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July 19, 2013 7:09:04 PM

Hey guys, so I've been saving up money for a while now and I finally have enough to build a PC. I have never done this before, and truth be told, I'm not very knowledgeable on hardware. I'm more of a software guy. Anyways, this a gaming PC and my goal is to play things on pretty high settings. I'm a huge fan of MMOs, so I'm trying to maximize my computer for that aspect. I do plan on OCing at some point.

I am somewhat concerned about my mobo and case. My friend suggested I go for mini ones, and I don't know if that is sound advice. I picked them out, because I didn't know what else would be good. Advice on this would be greatly appreciated. My price range is between $800 and $900, on the lower side preferably.

Anyways, here goes my build:

CPU - AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor

Motherboard - Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+

Memory - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600

Storage - Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM

Video Card - Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB

Case - Fractal Design Arc Mini MicroATX Mini

Power Supply - Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS

Optical Drive - LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer

Monitor - Asus VS208N-P 20.0"

Total: ~ $800

As I've mentioned, I have never built a rig before so everything is new to me. I did a fair bit of research, but any and all advice is very much welcome. My main concern is with compatibility on all my parts, and also whether or not I will be provided with cables and such. I've read that almost always, cables are provided by the manufacturer but that there have been mishaps. Thanks in advance!

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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 7:17:24 PM

Get an ATX motherboard. MicroATX are no good for overclocking. I'd suggest the 970 chipset, or 990X/990FX if you want to do some serious overclocking, or need good SLI/Crossfire capabilities.
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July 19, 2013 7:31:32 PM

Endor said:
Hey guys, so I've been saving up money for a while now and I finally have enough to build a PC. I have never done this before, and truth be told, I'm not very knowledgeable on hardware. I'm more of a software guy. Anyways, this a gaming PC and my goal is to play things on pretty high settings. I'm a huge fan of MMOs, so I'm trying to maximize my computer for that aspect. I do plan on OCing at some point.

I am somewhat concerned about my mobo and case. My friend suggested I go for mini ones, and I don't know if that is sound advice. I picked them out, because I didn't know what else would be good. Advice on this would be greatly appreciated. My price range is between $800 and $900, on the lower side preferably.

Anyways, here goes my build:

CPU - AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor

Motherboard - Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+

Memory - Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600

Storage - Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM

Video Card - Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB

Case - Fractal Design Arc Mini MicroATX Mini

Power Supply - Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS

Optical Drive - LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer

Monitor - Asus VS208N-P 20.0"

Total: ~ $800

As I've mentioned, I have never built a rig before so everything is new to me. I did a fair bit of research, but any and all advice is very much welcome. My main concern is with compatibility on all my parts, and also whether or not I will be provided with cables and such. I've read that almost always, cables are provided by the manufacturer but that there have been mishaps. Thanks in advance!


my Advice is this if you can pay for it , and what ever you get insist on the DELL very good IPS Monitor I put and on GTX 760

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/1ZN5


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($62.13 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23.0" Monitor ($196.19 @ Amazon)
Total: $965.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-19 22:31 EDT-0400)
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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 7:57:31 PM

SNA3 said:


my Advice is this if you can pay for it , and what ever you get insist on the DELL very good IPS Monitor I put and on GTX 760



Firstly, that is quite a way out of his stated budget.

Secondly, you don't need a Z87 motherboard for an i5 4430.

Thirdly, an i5 3350p would be a better choice (although still no good for the reason below...)

Furthermore, he said he wants to overclock - you can't overclock a 4430.

Finally, ASUS is a perfectly reputable brand for monitors, so there's no need to change to Dell - the monitor you suggested is almost twice the price of the ASUS that OP was looking at.

The only suggestion you made that I can abide is the GTX 760, although that would still infringe his budget.
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July 19, 2013 8:17:36 PM

JRAtk94 said:
SNA3 said:


my Advice is this if you can pay for it , and what ever you get insist on the DELL very good IPS Monitor I put and on GTX 760



Firstly, that is quite a way out of his stated budget.

Secondly, you don't need a Z87 motherboard for an i5 4430.

Thirdly, an i5 3350p would be a better choice (although still no good for the reason below...)

Furthermore, he said he wants to overclock - you can't overclock a 4430.

Finally, ASUS is a perfectly reputable brand for monitors, so there's no need to change to Dell - the monitor you suggested is almost twice the price of the ASUS that OP was looking at.

The only suggestion you made that I can abide is the GTX 760, although that would still infringe his budget.


first , Z87 is not only for OC , it has better components , and is future proof , any time he wants an i7-4770K or i5-4670K he can simply upgrade and enjoy. and it has 6 Sata 3 and couple USb3 and it is for a good cheap price .. what will you get? h77 ? for 10$ less?

and second , when you pick Intel over AMD , you dont need overclocking at low budget.

and third that DELL monitor is waaaaay better than Asus . it is heavy duty , and has far FAR better display panel and was 300$ and on special offer now which will Disappear SOOOOOOOOOOON

dont think I dont know what you said. but I am professional at getting special offers.

this is a 300$ Monitor !!! for 197$ special offer will disapper it is a STEAL

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...

you compare this to crap Asus ? the build quality ALONE is 100x better. and even has Pivot and VERY GOOD IPS Panel and colors.

and finally , who do you think you are judging my advices to him ?

mind your own business
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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 8:30:57 PM

Your advice was completely against what he asked for.

And maybe the Dell is "heavy duty", but it's twice the price of the Asus.

Z87 is not "future proof" - nothing is. PCs evolve too quickly to be future proof. However, using your definition of "future proof", AM3+ is more "future proof" than LGA 1150, because the next-gen of AMD's CPUs (Steamroller) will be AM3+, whereas Intel's next-gen is expected to use a new socket.

Don't forget that overclocking isn't just a means to an end - it's a hobby for some people, including me. I would go with an overclockable AMD chip over an Intel non-overclockable any day. What you say is true (to a certain extent) that "when you pick Intel over AMD , you dont need overclockin [sic]", but the fact that increased performance is achieved as a by-product of a hobby is a bonus.

What you also forget is that AMD is miles cheaper than Intel. And although a 4430 is better than a 6300 at stock clocks, the 6300 can be overclocked to close the gap, possibly even matching a 4430 if the overclock is high enough.

The 6300 has 6 cores as well, which is always good. Especially in gaming, which is what this guy wants.

Furthermore, for the same price as your beloved i5, he could get an FX 8320, which is one hell of a CPU. And it can be overclocked.

Finally, the performance advantage of Intel isn't even usually noticeable under regular conditions - only synthetic benchmarks can show Intel's advantage. The fps difference in games will probably be no more than ~5fps, which makes the appeal of an i5 vanish pretty quickly.
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July 19, 2013 8:39:13 PM

JRAtk94 said:
Get an ATX motherboard. MicroATX are no good for overclocking. I'd suggest the 970 chipset, or 990X/990FX if you want to do some serious overclocking, or need good SLI/Crossfire capabilities.


Thank you for the replies. I changed my build some, to try to incorporate what you've said. SNA3, I had to look past most of your recommendations as they were out of my price range, but I took some into consideration. JRAtk I've changed my motherboard, and got what you recommended. I think the biggest change was the graphics card. I tried to upgrade from the Sapphire a bit, because the GTX 760 was a bit more than I wanted to pay for. I opted for the MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC. Here is what my build looks like right now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($195.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.74 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($21.48 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS208N-P 20.0" Monitor ($119.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $842.03


My other concern is just whether or not my PSU is good enough to support the system.
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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 8:42:24 PM

JRAtk94 said:
Your advice was completely against what he asked for.

And maybe the Dell is "heavy duty", but it's twice the price of the Asus.

Z87 is not "future proof" - nothing is. PCs evolve too quickly to be future proof. However, using your definition of "future proof", AM3+ is more "future proof" than LGA 1150, because the next-gen of AMD's CPUs (Steamroller) will be AM3+, whereas Intel's next-gen is expected to use a new socket.

Don't forget that overclocking isn't just a means to an end - it's a hobby for some people, including me. I would go with an overclockable AMD chip over an Intel non-overclockable any day. What you say is true (to a certain extent) that "when you pick Intel over AMD , you dont need overclockin [sic]", but the fact that increased performance is achieved as a by-product of a hobby is a bonus.

What you also forget is that AMD is miles cheaper than Intel. And although a 4430 is better than a 6300 at stock clocks, the 6300 can be overclocked to close the gap, possibly even matching a 4430 if the overclock is high enough.

The 6300 has 6 cores as well, which is always good. Especially in gaming, which is what this guy wants.

Furthermore, for the same price as your beloved i5, he could get an FX 8320, which is one hell of a CPU. And it can be overclocked.

Finally, the performance advantage of Intel isn't even usually noticeable under regular conditions - only synthetic benchmarks can show Intel's advantage. The fps difference in games will probably be no more than ~5fps, which makes the appeal of an i5 vanish pretty quickly.


I am not here to argue , I gave MY advice. and AMD is crap ... and people DO upgrade when they act smart , once ivy bridge-e comes to the market , alot will be selling their old CPU and mobo on ebay for half prices . I am planing on doing so myself !

and I dont buy crap 100 Monitors ok and I never advice them ... cheap plastic worst colors and wors gaming experience compared to a $300 Dell Monitor REDUCED to 197$ for a short time. how much he will save by getting crap Asus ?
you know nothing about LCDS ...

again I dont care to convince you , when HE replies I will Explain for him every thing.

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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 8:44:29 PM

that's looking good :) 

Good choice on the CPU cooler - it's exactly what I would've recommended. Good choice on the GPU as well! MSI's Twin Frozr system is one of the best cooling solutions on the market - definitely a wise purchase.

As for the PSU, don't worry - 500W is more than enough, and that Corsair has a decent 12V rail, with PCIe connectors to fuel the GPU :) 

Also, this monitor might be better - http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-ve228h

It's only 10$ more than the one you chose, but it's full 1080p, whereas the one you chose was only 900p. Don't worry about the other guy - ASUS make good monitors. Sure, Dell are "better", but they cost more.
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July 19, 2013 8:56:23 PM

Endor said:
JRAtk94 said:
Get an ATX motherboard. MicroATX are no good for overclocking. I'd suggest the 970 chipset, or 990X/990FX if you want to do some serious overclocking, or need good SLI/Crossfire capabilities.


Thank you for the replies. I changed my build some, to try to incorporate what you've said. SNA3, I had to look past most of your recommendations as they were out of my price range, but I took some into consideration. JRAtk I've changed my motherboard, and got what you recommended. I think the biggest change was the graphics card. I tried to upgrade from the Sapphire a bit, because the GTX 760 was a bit more than I wanted to pay for. I opted for the MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC. Here is what my build looks like right now:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.24 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($195.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Chaser A31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($57.74 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($21.48 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VS208N-P 20.0" Monitor ($119.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $842.03


My other concern is just whether or not my PSU is good enough to support the system.


your screen is not even IPS .. thats the worst screen you can buy on EARTH

Besides , u can replace my PC with your AMD and see the price ...

dont loose the DELL Monitor. you will regret it

here watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhevKSYIMrY

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWXcNlh85Ps

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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 9:00:32 PM

JRAtk94 said:
that's looking good :) 

Good choice on the CPU cooler - it's exactly what I would've recommended. Good choice on the GPU as well! MSI's Twin Frozr system is one of the best cooling solutions on the market - definitely a wise purchase.

As for the PSU, don't worry - 500W is more than enough, and that Corsair has a decent 12V rail, with PCIe connectors to fuel the GPU :) 

Also, this monitor might be better - http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-ve228h

It's only 10$ more than the one you chose, but it's full 1080p, whereas the one you chose was only 900p. Don't worry about the other guy - ASUS make good monitors. Sure, Dell are "better", but they cost more.


looking goood huh ?

and you pretend to know it all ?

THE AMD FX-6300 Vishera CPU is designed for DDR3 1866 .. how his choice of DDR3 1600 is good ????
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a b 4 Gaming
July 19, 2013 9:03:17 PM

Oh my lord.

No, it is not designed for 1866mhz RAM, it is 1866mhz RAM capable.

DDR3-1600mhz / 1.5v / CAS 9 is considered to be the sweetspot for RAM. There are no recognisable benefits from 1866mhz RAM compared to 1600mhz RAM, but 1866mhz RAM costs a lot more than 1600mhz RAM.
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July 20, 2013 11:30:11 AM

JRAtk94 said:
that's looking good :) 

Good choice on the CPU cooler - it's exactly what I would've recommended. Good choice on the GPU as well! MSI's Twin Frozr system is one of the best cooling solutions on the market - definitely a wise purchase.

As for the PSU, don't worry - 500W is more than enough, and that Corsair has a decent 12V rail, with PCIe connectors to fuel the GPU :) 

Also, this monitor might be better - http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-ve228h

It's only 10$ more than the one you chose, but it's full 1080p, whereas the one you chose was only 900p. Don't worry about the other guy - ASUS make good monitors. Sure, Dell are "better", but they cost more.


Thank you! I switched my monitor to what you suggested, because it is definitely the better deal. I have one more question, if you don't mind. For the CPU, I have the AMD FX-6300. I was doing some further research, and stumbled upon the AMD FX-8320, which is about $30 dollars more expensive. My question is: Is it worth switching to the 8320? It has pretty much the same specifications including speed, except it has 8 cores instead of 6. Is it worth investing in 8 cores right now, or is it better to wait?
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a b 4 Gaming
July 20, 2013 1:04:01 PM

It would be wise to invest in the FX 8320, yes. :) 

I was going to suggest it, but it would've gone too far past your budget, so I didn't say anything :p 

That ASUS motherboard fully supports it as well, so there are no worries there :D 
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