How hard is it to change a motherboard??
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Renox
July 18, 2013 11:47:33 AM
I've never built or changed a piece in a PC in my life and I now kind of need to change my motherboard to a new one that supports Sli(2GraphicsCards) this is my pc:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadvanquish.asp?...
So how hard is it? Whats the chance of me ruining a peice of the PC? Please fill me in
Thanks
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadvanquish.asp?...
So how hard is it? Whats the chance of me ruining a peice of the PC? Please fill me in
Thanks
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Renox said:
I've never built or changed a piece in a PC in my life and I now kind of need to change my motherboard to a new one that supports Sli(2GraphicsCards) this is my pc:http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadvanquish.asp?...
So how hard is it? Whats the chance of me ruining a peice of the PC? Please fill me in
Thanks
Mobo replacing is a bit more advanced than putting in a new cpu. With breaking things, as long as you ground yourself, your components will be fine as long as your power connections are right. I would watch a few youtube videos about it first, and if you feel up to it you should try. However, if you don't feel like you can do it, the board you have now will still support SLI, but the second card will run at 4x speed.
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Renox
July 18, 2013 12:10:54 PM
bob1033 said:
Renox said:
I've never built or changed a piece in a PC in my life and I now kind of need to change my motherboard to a new one that supports Sli(2GraphicsCards) this is my pc:http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadvanquish.asp?...
So how hard is it? Whats the chance of me ruining a peice of the PC? Please fill me in
Thanks
Mobo replacing is a bit more advanced than putting in a new cpu. With breaking things, as long as you ground yourself, your components will be fine as long as your power connections are right. I would watch a few youtube videos about it first, and if you feel up to it you should try. However, if you don't feel like you can do it, the board you have now will still support SLI, but the second card will run at 4x speed.
Wait it does!? People said it doesn't when I asked recently. If your sure then if I buy another 760 how much of a fps difference am I gonna get if for exp I'm getting 65 fps on bf3 with the first one?
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Renox said:
Wait it does!? People said it doesn't when I asked recently. If your sure then if I buy another 760 how much of a fps difference am I gonna get if for exp I'm getting 65 fps on bf3 with the first one?
It does, but one of the card will only run at 4x speed. You will see about a 10% performance decrease in performance if you used the same cards in 16x-16x rather than 16x-4x.
With the performance increase, even with 16x-4x, you should see a 60-70% performance increase.
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Changing a motherboard is as hard as you make it out be, and your chances of ruining something are inversely proportional to how careful you are. Since this is your first time, I'll give you a few pointers to get you started.
1. Clear a nice big, flat workspace.
2. Make sure that you have adequate lighting
3. Also have a nice flashlight handy. LED ones work great.
4. To swap the motherboard you will have to remove and replace the CPU. To remove and replace the CPU you will have to remove and replace the heat sink assembly. To remove and replace the heat sink assembly you will have to remove and replace the thermal paste. To remove and replace the thermal paste you will need some solvents and cleaning material.
My personal favorite is electronic contact cleaner which can be purchased in compressed cans. This stuff just melts thermal paste away in seconds. However, Isopropyl alcohol works just fine; you can use Q-tips to scrub the paste away.
You will also need new thermal paste to replace the old stuff. I recommend Arctic Silver 5, but MX4 has also been recommended around here.
5. Be careful disassembling and reassembling components. Treat your PC like a patient on an operating table. Use the appropriate tools to remove each component (usually just a Phillips screwdriver) and set them aside gently. Remove all the cables that you possibly can or lay them such that they are away from the center of the case; if you don't, they will just get in the way. When you get down to the motherboard, there will be 9 screws that you have to remove. Remove these and then gently slide the motherboard out.
6. Take the opportunity to clean your case out. Remove your fans (including the one on your heat sink) one by one and scrub them gently in hot soapy water. Finally, lubricate them with WD-40 and spin them a bit to let the lubricant work its way in. Reassemble them as you see fit.
7. Your new motherboard will come with a new IO shield. Pop the old one out and replace it with the new one.
8. Repeat (5) in reverse. Insert the new motherboard and seat it properly against the new IO shield. All 9 ATX holes should lineup with the standoffs on the case. Once they line up, you can screw them in with the same 9 screws that you removed from the old motherboard.
Insert the freshly cleaned CPU. Make sure that it's seated properly and close the latch. Don't force it; if it's seated incorrectly, you'll damage something.
Apply a small dab of thermal paste to the center of the CPU. When I say small I mean small, about half a centimeter in diameter and about 2-3 millimeters high. The heatsink and CPU will be pressed into contact and the paste will spread out. It's amazing how little is actually needed.
Reseat the heatsink and attach the bolts that hold it in place (if it's a stock heatsink, they may be plastic plugs). Do not screw the bolts down one at a time, alternate them bit by bit until they're all reasonably tight.
Insert the memory and make sure that it snaps into place.
Insert the graphics cards and make sure that they snap into place. Use the appropriate screws to secure them to the case as well.
Insert the appropriate power cables to the motherboard and PSUs. The motherboard will have a 24 pin connector and either a 4 pin connector or an 8 pin connector. The GPUs will have some combination of 6 and 8 pin connectors. The 8 pin connector for the motherboard (if present) looks nearly identical to the 8 pin connector for the GPU but it is keyed differently and will not fit.
Run the sata cables from your hard disks to the appropriate ports on the motherboard. Some motherboards contain a variety of SATA-III and SATA-II ports from the chipset, as well as ports connected to an add-in controller. In general you will want to use the SATA-III ports on the chipset for SSDs, and the add-in controllers as a last-resort. Consult your manual to see which is which.
Route and connect the front panel connectors. Normally this would be done before inserting the GPU, but since you have two GPUs it should be done last. Consult your motherboard manual to determine where to connect them. Use a pair of needle-nose pliers and that aforementioned flashlight to make your life a lot easier.
9. While your case is still on the operating table, plug it in and fire it up. If all goes well, it should POST.
1. Clear a nice big, flat workspace.
2. Make sure that you have adequate lighting
3. Also have a nice flashlight handy. LED ones work great.
4. To swap the motherboard you will have to remove and replace the CPU. To remove and replace the CPU you will have to remove and replace the heat sink assembly. To remove and replace the heat sink assembly you will have to remove and replace the thermal paste. To remove and replace the thermal paste you will need some solvents and cleaning material.
My personal favorite is electronic contact cleaner which can be purchased in compressed cans. This stuff just melts thermal paste away in seconds. However, Isopropyl alcohol works just fine; you can use Q-tips to scrub the paste away.
You will also need new thermal paste to replace the old stuff. I recommend Arctic Silver 5, but MX4 has also been recommended around here.
5. Be careful disassembling and reassembling components. Treat your PC like a patient on an operating table. Use the appropriate tools to remove each component (usually just a Phillips screwdriver) and set them aside gently. Remove all the cables that you possibly can or lay them such that they are away from the center of the case; if you don't, they will just get in the way. When you get down to the motherboard, there will be 9 screws that you have to remove. Remove these and then gently slide the motherboard out.
6. Take the opportunity to clean your case out. Remove your fans (including the one on your heat sink) one by one and scrub them gently in hot soapy water. Finally, lubricate them with WD-40 and spin them a bit to let the lubricant work its way in. Reassemble them as you see fit.
7. Your new motherboard will come with a new IO shield. Pop the old one out and replace it with the new one.
8. Repeat (5) in reverse. Insert the new motherboard and seat it properly against the new IO shield. All 9 ATX holes should lineup with the standoffs on the case. Once they line up, you can screw them in with the same 9 screws that you removed from the old motherboard.
Insert the freshly cleaned CPU. Make sure that it's seated properly and close the latch. Don't force it; if it's seated incorrectly, you'll damage something.
Apply a small dab of thermal paste to the center of the CPU. When I say small I mean small, about half a centimeter in diameter and about 2-3 millimeters high. The heatsink and CPU will be pressed into contact and the paste will spread out. It's amazing how little is actually needed.
Reseat the heatsink and attach the bolts that hold it in place (if it's a stock heatsink, they may be plastic plugs). Do not screw the bolts down one at a time, alternate them bit by bit until they're all reasonably tight.
Insert the memory and make sure that it snaps into place.
Insert the graphics cards and make sure that they snap into place. Use the appropriate screws to secure them to the case as well.
Insert the appropriate power cables to the motherboard and PSUs. The motherboard will have a 24 pin connector and either a 4 pin connector or an 8 pin connector. The GPUs will have some combination of 6 and 8 pin connectors. The 8 pin connector for the motherboard (if present) looks nearly identical to the 8 pin connector for the GPU but it is keyed differently and will not fit.
Run the sata cables from your hard disks to the appropriate ports on the motherboard. Some motherboards contain a variety of SATA-III and SATA-II ports from the chipset, as well as ports connected to an add-in controller. In general you will want to use the SATA-III ports on the chipset for SSDs, and the add-in controllers as a last-resort. Consult your manual to see which is which.
Route and connect the front panel connectors. Normally this would be done before inserting the GPU, but since you have two GPUs it should be done last. Consult your motherboard manual to determine where to connect them. Use a pair of needle-nose pliers and that aforementioned flashlight to make your life a lot easier.
9. While your case is still on the operating table, plug it in and fire it up. If all goes well, it should POST.
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Renox
July 18, 2013 12:34:31 PM
WOW thanks bro for the tips! I'll be sure to take good news to the patience's parents. I'm gonna do a bit more research and see if its really worth doing all that and taking a big step like that. I'm gonna see if bob is right and it only decreases 20 percent of the card and if that's true I'm might stick with this one.
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Renox
July 18, 2013 12:37:43 PM
bob1033 said:
Renox said:
Wait it does!? People said it doesn't when I asked recently. If your sure then if I buy another 760 how much of a fps difference am I gonna get if for exp I'm getting 65 fps on bf3 with the first one?
It does, but one of the card will only run at 4x speed. You will see about a 10% performance decrease in performance if you used the same cards in 16x-16x rather than 16x-4x.
With the performance increase, even with 16x-4x, you should see a 60-70% performance increase.
Bro can you show me on wiki or something that it does that and it doesn't damage the card? I mean there has to be a reason that there is a performance decrease, right?
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Renox said:
Pinhedd said:
Changing a motherboard is as hard as you make it out be, and your chances of ruining something are inversely proportional to how careful you are. Since this is your first time, I'll give you a few pointers to get you started.1. Clear a nice big, flat workspace.
2. Make sure that you have adequate lighting
3. Also have a nice flashlight handy. LED ones work great.
4. To swap the motherboard you will have to remove and replace the CPU. To remove and replace the CPU you will have to remove and replace the heat sink assembly. To remove and replace the heat sink assembly you will have to remove and replace the thermal paste. To remove and replace the thermal paste you will need some solvents and cleaning material.
My personal favorite is electronic contact cleaner which can be purchased in compressed cans. This stuff just melts thermal paste away in seconds. However, Isopropyl alcohol works just fine; you can use Q-tips to scrub the paste away.
You will also need new thermal paste to replace the old stuff. I recommend Arctic Silver 5, but MX4 has also been recommended around here.
5. Be careful disassembling and reassembling components. Treat your PC like a patient on an operating table. Use the appropriate tools to remove each component (usually just a Phillips screwdriver) and set them aside gently. Remove all the cables that you possibly can or lay them such that they are away from the center of the case; if you don't, they will just get in the way. When you get down to the motherboard, there will be 9 screws that you have to remove. Remove these and then gently slide the motherboard out.
6. Take the opportunity to clean your case out. Remove your fans (including the one on your heat sink) one by one and scrub them gently in hot soapy water. Finally, lubricate them with WD-40 and spin them a bit to let the lubricant work its way in. Reassemble them as you see fit.
7. Your new motherboard will come with a new IO shield. Pop the old one out and replace it with the new one.
8. Repeat (5) in reverse. Insert the new motherboard and seat it properly against the new IO shield. All 9 ATX holes should lineup with the standoffs on the case. Once they line up, you can screw them in with the same 9 screws that you removed from the old motherboard.
Insert the freshly cleaned CPU. Make sure that it's seated properly and close the latch. Don't force it; if it's seated incorrectly, you'll damage something.
Apply a small dab of thermal paste to the center of the CPU. When I say small I mean small, about half a centimeter in diameter and about 2-3 millimeters high. The heatsink and CPU will be pressed into contact and the paste will spread out. It's amazing how little is actually needed.
Reseat the heatsink and attach the bolts that hold it in place (if it's a stock heatsink, they may be plastic plugs). Do not screw the bolts down one at a time, alternate them bit by bit until they're all reasonably tight.
Insert the memory and make sure that it snaps into place.
Insert the graphics cards and make sure that they snap into place. Use the appropriate screws to secure them to the case as well.
Insert the appropriate power cables to the motherboard and PSUs. The motherboard will have a 24 pin connector and either a 4 pin connector or an 8 pin connector. The GPUs will have some combination of 6 and 8 pin connectors. The 8 pin connector for the motherboard (if present) looks nearly identical to the 8 pin connector for the GPU but it is keyed differently and will not fit.
Run the sata cables from your hard disks to the appropriate ports on the motherboard. Some motherboards contain a variety of SATA-III and SATA-II ports from the chipset, as well as ports connected to an add-in controller. In general you will want to use the SATA-III ports on the chipset for SSDs, and the add-in controllers as a last-resort. Consult your manual to see which is which.
Route and connect the front panel connectors. Normally this would be done before inserting the GPU, but since you have two GPUs it should be done last. Consult your motherboard manual to determine where to connect them. Use a pair of needle-nose pliers and that aforementioned flashlight to make your life a lot easier.
9. While your case is still on the operating table, plug it in and fire it up. If all goes well, it should POST.
WOW thanks bro for the tips! I'll be sure to take good news to the patience's parents. I'm gonna do a bit more research and see if its really worth doing all that and taking a big step like that. I'm gonna see if bob is right and it only decreases 20 percent of the card and if that's true I'm might stick with this one.
That board does not support multi-slot SLI (Dual-GPU boards such as the 690 will still work), but does support multi-slot crossfire. The reason for this is as follows:
The top 16x PCIe slot is connected directly to the CPU but the bottom 16x PCIe slot is connected to the PCH (chipset) which is not designed for graphics cards. Communication through the bottom PCIe slot provides significantly less bandwidth and at a higher latency, which is not conductive to multi-GPU gaming.
NVidia is very picky about this particular limitation and refuses to allow systems to be marketed with the SLI trademark or SLI enabled if they force one of the GPUs to be connected to the PCH. AMD is much less restrictive and has allowed that board to be Crossfire enabled.
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Renox
July 18, 2013 12:44:18 PM
Renox said:
Oh so there is not enough space for the card so all of it doesn't work? Does that mean I'm gonna have difficulty putting it in? Also I don't know what the 16 16 or 4 16 thing is sorry I'm new to this stuff.
16x and 4x are the speeds of the PCI port, if you ran a card at 16x and another at 4x, the 4x card will have 25% less performance than the other card (in therory).
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Renox
July 18, 2013 12:50:04 PM
Renox
July 18, 2013 12:51:44 PM
Renox said:
bob1033 said:
Renox said:
Wait it does!? People said it doesn't when I asked recently. If your sure then if I buy another 760 how much of a fps difference am I gonna get if for exp I'm getting 65 fps on bf3 with the first one?
It does, but one of the card will only run at 4x speed. You will see about a 10% performance decrease in performance if you used the same cards in 16x-16x rather than 16x-4x.
With the performance increase, even with 16x-4x, you should see a 60-70% performance increase.
Bro can you show me on wiki or something that it does that and it doesn't damage the card? I mean there has to be a reason that there is a performance decrease, right?
Renox said:
bob1033 said:
The question is, is another $150 worth the 25% increase? Some people will say yes and some people will say no.I thought you said there is a 90 percent increase
I never said that, I said this:
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With the performance increase, even with 16x-4x, you should see a 60-70% performance increase.Is is comparing no SLI to 2 way SLI
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Roger Rogers
December 2, 2013 9:22:44 PM
Get the other 760 and plug it in, you clearly should not be let near replacing the mo-bo.
P.S.
Assumes your PSU is over 500W and you dont forget the SLi bridge.
Dont forget to plug the extra power connector to the 760.
Dont forget to go into NVidia settings and `Enable SLi`.
`Disable` SLi if you plan to play `RAGE`.
Any more hand-holding dude?
P.S.
Assumes your PSU is over 500W and you dont forget the SLi bridge.
Dont forget to plug the extra power connector to the 760.
Dont forget to go into NVidia settings and `Enable SLi`.
`Disable` SLi if you plan to play `RAGE`.
Any more hand-holding dude?
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Roger Rogers said:
Get the other 760 and plug it in, you clearly should not be let near replacing the mo-bo.P.S.
Assumes your PSU is over 500W and you dont forget the SLi bridge.
Dont forget to plug the extra power connector to the 760.
Dont forget to go into NVidia settings and `Enable SLi`.
`Disable` SLi if you plan to play `RAGE`.
Any more hand-holding dude?
July 18th man
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Roger Rogers
December 3, 2013 4:07:49 AM
Pinhedd said:
Roger Rogers said:
Get the other 760 and plug it in, you clearly should not be let near replacing the mo-bo.P.S.
Assumes your PSU is over 500W and you dont forget the SLi bridge.
Dont forget to plug the extra power connector to the 760.
Dont forget to go into NVidia settings and `Enable SLi`.
`Disable` SLi if you plan to play `RAGE`.
Any more hand-holding dude?
July 18th man
Darn; all comments should be immediatly COLOR-CODED (6 shades of the Rainbow sequence)
......to indicate how many months/years its been out.
Will check Dates in future. Thanks.
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