed it here.
Rosewill Stallion Series RD600 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $54.99
This entry is the newegg bundle currently available.
A10-6800k Newegg Bundle Deal $455 Add $100 for the GPU
Here is my FX-8150 Build.
FX-8150 + GTX 650 Ti Roughly $615
I added in an alternate mobo in that build. I don't particularly care for that uATX board. However, if the public says its fine, I will trust you.
Here is the newegg bundle.
FX-8150 $471 Add $100 for the GPU.
Ram will not be upgraded in the FX build as it will not benefit as much as the APU build does.
I've been looking at parts and DIY bundle deals. I have found two bundle deals similar to the parts I was going to purchase anyways. I have created the pcpartpicker.com groupings of them.
I would say my main question is about the difference between the dual graphics mode using the new options from AMD vs using an older dedicated card with an actual processor. Also, if anyone has an idea for an intel build that blows either of these away I would like hearing about it.
A10-6800k + 7750 Build $580 This is about the price if the parts were bought separately. This includes the price of the PSU below and selling of the corsair ram to a friend of mine.
For some reason the PSU was not in the list for pcpartpicker. So I have listed it here.
Rosewill Stallion Series RD600 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $54.99
This entry is the newegg bundle currently available.
A10-6800k Newegg Bundle Deal $455 Add $100 for the GPU
Here is my FX-8150 Build.
FX-8150 + GTX 650 Ti Roughly $615
I added in an alternate mobo in that build. I don't particularly care for that uATX board. However, if the public says its fine, I will trust you.
Here is the newegg bundle.
FX-8150 $471 Add $100 for the GPU.
Ram will not be upgraded in the FX build as it will not benefit as much as the APU build does.
More about : a10 6800k 8670d 7750 dual graphics 8350 nvida 650
haider95
July 18, 2013 8:00:56 AM
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Hello all. I'm looking at two different builds here. I have a budget of about $600. (I can squeeze up to $700 if I must. However, I prefer not to.) I already have an OS (W8 Pro if that helps decisions). I'm not too picky when it comes to AMD vs Intel and any comments would be fantastic. I'm interested in some medium-heavy gaming. I use a 1920x1080 monitor, however, I run most of my games in windowed mode around 1024x768. These games consist of the occasional Skyrim, some Torchlight 2, Terarria. Nothing too fancy. I don't care about model quality, however, I want my view distance set a max. I like see the wolf hidden by the tree before I stroll on by it and the model renders. I multitask quite a bit. I'll have the game open on one side of my screen, skype on another, usually 6 browser tabs at a time (Yes, I'm that person.) I am open to rebated items, however, the likelihood of my remembering to fill them out is very low. Please consider normal pricing for the rig and ignoring any rebates unless they are too good to pass up.I've been looking at parts and DIY bundle deals. I have found two bundle deals similar to the parts I was going to purchase anyways. I have created the pcpartpicker.com groupings of them.
I would say my main question is about the difference between the dual graphics mode using the new options from AMD vs using an older dedicated card with an actual processor. Also, if anyone has an idea for an intel build that blows either of these away I would like hearing about it.
A10-6800k + 7750 Build $580 This is about the price if the parts were bought separately. This includes the price of the PSU below and selling of the corsair ram to a friend of mine.
For some reason the PSU was not in the list for pcpartpicker. So I have listed it here.
Rosewill Stallion Series RD600 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply $54.99
This entry is the newegg bundle currently available.
A10-6800k Newegg Bundle Deal $455 Add $100 for the GPU
Here is my FX-8150 Build.
FX-8150 + GTX 650 Ti Roughly $615
I added in an alternate mobo in that build. I don't particularly care for that uATX board. However, if the public says its fine, I will trust you.
Here is the newegg bundle.
FX-8150 $471 Add $100 for the GPU.
Ram will not be upgraded in the FX build as it will not benefit as much as the APU build does.
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
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JefferyD90
July 18, 2013 8:01:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_YZx90jfUo
This is my 7750 (it is a ASUS) and the A10 CPU is MUCH better than the CPU I have on this machine. So you go figure for yourself
This is my 7750 (it is a ASUS) and the A10 CPU is MUCH better than the CPU I have on this machine. So you go figure for yourself
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LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster
July 18, 2013 8:17:39 AM
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future. said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
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LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.[/msgquoted said:
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.]Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.
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JefferyD90
July 18, 2013 8:45:11 AM
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster
July 18, 2013 8:56:00 AM
JefferyD90
July 18, 2013 9:02:40 AM
OcelotRex
July 18, 2013 9:03:34 AM
Given your options the the bundles I would go with the FX-8350 and the 650Ti. However, Newegg has an excellent deal on a MSI 650 Ti Boost 2GB for 134.99 after MIR. That would be the one I would suggest though admittedly it's a little overkill at the windowed resolution you play at.
That card offers a 24% performance bump on a reference 650 Ti at 1280x800 for only 29% ($30) more and should remain viable longer:

Should you decide to go fullscreen at any point the Boost model carries a 29% increase in performance:
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haider95
July 18, 2013 10:09:54 AM
Maxime506 said:
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.[/msgquoted said:
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.]Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.[/msgquoted]
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out
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JefferyD90
July 18, 2013 10:27:11 AM
haider95 said:
Maxime506 said:
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.[/msgquoted said:
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out]Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.[/msgquoted]
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out[/msgquoted]
Please go on to explain how my quote has anything to do with your statement?
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haider95
July 18, 2013 10:41:02 AM
JefferyD90 said:
haider95 said:
Maxime506 said:
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.[/msgquoted said:
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out
Please go on to explain how my quote has anything to do with your statement?]Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.[/msgquoted]
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out[/msgquoted]
Please go on to explain how my quote has anything to do with your statement?[/msgquoted]
I'm sorry. I was trying to quote maxime's answer.
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haider95
July 18, 2013 10:41:03 AM
JefferyD90 said:
haider95 said:
Maxime506 said:
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.[/msgquoted said:
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out
Please go on to explain how my quote has anything to do with your statement?]Get the FX-8350 and the 650ti. Even with the APU in dual graphics with the HD7750 it won't perform nearly as well as a 650ti. Not to mention the APU as a processor is not too good whereas the 8350 has 8 cores at high frequencies which will ensure better fps in games in the coming future.
My biggest concern with the 8350 was actually the 8 cores it has. I know that, although workable, most applications or games are designed for a dual or quad core structure. I've read that this situation can reduce productivity of the CPU. Does this alter the situation a little? Or, is it still better despite that.
In your budget and according to the reviews, I think getting a FX-6300 (Which is merely $120) and a HD 7850/7870 would be better. GTX 650 ti might be a little bit weak and there is no need of 8 cores in gaming.[/msgquoted]
LongTimeReaderFirstTimePoster said:
JefferyD90 said:
No one even looked at my video... lol the 7750 is MORE than legit for gamingI've seen the 7750 for gaming wise
. I'm just more curious how it works in the dual graphics setup than a standalone card.Wrong. 8 cores in gaming would be necessary for good fps when next gen hits. Battlefield 4 uses 8 cores so does crysis 3. With next gen games being created with the idea of the consoles having an 8 core processor the fx 8350 would be the best option. Sure the latest games take advantage of only 4 cores but im talking about 4-5 months down the line when XBOX1 and PS4 come out[/msgquoted]
Please go on to explain how my quote has anything to do with your statement?[/msgquoted]
I'm sorry. I was trying to quote maxime's answer.
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Well even if these new gen games, I think, hit the market and will use up to 8 cores, it will be the next-gen 8 cores CPU or 8 logical cores CPU to handle them. I just trying to state that nowadays games uses only up to 4 cores effectively and FX-8350 can handle multi tasks but not so good in games 'cause games won't use so much.
But since in the budget only FX-6300 sells with a good price. 965 BE is strong but has the OC gap. FX-4300 just doesn't deserve the price (It should be $30-50 cheaper than FX-6300). i5 4-cores CPU are expensive and i3 has only 2 cores. (4 logical processors won't beat 4 or 6 physical processors esp. FX- has unlocked multipliers and higher freq.) So by $40-60 cheaper and only 2 cores less than FX-8320/8350 I would recommend 6300. And so the guy who wants to build his rig may spare more money on graphics.
And putting APU for intensive gaming isn't a good idea. And using Dual Graphic on desktop may cause some lagging issues (laptops' D.G. is a good bundle though). I know that you guys are trying to persuade him not to buy APU but has different thought. I respect that. But just don't turn a discussion into war. I love warfare in games but not in a forum, that's not I want. :<
But since in the budget only FX-6300 sells with a good price. 965 BE is strong but has the OC gap. FX-4300 just doesn't deserve the price (It should be $30-50 cheaper than FX-6300). i5 4-cores CPU are expensive and i3 has only 2 cores. (4 logical processors won't beat 4 or 6 physical processors esp. FX- has unlocked multipliers and higher freq.) So by $40-60 cheaper and only 2 cores less than FX-8320/8350 I would recommend 6300. And so the guy who wants to build his rig may spare more money on graphics.
And putting APU for intensive gaming isn't a good idea. And using Dual Graphic on desktop may cause some lagging issues (laptops' D.G. is a good bundle though). I know that you guys are trying to persuade him not to buy APU but has different thought. I respect that. But just don't turn a discussion into war. I love warfare in games but not in a forum, that's not I want. :<
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