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July 19, 2013 9:55:41 AM

i am building a gaming pc, and i am really stuck on the graphics card. here are my current suggestions for myself:
geforce GTX 760
Geforce GTX 670
radeon 7870 XT
radeon 7870
i know that the 670 is the best performer, but i don't know which one will be best for the games i am going to be playing, which are bf3 bf4 crysis 1, 2, 3, and Natural selection 2. i do not plan to overclock, so which one will get me the best bang for my buck? thanks

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July 19, 2013 10:09:41 AM

The 760 will likely give you the best bang for buck, as it performs slightly under the 670, but for significantly less money, at $250.
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July 19, 2013 10:16:22 AM

i suppose ill go with that. would it work well with an AMD FX 6300, or should i get a processor that a bit more poweful, like an FX 8320?
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 10:20:17 AM

It should play pretty nicely with the 6300. However, the 8320 is VERY cheap right now, so you may as well grab it while the deal lasts. And it overclocks like a BEAST.
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July 19, 2013 10:30:46 AM

well im not planning to overclock, but would it give noticeable frame rate differences with games like crysis 3 or BF4?
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July 19, 2013 10:40:24 AM

someguy827 said:
well im not planning to overclock, but would it give noticeable frame rate differences with games like crysis 3 or BF4?


In BF4, most likely yes. Especially if you turn up the "mesh quality" setting, which determines how far you can see spotted enemies. That gives you a big tactical advantage, however it really puts your CPU to work. With the FX series however, there really isn't any reason not to OC.
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July 19, 2013 10:54:59 AM

how much does clockspeed help in gaming anyway?
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 11:08:12 AM

someguy827 said:
how much does clockspeed help in gaming anyway?


Well sometimes it doesn't. As a matter of fact, most games are not really CPU bound. But MMO's (I'm looking at you, Planetside), and any other game that has a lot of other players is going to rely on CPU power a lot. Now with intel CPU's clockspeed does not really matter as much, because they have pretty strong single core performance, arguably the most important thing when it comes to gaming. AMD CPU's tend to have relatively weak single core performance, and tend to execute less instruction sets per clock. So to counter this downfall, AMD has incorporated two features: overclockability (which currently intel lacks), and serious multithreaded performance. Multithreaded performance does not matter too much in gaming, so now we are down to clock speed. To counter the weak single core performance and relatively low instructions per clock, you can overclock to basically add more clock cycles. In essence, the CPU will perform less instructions per clock, but it will have more clocks, creating an effective counter. So how does this affect gaming performance? Well the main goal of having a CPU is to stop it from bottlenecking the GPU. So having a stronger CPU will likely not increase maximum frames per second, but it will increase the minimum average, meaning you get a more constant framerate overall, which is way more important than just getting more frames. Conclusion? You want a CPU that will carry your GPU. If it does not quite do the job, you can give it a small kick in the pants by overclocking.
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July 19, 2013 11:43:49 AM

so would an overclocked FX 6300 do it, or should i get the 8320 and overclock that?
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July 19, 2013 11:46:21 AM

If you have the money, grab the 8320. However, if you are on a budget, you may be able to grab the 6300, then spend the money on a better cooler for a higher OC.
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July 19, 2013 12:08:53 PM

well since its only another $40 i guess ill go with it.
So here is my build:
AMD FX 8320
asus geforce GTX 760
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3
Seasonic M12II 620 bronze
WD black 500GB
not sure about the case
SSD will be added later
crucial ballistix sport 8GB
should i change anything?
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 12:23:09 PM

someguy827 said:
well since its only another $40 i guess ill go with it.
So here is my build:
AMD FX 8320
asus geforce GTX 760
Gigabyte GA-970A-D3
Seasonic M12II 620 bronze
WD black 500GB
not sure about the case
SSD will be added later
crucial ballistix sport 8GB
should i change anything?


Nope, it looks very good. Very nice PSU choice. Just remember, for overclocking, you will need an aftermarket heatsink. At the low end of the market, the Cooler master Hyper 212 will perform best, and at the high end, the Phanteks PH-TC14PE will perform the best, and the quietest. However, you will need a pretty wide case to fit it.
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July 19, 2013 12:29:26 PM

could you suggest a case?
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 12:59:32 PM

someguy827 said:
could you suggest a case?


How much are you willing to spend?
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July 19, 2013 1:01:10 PM

hmm. $40 max? i don't want to spend too much on it.
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 1:07:40 PM

someguy827 said:
hmm. $40 max? i don't want to spend too much on it.


Hmm. That's a pretty low budget. You may want to skimp on something and allocate the money toward the case. I wouldn't suggest anything lower than $80, because you don't want to skimp on something that is holding your PC together.
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July 19, 2013 1:15:23 PM

what about the corsair carbide 300R?
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July 19, 2013 1:59:32 PM

it seems overkill for me.
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 2:12:03 PM

someguy827 said:
it seems overkill for me.


Visually? Because there is no such thing as overkill when it comes to case functionality.
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July 19, 2013 2:19:55 PM

no i mean that i dont need 8 expansion slots and 10 drive days
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 2:31:17 PM

someguy827 said:
no i mean that i dont need 8 expansion slots and 10 drive days


But it can't hurt. Also, it is the same price as the 300R. It has a better overall user rating, and from the looks of it, cleaner cable management, and if you have ever built a PC before, you will understand how important that is. But if you still don't like it, here are some others:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Costs a little more, but is a fantastic case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Nice looking, good cable management.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Simpler case, no lights, good cable management.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Nice looking case, mobility, good cable management.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Simple case, subtle lighting, good cable management.
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July 19, 2013 3:29:31 PM

arg, i can't decide...
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 4:10:02 PM

someguy827 said:
arg, i can't decide...


Where are you going to place the computer?
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July 19, 2013 4:12:26 PM

probably under my desk
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July 19, 2013 5:06:50 PM

would it work with these parts?
AMD FX 8320
Asus geforce GTX 760
Seasonic M12II 620 bronze
crucial ballistix sport 8GB
gigabyte GA-970A-D3
WD caviar Black 500GB 7200RPM 2.5'
samsung 840 series 120GB 2.5'
ASUS 24X DVD Burner
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a b U Graphics card
July 19, 2013 7:14:38 PM

Glad you asked, got me thinking. I will save you a couple dollars, maybe.
If you are going with the Challenger case that ws linked, that has USB3.0 ports on the front panel and no USB2.0 on the front.
I took a close look at your mobo (on newegg) and it does NOT appear to have any USB3.0 headers (where you connect your front panel USB ports) on that board.

Money saving solution: go with the older design, save $10.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Maybe not a money saver, costs $5 more, go with the updated MoBo; it has 2 USB3.0 onboard headers, plus another 10% off until 7/25. (Hmmm. 94.99 minus 9.50 = $85.49. about the same as the original board when you add in shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Last but not least, expl0itfinder has spent considerable effort and time helping you. He didn't make a mistake in suggesting the Challenger and Redbone, it was I that passed that info to him, but he had already looked up a lot of equipment. He deserves Best Answer when you are satisfied with this thread.
Let us know what your final build is going to be by reposting here.
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July 19, 2013 7:30:48 PM

Cool thanks
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