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July 18, 2013 9:58:42 AM

Hello i have made some posts about fx-8350 vs intel cpu's but now when haswell is out how much better is it then the fx-8350 mostly only in games and some burning cd's and convert file formats but mainly for games.

I have the fx-4100 atm and its like a bottleneck for my computer i am happy with it its not that it sucks but its not that good compared to intel's i5 3570k or the new haswell.

so would it be better for me to get the new intel i5 over the fx-8350 or would i have any benefits from an i7 now/ in future in games and some applications dont think about the price now just tell me the benefits i would maybe have of a i7 over an i5 even when i like only hardcore game and i know hypherthreting is not really used in games.

My Mobo is pretty good and it would be a litle waste to change it to get a intel cpu but i would most likley build a second comp for my gf with it then have some other extra parts too and would use my old fx-4100 in that then. So tell me if its worth changing mobo and go intel i5/i7 haswell over amd-fx8350 that would it be a huge boost in fps and so in games over the fx-4100.

Or would it be better to wait for broadway and steamroller that should come out at the end of this year / begining of next year would it give me better value for my money as they would be more of a performance increase?

Spec:

cpu: amd fx-4100
mobo: asus m5a99x evo
ram: kingston 16gb 1333 mhz 4x4 gb sticks
gpu: Gigabyte radeon HD 7970 oc 1000 mhz
storage: 120 gb ssd 60x2 ocz and 1tb normal hdd
cooler: antec kuhler 620
case: fractal design core 3000
psu: 730w thermaltake SP-730AH2NH
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July 18, 2013 10:00:58 AM

i5 is better for gaming. FX 8350 is better for computer design, like 3D modelling etc.

i7 isn't worth the extra cost.

So,

If you're gaming, get the i5.

If you're a designer, get the 8350.

If you're crazy, get the i7 :p 
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July 18, 2013 10:39:47 AM

JRAtk94 said:
i5 is better for gaming. FX 8350 is better for computer design, like 3D modelling etc.

i7 isn't worth the extra cost.

So,

If you're gaming, get the i5.

If you're a designer, get the 8350.

If you're crazy, get the i7 :p 


yea i know but how much better is it over the fx-8350 and is it really worth it as would it be such a big increase in performance that it would be worth to change mobo and cpu that i know it will own the fx-4100 and be so much better
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July 18, 2013 10:42:35 AM

The 8350 is a nice leap from the 4100.
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July 18, 2013 10:45:16 AM

you already have a amd board. it make more sense for you to get a FX 8xxx or wait out for steamroller.

if money is not a issue, get a i5, but you will see the same kind of performance as the FX 8core, differential in FRAPS only.
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July 18, 2013 10:47:23 AM

Thanatos Telos said:
The 8350 is a nice leap from the 4100.

yea i know that i have read many good reviews and so on it but i want like the best for gaming but i want to have like a noticable difference not just like 5 fps or 0,1 sec faster in some apps and i know that if i whould go to a i5 haswell it would be a really big difference but then i would need to change the mobo too and is there really that much of a difference between the i5 and the fx 8350 in games ot would it be better to just wait for brodway and steamroller since im not in a hurry to change i just wanan uppgrade my fx-4100 since its the bottleneck in my comp even when i can run most games and programs fine

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July 18, 2013 10:47:45 AM

I'll tell you the same thing I tell intel guys asking about the FX CPUs:

They are SO CLOSE is is NOT worth the money to change platforms.

Slap an FX 8350 in your board and you'll be fine.


Also, saying 'the i5 is better for gaming' is old information. With newer titles able to use 6+ cores the 8350 is able to tie or even beat the i5 and i7 in some titles.

Sources: TekSyndicate, NCIX Tech Tips, Legit Reviews, Hardware Info, Hardware Kanucks, Actrons YouTube vid of an OLD FX 6100 (slow bulldozer) -vs- i7 3770k in BF3.

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July 18, 2013 10:48:55 AM

Thanatos Telos said:
The 8350 is a nice leap from the 4100.

yea i know that i have read many good reviews and so on it but i want like the best for gaming but i want to have like a noticable difference not just like 5 fps or 0,1 sec faster in some apps and i know that if i whould go to a i5 haswell it would be a really big difference but then i would need to change the mobo too and is there really that much of a difference between the i5 and the fx 8350 in games ot would it be better to just wait for brodway and steamroller since im not in a hurry to change i just wanan uppgrade my fx-4100 since its the bottleneck in my comp even when i can run most games and programs fine
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July 18, 2013 11:11:07 AM

AMD 8350 is usually around $180-200 while the i5-4670k is around $220+. I snagged a 4670k from TigerDirect for 199.99 with no rebate the other day, in terms of gaming performance it's much better than the 8350 even more at that price point
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July 18, 2013 11:13:57 AM

sbudbud said:
AMD 8350 is usually around $180-200 while the i5-4670k is around $220+. I snagged a 4670k from TigerDirect for 199.99 with no rebate the other day, in terms of gaming performance it's much better than the 8350 even more at that price point


please let me know how this is possible :) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV2Voo5h3eU
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July 18, 2013 11:28:15 AM

I do apologise - I didn't realise this was an upgrade, I thought it was for a new build.

If you're already on AMD, it's best to stick with them - much cheaper too.
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July 18, 2013 11:43:48 AM

JRAtk94 said:
I do apologise - I didn't realise this was an upgrade, I thought it was for a new build.

If you're already on AMD, it's best to stick with them - much cheaper too.

yea this is a upgrade i have all the parts listed in this post already.
so you would say i would be happy with the fx-8350 and wont regret later that i dident choose the intel i5 haswell as for games mostly as my gpu gigabyte 7970 1ghz edition handle most the games when the cpu helps of course as my fx-4100 bottlenecks it so the fx-8350 is the best choice and wont be that much slower / lower fps in games?

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July 18, 2013 12:12:20 PM

I will tell you my experience before I upgraded my 1100T:

I have a friend of mine who is one of those "fair weather" kind of guys...

Whatever sports team is winning is his favorite, whatever CPU is "fastest" is his choice...so he built a $2500 3570k Rig and tried to get me to buy one.

We were at a LAN party, and one of the other guys had built a $1300 8350 Rig. I sat down and played several games on both machines for a good hour each to see what I thought.

I like AMD as it is, but there was no perceptible difference sure FRAPS said one was doing 78.9 FPS and the other was doing 81.3 FPS...but you couldn't tell the difference.

I will say, that the frustration on the guy who built the $2500 Rig was mounting...you could see it in his face...when he saw the $1300 AMD Rig with the 8350 was keeping pace. So, I bought the 8350, and built a system for $1100 that keeps up with both the others...(I was a tad more patient and waited for a few key things to happen, like a nice bundle on a FX 8350 and Asrock 970 Extreme3 MB @ MicroCenter).

Get the 8350, update your BIOS to newest version before you install, and don't look back. It isn't worth the hoopla!

EDIT: I thought I should add...since that night of trials between the 2, the others who have updated their PCs have all gone to the 8350 now as well...and it used to be about a 50/50 split between AMD and Intel. The lone Intel build left is "Mr. $2500 Build" as we like to call him...
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July 18, 2013 1:12:52 PM

8350rocks said:
I will tell you my experience before I upgraded my 1100T:

I have a friend of mine who is one of those "fair weather" kind of guys...

Whatever sports team is winning is his favorite, whatever CPU is "fastest" is his choice...so he built a $2500 3570k Rig and tried to get me to buy one.

We were at a LAN party, and one of the other guys had built a $1300 8350 Rig. I sat down and played several games on both machines for a good hour each to see what I thought.

I like AMD as it is, but there was no perceptible difference sure FRAPS said one was doing 78.9 FPS and the other was doing 81.3 FPS...but you couldn't tell the difference.

I will say, that the frustration on the guy who built the $2500 Rig was mounting...you could see it in his face...when he saw the $1300 AMD Rig with the 8350 was keeping pace. So, I bought the 8350, and built a system for $1100 that keeps up with both the others...(I was a tad more patient and waited for a few key things to happen, like a nice bundle on a FX 8350 and Asrock 970 Extreme3 MB @ MicroCenter).

Get the 8350, update your BIOS to newest version before you install, and don't look back. It isn't worth the hoopla!

EDIT: I thought I should add...since that night of trials between the 2, the others who have updated their PCs have all gone to the 8350 now as well...and it used to be about a 50/50 split between AMD and Intel. The lone Intel build left is "Mr. $2500 Build" as we like to call him...


Thanks for the laugh :D . This isnt my post, but have you played and cpu intensive games? Does it still play great? Im deciding between amd 8350 and haswell i5 4570.
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July 18, 2013 2:51:19 PM

LOL!!! I love ppl trying to claim the amd is as good as an intel, even though the Intel i3 cpu can beat the fastest amd on the market in games. (The benchmarks on this site show it pretty clearly). I, myself, went with the 4570 Haswell cpu. With a ssd drive, same video card, i get a dramatic increase compared to my old amd cpu.
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July 18, 2013 2:57:30 PM

The only reason you should go Intel is if you play Arma games.
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July 18, 2013 3:00:04 PM

8350rocks said:
I will tell you my experience before I upgraded my 1100T:

I have a friend of mine who is one of those "fair weather" kind of guys...

Whatever sports team is winning is his favorite, whatever CPU is "fastest" is his choice...so he built a $2500 3570k Rig and tried to get me to buy one.

We were at a LAN party, and one of the other guys had built a $1300 8350 Rig. I sat down and played several games on both machines for a good hour each to see what I thought.

I like AMD as it is, but there was no perceptible difference sure FRAPS said one was doing 78.9 FPS and the other was doing 81.3 FPS...but you couldn't tell the difference.

I will say, that the frustration on the guy who built the $2500 Rig was mounting...you could see it in his face...when he saw the $1300 AMD Rig with the 8350 was keeping pace. So, I bought the 8350, and built a system for $1100 that keeps up with both the others...(I was a tad more patient and waited for a few key things to happen, like a nice bundle on a FX 8350 and Asrock 970 Extreme3 MB @ MicroCenter).

Get the 8350, update your BIOS to newest version before you install, and don't look back. It isn't worth the hoopla!

EDIT: I thought I should add...since that night of trials between the 2, the others who have updated their PCs have all gone to the 8350 now as well...and it used to be about a 50/50 split between AMD and Intel. The lone Intel build left is "Mr. $2500 Build" as we like to call him...


He bought a 3570k for a thousand bucks?
Because if there's a 4 frame difference they must have similar rigs.
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July 18, 2013 3:09:21 PM

computertech82 said:
LOL!!! I love ppl trying to claim the amd is as good as an intel, even though the Intel i3 cpu can beat the fastest amd on the market in games. (The benchmarks on this site show it pretty clearly). I, myself, went with the 4570 Haswell cpu. With a ssd drive, same video card, i get a dramatic increase compared to my old amd cpu.


I was thinking on getting the i5 4570 what motherboard would you suggest with it?
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July 18, 2013 3:38:34 PM

PC-MAN said:
computertech82 said:
LOL!!! I love ppl trying to claim the amd is as good as an intel, even though the Intel i3 cpu can beat the fastest amd on the market in games. (The benchmarks on this site show it pretty clearly). I, myself, went with the 4570 Haswell cpu. With a ssd drive, same video card, i get a dramatic increase compared to my old amd cpu.


I was thinking on getting the i5 4570 what motherboard would you suggest with it?


Please don't hijack threads. Make your own so we can stay on topic. (Or, alternatively, PM him.)
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July 18, 2013 5:38:55 PM

Just to add my own experience, recently, I started playing WOT at about 8-25 fps w/ Athlon 64 X2@2.9Ghz, 4gb RAM. so I decided to build FX8350 w/ 16gb RAM. Now I'm getting 49-81 fps (the latest I recorded). And honestly speaking, In terms of game experience, there is no substantial difference except that with the 8350, moving far targets got no lag on scope view. X2 has around 1-2 seconds lag for FAR moving targets (no lag on near targets). In terms of graphics, I don't see much difference as I can push the X2 to High, Low AA. I'm using the same VC.

WOT is a single-core game which uses a second core minimally. And it uses 80-90% of core 0 on the 8350 at 4-4.2Ghz.

With my i5@2.6Ghz, 8gb, 630M GT laptop, I'm getting 20-35 FPS but the mouse pointer gets choppy that I'm having a hard time pointing on targets. I'm using the same mouse (not part of comparison. Just a side not).

Bottomline: Difference of 10-20 FPS has no real effect especially at 45 fps onwards. With these new CPUs, the (minute) differences are all in numbers. AMD probably runs hotter but on noctua D14, max temp is 47c playing WOT (tropical climate, no AC). AMD might consume more power but then again, it won't hurt your pocket (i5 4670K TDP is 84W). Eversince I used AMD (back in 2003), I've had smoother gaming experience with it.
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July 19, 2013 6:23:58 AM

The 4670k on average is about 10-15% faster than the 8350. In most titles.
Not a very tangible difference to be honest.

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July 19, 2013 9:40:11 AM

Djentleman said:
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8350rocks said:
I will tell you my experience before I upgraded my 1100T:

I have a friend of mine who is one of those "fair weather" kind of guys...

Whatever sports team is winning is his favorite, whatever CPU is "fastest" is his choice...so he built a $2500 3570k Rig and tried to get me to buy one.

We were at a LAN party, and one of the other guys had built a $1300 8350 Rig. I sat down and played several games on both machines for a good hour each to see what I thought.

I like AMD as it is, but there was no perceptible difference sure FRAPS said one was doing 78.9 FPS and the other was doing 81.3 FPS...but you couldn't tell the difference.

I will say, that the frustration on the guy who built the $2500 Rig was mounting...you could see it in his face...when he saw the $1300 AMD Rig with the 8350 was keeping pace. So, I bought the 8350, and built a system for $1100 that keeps up with both the others...(I was a tad more patient and waited for a few key things to happen, like a nice bundle on a FX 8350 and Asrock 970 Extreme3 MB @ MicroCenter).

Get the 8350, update your BIOS to newest version before you install, and don't look back. It isn't worth the hoopla!

EDIT: I thought I should add...since that night of trials between the 2, the others who have updated their PCs have all gone to the 8350 now as well...and it used to be about a 50/50 split between AMD and Intel. The lone Intel build left is "Mr. $2500 Build" as we like to call him...


He bought a 3570k for a thousand bucks?
Because if there's a 4 frame difference they must have similar rigs.


Actually, he built his rig with 32 GB of RAM, vs 8 GB in the AMD rig, though the AMD had faster RAM (1866MHz vs 1600 MHz)...he was using a HD 7970 GHz and the AMD rig also used a 7970 GHz. He had a pair of 1 TB HDDs setup in RAID and a SSD (240 GB), the AMD rig just had a 1 TB HDD and SSD (120 GB), plus he shilled out $100 for a crazy expensive sound card, and put it all in a Cosmos case on an Asus Maximus MB...where the AMD rig was in a mid-tower case with a 990FX sabertooth.

He did spend a lot of money on things that were superfluous for a gaming rig...the money would have been better spent on a better GPU and a few other things instead of a $500 case and $300+ MB and a $100 sound card...

It was money spent on good components...they were just unnecessary.

EDIT: This is his build (so far as I can recall...may be some differences):

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ing9
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ing9/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ing9/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus V Formula EATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($274.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Corsair Force Series GS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($207.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($484.98 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos ATX Full Tower Case ($500.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 1050W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-14D1XT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2510.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 12:48 EDT-0400)
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July 19, 2013 9:41:45 AM

8350rocks said:
Djentleman said:
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8350rocks said:
I will tell you my experience before I upgraded my 1100T:

I have a friend of mine who is one of those "fair weather" kind of guys...

Whatever sports team is winning is his favorite, whatever CPU is "fastest" is his choice...so he built a $2500 3570k Rig and tried to get me to buy one.

We were at a LAN party, and one of the other guys had built a $1300 8350 Rig. I sat down and played several games on both machines for a good hour each to see what I thought.

I like AMD as it is, but there was no perceptible difference sure FRAPS said one was doing 78.9 FPS and the other was doing 81.3 FPS...but you couldn't tell the difference.

I will say, that the frustration on the guy who built the $2500 Rig was mounting...you could see it in his face...when he saw the $1300 AMD Rig with the 8350 was keeping pace. So, I bought the 8350, and built a system for $1100 that keeps up with both the others...(I was a tad more patient and waited for a few key things to happen, like a nice bundle on a FX 8350 and Asrock 970 Extreme3 MB @ MicroCenter).

Get the 8350, update your BIOS to newest version before you install, and don't look back. It isn't worth the hoopla!

EDIT: I thought I should add...since that night of trials between the 2, the others who have updated their PCs have all gone to the 8350 now as well...and it used to be about a 50/50 split between AMD and Intel. The lone Intel build left is "Mr. $2500 Build" as we like to call him...


He bought a 3570k for a thousand bucks?
Because if there's a 4 frame difference they must have similar rigs.


Actually, he built his rig with 32 GB of RAM, vs 8 GB in the AMD rig, though the AMD had faster RAM (1866MHz vs 1600 MHz)...he was using a HD 7970 GHz and the AMD rig also used a 7970 GHz. He had a pair of 1 TB HDDs setup in RAID and a SSD (240 GB), the AMD rig just had a 1 TB HDD and SSD, plus he shilled out $100 for a crazy expensive sound card, and put it all in a Cosmos case on an Asus Maximus MB...where the AMD rig was in a mid-tower case with a 990FX sabertooth.

He did spend a lot of money on things that were superfluous for a gaming rig...the money would have been better spent on a better GPU and a few other things instead of a $500 case and $300+ MB and a $100 sound card...

It was money spent on good components...they were just unnecessary.

That's just called being stupid with your money.
Although having a 680 would of been a fairer comparison.
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