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July 18, 2013 10:59:00 PM

Ok I just got an i7 haswell unlocked CPU and a MSI "flag-ship" mobo. I also got an 8GB of Vengance RAM my other sticks are Vengance as well but they are 4GB. I have a 600w PSU it worked perfectly fine until I did my upgrades. The mobo turns on I cleared CMOS and I saw a red LED flash that said DC and the mobo has power but the CPU fan won't start. I have heard of people having trouble with the Haswell when it goes into C7 but I havent heard anything about it not booting. I have a cheap PSU, I have a new Corsair 750W gold+ on the way but I REALLY wanted to see what this thing can do. I only had 1 HDD, 1 SSD, and a radeon GPU hooked-up when I tried starting it. I'm really hoping its nothing to do with the new CPU and/or Mobo I have been waiting for this supposed to be glorious day. Any suggestions would be extremely appreciated.

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July 18, 2013 11:51:46 PM

Check and make sure you have the CPU power plugged in. It's most likely a 8-pin connector. Your PSU may not have one of these. The plugin should be located right around the CPU socket, usually left and up of the socket itself. Also make sure your CPU fan is plugged in to the proper 4-pin. This is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

EPS compatible power supply (which your PSU may not be EPS compatible) is what it sounds like your motherboard requires which is the 8-pin. Some even require dual 8-pin.

If this is what's wrong once you receive your Corsair PSU things should be cleared up.

Also more information on your computer specs would be helpful. What your current model PSU is, what model motherboard, etc.
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July 19, 2013 3:05:14 AM

I have MSI z87 OC extreme "flagship" Mobo
i7-4770k CPU
for Evanx20

16 G of Corsair Vengance DDR5 ram
2 Gigabyte Radeon 97750 GPU's the DDR3 one's
running 2 1T HDD's one Caviar 64 cache 7200 other standard
1 128G SSD
1 3T external HDD
running Windows 8(Don't blame me it came pre-installed, I still have my 7 disc thinking VERY hard about installing that when I get my build running.
Ultra LS600 PSU ghetto I know but it ran my i3 like a champ

I think your right about the PSU being the issue, I started troubleshooting and then went to the MSI manual took everything apart again and started over using the manual step-by-step. noticed there was 1-2 plugs I didn't have that was in there. I saw my PSU was ATX ready and I used it on my AMD build and it worked for my last intel build. Then it hit me both Mobo's where mini-ATX boards or whatever their called. This one was a full mobo. Crap it look's like I won't be getting my new Corsair 750w gold certified PSU until monday unless a miracle happens. Oh well I still have my laptop for now. Thanks for pointing that out as well I was freaking I would have to RMA my mobo and/or my processor.
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July 19, 2013 7:42:20 AM

Ok there is 3 different flagship motherboards I think. The MPOWER, MPOWER Max and the XPOWER. They all require dual 8-pin CPU connectors. Your PSU only has 1x 8-pin. This right here is probably the problem not enough juice to power it up.

I hope the Corsair PSU you ordered has 2 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS because that is what your motherboard requires. In other cases you can get by with only have one 8-pin plugged in. This may not be the case with a i7-4770k.


Example of the 2x 4+4 pins


Example of the 2x 8-pin on your motherboard.
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July 20, 2013 2:34:17 AM

Evan20x said:
Ok there is 3 different flagship motherboards I think. The MPOWER, MPOWER Max and the XPOWER. They all require dual 8-pin CPU connectors. Your PSU only has 1x 8-pin. This right here is probably the problem not enough juice to power it up.

I hope the Corsair PSU you ordered has 2 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS because that is what your motherboard requires. In other cases you can get by with only have one 8-pin plugged in. This may not be the case with a i7-4770k.


Example of the 2x 4+4 pins


Example of the 2x 8-pin on your motherboard.


danscan11
It looks like in the manual it shows 8 pin or 6 pin or 4 pin connection? I have the Mpower MAX, I do not think the Corsair HTX 750 pro series 80+ gold series has 2 of those 8 pin connectors. Heres a link to the model I bought. and to the exact mobo I bought.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Mobo
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July 20, 2013 5:38:45 AM

You have yo do your research before you order anything man.

The Corsair PSU only has one 8-pin EPS for the CPU just like your old Ultra PSU and your computer will not boot with this setup it seems. But your computer may boot with only one 8-pin with this Corsair PSU since its a lot better brand and more quality than the Ultra.

I will say this you do have the i7-4770k CPU which is the most power hungry and if you do plan on overclocking it. I would hope so given you have the K version and a motherboard that is very OC friendly. I would advice you do have both 8 pins plugged in because it would make things more stable and allow you to possibly get a better overclock.

But we will have to wait and see if the computer will boot once you get the Corsair PSU in and if you decide to do one of 2 options below.

You have 2 options.

1. Return the Corsair PSU and pickup another one that has the proper connectors.
or
2. Order an adapter LINK HERE
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July 20, 2013 5:57:46 AM

So I was giving ti one more try and I got the thing to power on and the gpu fans and the cpu, psu fans are all spinning and running VERY quiet. I have a blue screen though, I cleared CMOS, I know my components are all good considering I had just pulled them 5 minutes before pulgging them back into this mobo. my dvd-wr drive won't open though and I don't know if this is a bios issue or what I could do to try and push an update through. I have this laptop pretty new Toshiba satelite with an i5 ivy bridge processor. didn't know if I could somehow use it to run some kind of diagnostic tool or what to see whats going on with this other comp. Yes I am a Newb but an OCD one always looking to expand my knowledge and get rid of ignorance/naivity.

I think I'll go adaptor route before I RMA the PSU and how well it run's. I tried to do my research I missed the plug in part figuring if it was a professional, gold+, haswell certified badass of a PSU that it would come with whatever plugs I needed. Also the mobo being a lg150 socket again with both sounding like they where made for each other, plugs wouldnt be an issue. If I do go the RMA route Im going to upgrade again to a 1000w or 1020w psu so when I start upgrading my GPU's and ram from 4 4gb sticks to 4 8gb sticks I won't have any power issues.
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July 20, 2013 5:58:58 AM

Oh thanks for your research on the adaptor(s) I probably never would have found the right thing.
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July 20, 2013 6:15:41 AM

Your motherboard being so high end. This is the first time I saw a motherboard with 2x 8-pin CPU connectors so that indicates your motherboard is made for extreme overclocks.

That Corsair PSU can handle two GPUs also known as SLI/CrossFireX and a CPU overclock. If you plan on going with triple/quad GPU setup you could run into problems there.

No problem on the adapters. Could search around some more outside Newegg that was the only place I looked. If you're comfortable ordering from else where I could look around some more.
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July 20, 2013 6:43:42 AM

Just want to make a new post about the adapter. I would not recommend my previous suggestions on the adapter. Done a little research on it and found this one to be much more suitable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-inch-Dual-4-Pin-Molex-to-8-Pi...

It's from Top Rated Plus 100% Positive feedback eBay seller and this item is exactly what you need.
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July 20, 2013 7:48:39 AM

Evan20x said:
Just want to make a new post about the adapter. I would not recommend my previous suggestions on the adapter. Done a little research on it and found this one to be much more suitable.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-inch-Dual-4-Pin-Molex-to-8-Pi...

It's from Top Rated Plus 100% Positive feedback eBay seller and this item is exactly what you need.

Ok cool Ill probably order that one, Im gonna run up to radioshack to see what they might have on hand I doubt they will but its only about 3/4 of a mile form my house. Im gonna call bestbuy as well to see if they have anything. If not its off to ebay and call it a day. I'm probably never gonna run 4x gpu's 3-very unlikely if I do anything Ill just upgrade to 1 really good one and add another later Ill only do that if the crossfiring of my 7750 ddr3's would get stomped by the 1 gpu.

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July 20, 2013 9:58:17 AM

I actually found a splitter which would prob work best for you. Finding cables on Newegg can prove to be a little bit of a challenge. Haha

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Simply plug it into your one 8-pin EPS connector from the Corsair and plug the other 2 ends into the motherboard.

A $200 GPU can stomp two 7750's right now especially the GDDR3 versions.
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July 20, 2013 2:06:43 PM

Evan20x said:
I actually found a splitter which would prob work best for you. Finding cables on Newegg can prove to be a little bit of a challenge. Haha

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Simply plug it into your one 8-pin EPS connector from the Corsair and plug the other 2 ends into the motherboard.

A $200 GPU can stomp two 7750's right now especially the GDDR3 versions.


I ordered 2 of the ones from newegg 1 of those from Ebay and I even bought the first one you showed me from newegg, including another 8 GB ram stick, and I needed a new case so I bought this cheapoh' AMD case with a damn scorpion on the side. It had good reviews I really dont care what it looks like no one ever sees it. I almost bought a badass looking pjnk one it was EPIC!!! but it was like $30 more than this one, I like pink especially the downstairs girl kind, my buddies and I always played HALO and just for fun I made my guy a pink master sargeant I awlays kicked their asses so I did it to rub it in alittle more. Anyways I went out and bought a 850w thermaltake PSU just to get the mofo to book up. It didnt even get as far as my Ultra LS600 PSU. At least with the Ultra I saw the fans spinning on my GPU's and processor!!!! No display though.

Oh yeah?!? a 200 card can dominate my lil' asskicker 7750's?!? Give me some ideas?
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August 1, 2013 11:51:45 AM

A GTX 660 should stomp 2 of those cards out.

So have you received the parts yet and tried slapping it all together to see if it works? Update me I'm curious as to how it turned out.
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August 1, 2013 12:31:33 PM

Evan20x said:
A GTX 660 should stomp 2 of those cards out.

So have you received the parts yet and tried slapping it all together to see if it works? Update me I'm curious as to how it turned out.


Sorry man I forgot I left this open. Yes I did. Newegg sent me defective components they are claiming I am the one who caused the damage. Long story short, I went ahead and purchased a new mobo and haswell from tigerdirect I got the mobo I actually wanted which was the Asus z87 Pro. The easy BIOS feature is what hooked me, I can just open a program in windows and update it also make changes to BIOS through it. I asked for credit and the customer service person I talked to said she felt like that would be an option since they were non-refundable items. Also she didn't give me a straight yes or no when I told her I wanted to buy replacements while I sent in my RMA. So basically they ignored me and I filed a complaint to the BBB who is now investigating the issue. It was a journey to get this thing running smoothly, I guess thats always the case with personal builds. Had a weird situation with win 8 & 7 had to basically wipe my drives and to a clean install of 7 because 8 annoyed me too much. But Im gonna order a replacement disc from gateway soon if I decide to switch back. Turns out I didn't need those adapters after all my new PSU is awesome if there is such a thing it is quieter than my old one which was super quiet. I had to buy a new case I got that AMD version 3 with the damn scorpion on the side it was cheap had good reviews and more than enough room for my PC. I need to get 1 SSD, and 1 HDD a cheap optical unit so I can begin my server PC since I have a perfectly good i3 sitting on the side-line. I kept the adaptors you never know when your gonna need them or a buddy needs them. after the SSD and HDD Im planning on upgrading my GPU's getting 2x 650 Ti Boost's. I know Im going Nvidia :(  but they had the best GPU's for the money in my range. Im also trying to get my AMD black ed. processor going it has some bent pins hoping I can fix them. On the bent pins with that one I did cause the damage and I didn't say a word I just said FUCK ME and shrugged my shoulders muttered well that sucks and put it in a protective case to collect dust. After seeing that overclock friendly article and that CPU was in there Im itching to see what it can do. Sorry sometimes Im wordy. I'll stop now.
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August 1, 2013 12:41:09 PM

Don't get 2 650 ti boost cards. Get one more powerful card. it is always better.
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August 1, 2013 1:03:57 PM

tiny voices said:
Don't get 2 650 ti boost cards. Get one more powerful card. it is always better.

+1
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August 1, 2013 1:12:49 PM

This sounds stupid but I am always worried about what if it breaks on me then I'd be left with nothing, so I feel if I can get two cheaper cards that when SLI'd or Cross firing that = said expensive card if one goes down I still have a decent GPU.
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August 1, 2013 1:30:59 PM

Ok Im almost royally confused I like AMD GPU's but looking at Toms GPU's for the month of july at my price point its all Nvidia GPU's so I have nothing to go on if I even want to consider AMD
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August 1, 2013 1:59:02 PM

Don't know if youre still paying attention or still interested, but some of these charts are really weird and confusing. I was looking at FPS charts and from the looks of it the 760 is probably the best card in my price range I could go higher but I dont think the extra cash would be worth the % of upgrade I would get vs. what I have and what Im looking at. Basically performance boost from the level of card Im looking at and the amount I would be paying extra for a "better card" . I mean the radeon 7850 looks like a pretty damn good card especially at its price cross-firing it sounds like a definate boost.

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August 1, 2013 2:10:11 PM

The 760 is definitely the champion in its price range. Later on down the road you could SLi them if you wanted to, to get mega performance.
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August 1, 2013 2:14:38 PM

Any AMD cards with the same type of performance? or close?
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August 1, 2013 2:16:28 PM

7950 is in the same performance class as the GTX 760
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August 1, 2013 5:00:35 PM



MSI GeForce GTX 670 N670 PE 2GD5/OC Video Card - 2GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0(x16), 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 1x Dual-link DVI-D, 1x DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, NVIDIA SLI Ready, Overclocked $329.99

XFX Radeon HD 7950 Double D Video Card - 3072MB, GDDR5, PCI Express 3.0 (x16), 2x DVI, 1x HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort, DirectX 11, Dual-Slot, Eyefinity, CrossFireX Ready, Includes 4 Games (FX-795A-TDFC) $319.99

MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card $259.99

These are the 3 I have the most interest in, so far I had to go on a frosty run I love those things.
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August 1, 2013 6:41:30 PM

I think Im just gonna go with this card
GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-2GD REV2.0 GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card

Im a gigabyte fanboy
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August 1, 2013 9:41:04 PM

That GIGABYTE card sure does look nice.

I'm sorry to see those adapters did not work and that you wasted some cash on them.
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August 2, 2013 12:11:44 AM

Evan20x said:
That GIGABYTE card sure does look nice.

I'm sorry to see those adapters did not work and that you wasted some cash on them.


Its all good, like I said I have my server PC Im gonna start putting together soon, and if I get this card I'll install my old ones in it just for fun, or I might try and sell them I still have time to decide. I'm looking at GPUboss.com it is awesome they give you all the info you need about basically every card and its easy to read and compare cards as well. It also has a CPUboss and....... SSDboss as well on the website. If you havent you should check it out.
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August 2, 2013 12:14:11 AM

I think I might stick with SLI'n two 650ti boost's or OC's. I will get the same performance out of them as I would a card 100 out of my price range if not more.
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August 2, 2013 4:34:19 PM

danscan11 said:
I think I might stick with SLI'n two 650ti boost's or OC's. I will get the same performance out of them as I would a card 100 out of my price range if not more.


That just isn't true. Also alot of games don't support or have poor SLI profiles. Ask me how I know. You really want a single better card. The gtx760 is a VERY good option.
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August 2, 2013 5:00:58 PM

Ok how do you know?!? Im not trying to start a fight, I was just stating the more I read about the multi-GPU option the more it seems like a viable option. I fucking HATE COD, Battlefield, Splintercell, WoW, Crysis(dont hate it just haven't gotten into it havent seen the big draw), DiRT, and probably more of the most popular games. I do LOVE(I mean the series not just the name of the games) Bioshock, DmC, Halo, Tomb Raider, Metro, Dead Space, Star Craft, C&C, FEAR, etc...... I haven't heard or seen anything about games rejecting cross-fire or SLI, I had a guy lie to me telling me I couldn't cross-fire my GPU's cause it wasn't on a list. I get the single card is better arguement about heating and room in the PC case issue's, the little bit of micro-stutter you get, But if I can spend $350 and get $600+ graphic performance why wouldn't i do it instead of sinking that money in a single $350 GPU and have it under-perform compared to the cross-fire/SLI GPU's?!? Because someone say's so?!? I've been burned by guys who say "trust me" way too much. I'm not insulting you personally I just have not seen the evidence to prove the single card vs. multi-card discussion sway enough for me to say Yes going single card is a better option than xF or SLI. I don't play on-line because I cannot stand shit talking overly aggressive douches who spend too much time practicing their Melee techniques to even want to try too anymore. Sorry I have a life I love games and my comp. but there are girls I need to fuck outside that door and friends to go have a beer with, and a job. I love performance and getting everything I can out of the money I spend. I enjoy mindless killing games and watching as a guy falls like a rag-doll when I shoot him in the head, but if its a slight microstutter here and there vs. a slower but single card because someone told me temp issue-I do not have an issue with heat, and room in your case again I do not have an issue with that either. Then I am not getting the right information. The cards I have looked at have shown a general 80% increase when running high GPU usage games. I looked at the #'s.

The short long of it is, I'm really not trying to be stubborn or stupid, I guess I am ignorant to bigger issues of performance of the xF and SLI so please if you have information I am honestly interested, willing, and open to it.

I was looking at the 760 and I'll bring up the other card I was looking at and post it.
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August 3, 2013 7:30:47 AM

I have SLI gtx560s. A gtx 560 is about 5% less powerful than a 650ti boost.

Some games run great but others don't support it or have poor profiles for it. In these cases you are stuck with one low end GPU.

You CANNOT spend $300 and get $600 worth of performance. In the truth of it, sli gtx650ti boosts will only really be as good as a 7950 or gtx670.

SLI does not double performance because you have 2 cards. Generally it adds 50% performance. Not 100% performance.

Long story short: get a single better GPU. It will always perform better. Hands down. Why don't you ever see people SLI low end cards? Because it isn't worth it. You will have to spend more money on a PSU and motherboard that could be better spent on a single better GPu.

Here is a comparison. The cheapest gtx650ti boost before the rebates I can find is $178. Two of them will be $356. Plus the extra money for a better PSU and motherboard, let's call it $400.

For $400 you can get a gtx770, which will perform much better: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-770-vs-GeForce-GTX-...

I'm sorry you really want SLI so bad. Honestly most people will look at you like you wasted money so if you are trying to be 'cool' and have an awesome rig, get the gtx770. We aren't trying to screw you or anything like that. Plain and simple, a single GPU is always money better spent than 2 low end SLI cards.

There you are.

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August 3, 2013 8:23:10 AM

tiny voices said:
I have SLI gtx560s. A gtx 560 is about 5% less powerful than a 650ti boost.

Some games run great but others don't support it or have poor profiles for it. In these cases you are stuck with one low end GPU.

You CANNOT spend $300 and get $600 worth of performance. In the truth of it, sli gtx650ti boosts will only really be as good as a 7950 or gtx670.

SLI does not double performance because you have 2 cards. Generally it adds 50% performance. Not 100% performance.

Long story short: get a single better GPU. It will always perform better. Hands down. Why don't you ever see people SLI low end cards? Because it isn't worth it. You will have to spend more money on a PSU and motherboard that could be better spent on a single better GPu.

Here is a comparison. The cheapest gtx650ti boost before the rebates I can find is $178. Two of them will be $356. Plus the extra money for a better PSU and motherboard, let's call it $400.

For $400 you can get a gtx770, which will perform much better: http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-770-vs-GeForce-GTX-...

I'm sorry you really want SLI so bad. Honestly most people will look at you like you wasted money so if you are trying to be 'cool' and have an awesome rig, get the gtx770. We aren't trying to screw you or anything like that. Plain and simple, a single GPU is always money better spent than 2 low end SLI cards.

There you are.



Im not trying to impress anyone, I do admit SLI is intriguing and I did say I care mostly about performance. I started reading about Nvidia's display perk's especially when you buy a high end gpu I thought fuck I don't think I can pass up that performance perk. So JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY and SHUT UP Im joking, just joking man seriously :)  I did decide to get a 770, I couldn't get the discussion of SLI vs. single card out of my head so I kept digging and digging and decided "benchmark-wise" if I was not going to xfire or SLI the 770 is the best option. I checked out 7850/7950-geForce 670 kept jumping back and forth between 7950 and sli of 660 ti boost/oc, then I read about the 770 perk radeon doesn't have it and I couldn't get it with the 660's so I said f-it and chose the cheaper of the 3 that did have it. I almost went MSI GTX-680 Twin FROZR III but didn't think it was worth the upgrade. Anyways man Im sure you can tell I really am not interested in impressing anyone I just like cool shit and seeing how hard I can push them. I made the mistake of going on AMD's site to pick out these 7750's taking their questionaire thing. Another site that had one of those no matter what choices you made it always ended up being the fuckin' $1,000 titan?!? I ran across that gpuboss site thought it to be pretty legit and info was easy to read and it's well laid out for ignorant people like me :)  Anyways Thanks for taking the time to respond and push me to keep digging and I'll see ya around.
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August 3, 2013 8:31:00 AM

Oh the only reason Im xfiring now is because it was cheaper than a full upgrade, cause I bought the first one like a newb and didn't think or pay attention, come to think of it.......... you're right when it comes down to it Im crossfiring because I wasted money lol
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August 3, 2013 8:33:38 AM

YEah 7750 is about the worst card to crossfire. THey are VERY low end and won't get you far at all. lol
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August 3, 2013 8:43:28 AM

I guess I can say this now buying an Nvidia card which I thought Id never do, FUCK amd and their stupid GPU finder helper app.
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