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Help on deciding!! Radeon 7950 vs 7870 vs 7770

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July 20, 2013 8:38:58 PM

Planning in upgrading my GPU to one either: 7950, 7870 or 7770. Clearly, the 7950is the most superior out of those 3. But my worry is the performance/price ratio and the longevity of the cards (how good will they be able to run future games).

7950: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7870: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7770 : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The 7950 is really attractive because of it's price (on sale at the moment). The 7870 has great price and has 1050 Mhz core clock. And someone once told me there's no point in investing in high end GPUs since technology is constantly changing, so that's where the 7770 comes in.

- What worries me is the video ram. I'll be playing at 1920x1080p on a single monitor. Will 2 GB GDDR5 or even 1 GB GDDR5 be enough???

-How long will these cards be able to run future games???

-And what are the most important specifications on a GPU???

I'm also taking in consideration their physical size. The 7870 and 7770 have perfect size for my case. The length and height 7950 doesn't worry me, it's the width. Can you guys tell if the 7950 will fit??? It's the nearby capacitor (close to the PCIx16 slot) that worries me and the RAM sockets as well.

My PC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp1Zva22rqk

Note: By future games I mean like in '14 and '15 and possible even '16.

Please help me decide guys.
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July 20, 2013 8:43:00 PM

forge all and get GTX 760 for 250$

your best choice
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July 20, 2013 8:47:49 PM

i'm rolling with a 1gb vram 7770ge, and seem to be alright at 1080p. can't play all the games on ultra but there are a good many i can.

i would say if you can get the 7950 for less then you can get a 760, buy it now. The 7950, if overclocked well, can be a faster card then the 770, 670, and 660ti. heck... for a long time it was the THG recommended buy at 350 and at 300, there just wasn't a better price/performance card out there on the high end of things. though nvidia came out with a bunch of new cards, it still holds it own well (tahiti is a beastly gpu). The 7950 is also right about on the top end of what you need at 1080p. Its doubtful you'll need more gpu there for years yet...

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July 20, 2013 9:09:39 PM

ingtar33 said:
i'm rolling with a 1gb vram 7770ge, and seem to be alright at 1080p. can't play all the games on ultra but there are a good many i can.

i would say if you can get the 7950 for less then you can get a 760, buy it now. The 7950, if overclocked well, can be a faster card then the 770, 670, and 660ti. heck... for a long time it was the THG recommended buy at 350 and at 300, there just wasn't a better price/performance card out there on the high end of things. though nvidia came out with a bunch of new cards, it still holds it own well (tahiti is a beastly gpu). The 7950 is also right about on the top end of what you need at 1080p. Its doubtful you'll need more gpu there for years yet...



Can you check the dimensions of the 7950 in the link above and tell if you think it'll fit?
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July 20, 2013 9:13:28 PM

I Agree, the 760 is a better choice in my opinion - I disagree with the guy that told you not to get a high since the technology is constantly changing, a perfect example is the gtx 590 it came out in 2011 and still is more powerful than the 760.

What games are you planning to play?
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July 20, 2013 9:30:10 PM

mr91 said:
I Agree, the 760 is a better choice in my opinion - I disagree with the guy that told you not to get a high since the technology is constantly changing, a perfect example is the gtx 590 it came out in 2011 and still is more powerful than the 760.

What games are you planning to play?


Well this coming fall, Rome total war 2, fifa 14, arkham origins, battlefield 4, watch dogs, possible assassin's creed 4. gta 5 when it comes out on pc.

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July 20, 2013 11:44:12 PM

thepattyv said:
Can you check the dimensions of the 7950 in the link above and tell if you think it'll fit?


it should fit. seems like in the video there is a bay cutout across from the first pci-e slot to allow super long cards
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July 21, 2013 5:24:26 AM

+1 to the GTX760. Faster and cheaper than the 7950.
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July 21, 2013 5:28:32 AM

mr91 said:
I Agree, the 760 is a better choice in my opinion - I disagree with the guy that told you not to get a high since the technology is constantly changing, a perfect example is the gtx 590 it came out in 2011 and still is more powerful than the 760.

What games are you planning to play?

Comparing a dual GPU card to a single GPU card is hardly fair though is it?
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July 21, 2013 5:36:36 AM

Mousemonkey said:
mr91 said:
I Agree, the 760 is a better choice in my opinion - I disagree with the guy that told you not to get a high since the technology is constantly changing, a perfect example is the gtx 590 it came out in 2011 and still is more powerful than the 760.

What games are you planning to play?

Comparing a dual GPU card to a single GPU card is hardly fair though is it?


it is fair to compare the gtx tita and gtx 690 since they are at the same price range.
so please dual gpu can be compared with a single gpu. the 9800gx2 is destroyed completely by a gtx 650ti

for the OP get a gtx 760 or HD7950, performance difference is pretty close
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July 21, 2013 8:23:39 AM

ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
Can you check the dimensions of the 7950 in the link above and tell if you think it'll fit?


it should fit. seems like in the video there is a bay cutout across from the first pci-e slot to allow super long cards


Could you please point out bay cutout??
So you think it the ram sockets and the capacitor next to the PCIx16 slot won't be a problem ??

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July 21, 2013 8:54:19 AM

The Gtx 760 should be enough to play the games you mentioned however you might have to turn down settings and anti aliasing and you still might experience occasional slow downs in some of the graphics intensive titles you mentioned... What Cpu are you planning to use? Because this will impact your gameplay as well. I recommend a sandy bridge quad core I5 or better, However at the end of the day, I think you will need to upgrade in a couple
years.

Below is a example based on the previous generations.

The 590 came out in march 2011 for $700 & two years later it is still one of the most power cards on the market however the 560 ti
that came out 2 years ago for $249 and is not powerful enough to play many of todays games unless you turn down the settings to medium.

I personally like Nvidia Cards and got myself a gtx 780 which I upgraded from a gtx 670 and I'm glad I did because the 1080p and 1440p performance
is exceptional far better than the gtx 670 however if you like AMD I suggest you spend a extra 140 and get the 7970 ghz ed because it will last you longer than the 7950 and your game play will be smoother for the titles you mentioned.
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July 21, 2013 9:01:05 AM

mr91 said:
The Gtx 760 should be enough to play the games you mentioned however you might have to turn down settings and anti aliasing and you still might experience occasional slow downs in some of the graphics intensive titles you mentioned... What Cpu are you planning to use? Because this will impact your gameplay as well. I recommend a sandy bridge quad core I5 or better, However at the end of the day, I think you will need to upgrade in a couple
years.



Below is a example based on the previous generations.

The 590 came out in march 2011 for $700 & two years later it is still one of the most power cards on the market however the 560 ti
that came out 2 years ago for $249 and is not powerful enough to play many of todays games unless you turn down the settings to medium.

I personally like Nvidia Cards and got myself a gtx 780 which I upgraded from a gtx 670 and I'm glad I did because the 1080p and 1440p performance
is exceptional far better than the gtx 670 however if you like AMD I suggest you spend a extra 140 and get the 7970 ghz ed because it will last you longer than the 7950 and your game play will be smoother for the titles you mentioned.


I got an i7 3770 at 3.4 ghz. Is 2 gb GDDR5 video ram enough to play 1080p on a single monitor ?

But I also want to take the GPU dimensions into consideration. Could you please check the video and tell if the 7950 or 7979 fit inside ??
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July 21, 2013 9:35:10 AM

Your processor is Awesome! 2 gb of GDDR5 is fine for most games on a 1080p display however to give you a example max panyne 3 uses more 2gb of memory with the settings maxed and 8x msaa enabled and the game came out more than a year ago... If you want to future proof your system, I recommend 3gb of memory or more.

The Dimensions for the 7970 ghz edition is 11.25 long 1.8 inches wide 5.25 height which is similar to the 7950, I'm not sure it will fit into your case - do you have the exact dimensions for your case?

Below is the link for the card.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 21, 2013 10:11:27 AM

thepattyv said:
mr91 said:
The Gtx 760 should be enough to play the games you mentioned however you might have to turn down settings and anti aliasing and you still might experience occasional slow downs in some of the graphics intensive titles you mentioned... What Cpu are you planning to use? Because this will impact your gameplay as well. I recommend a sandy bridge quad core I5 or better, However at the end of the day, I think you will need to upgrade in a couple
years.



Below is a example based on the previous generations.

The 590 came out in march 2011 for $700 & two years later it is still one of the most power cards on the market however the 560 ti
that came out 2 years ago for $249 and is not powerful enough to play many of todays games unless you turn down the settings to medium.

I personally like Nvidia Cards and got myself a gtx 780 which I upgraded from a gtx 670 and I'm glad I did because the 1080p and 1440p performance
is exceptional far better than the gtx 670 however if you like AMD I suggest you spend a extra 140 and get the 7970 ghz ed because it will last you longer than the 7950 and your game play will be smoother for the titles you mentioned.


I got an i7 3770 at 3.4 ghz. Is 2 gb GDDR5 video ram enough to play 1080p on a single monitor ?

But I also want to take the GPU dimensions into consideration. Could you please check the video and tell if the 7950 or 7979 fit inside ??


GET GTX 770 !!!

you will loose this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZHfJRrFLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD-KDwq3qeM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE_lnS7TfDI
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July 21, 2013 10:18:47 AM

Or GTX760 for PhysX and better price/performance ratio ;-) GTX770 is brilliant though - will max anything at 1080p (even Crysis 3).
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July 21, 2013 10:26:30 AM

mr91 said:
Your processor is Awesome! 2 gb of GDDR5 is fine for most games on a 1080p display however to give you a example max panyne 3 uses more 2gb of memory with the settings maxed and 8x msaa enabled and the game came out more than a year ago... If you want to future proof your system, I recommend 3gb of memory or more.

The Dimensions for the 7970 ghz edition is 11.25 long 1.8 inches wide 5.25 height which is similar to the 7950, I'm not sure it will fit into your case - do you have the exact dimensions for your case?

Below is the link for the card.

Sadly, I think the 7970 is a bit too high for my case. :( 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
mr91 said:
The Gtx 760 should be enough to play the games you mentioned however you might have to turn down settings and anti aliasing and you still might experience occasional slow downs in some of the graphics intensive titles you mentioned... What Cpu are you planning to use? Because this will impact your gameplay as well. I recommend a sandy bridge quad core I5 or better, However at the end of the day, I think you will need to upgrade in a couple
years.



Below is a example based on the previous generations.

The 590 came out in march 2011 for $700 & two years later it is still one of the most power cards on the market however the 560 ti
that came out 2 years ago for $249 and is not powerful enough to play many of todays games unless you turn down the settings to medium.

I personally like Nvidia Cards and got myself a gtx 780 which I upgraded from a gtx 670 and I'm glad I did because the 1080p and 1440p performance
is exceptional far better than the gtx 670 however if you like AMD I suggest you spend a extra 140 and get the 7970 ghz ed because it will last you longer than the 7950 and your game play will be smoother for the titles you mentioned.


I got an i7 3770 at 3.4 ghz. Is 2 gb GDDR5 video ram enough to play 1080p on a single monitor ?

But I also want to take the GPU dimensions into consideration. Could you please check the video and tell if the 7950 or 7979 fit inside ??


GET GTX 770 !!!

you will loose this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZHfJRrFLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFkDrKvBRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD-KDwq3qeM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE_lnS7TfDI


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July 21, 2013 4:09:49 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Or GTX760 for PhysX and better price/performance ratio ;-) GTX770 is brilliant though - will max anything at 1080p (even Crysis 3).


no it won't... lets tone down the fanboyism... the 770 is a faster then the 680, when you take the adaptive turbo boost II out of the equation it's actually pretty much identical to the 680... a card which the 7970 has roundly beat by 5%-15% performance for a while. Turbos disabled on both cards and the 7970 is about 10-15% faster then the 770... that said the 770 has an awesome turbo, which is definitely a feature of the card. the result is unless you really push the 7970 to the wall, the 770 will be faster then the 7970. But it's not by much.

We know the 7970 can't MAX out Crysis 3 at any resolution 1080p or above (average fps is like 48fps). If the 7970 can't do it, the 770 certainly can't do it. To max crysis 3 you need a 780 or Titan, as a sidenote, at 1080p max settings crysis 3 uses MORE then 2gb of vram. (2.2gb) Any gpu with less then 3gb of vram will be handicapped trying to max crysis 3 even in xfire/sli.
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July 21, 2013 5:28:22 PM

ingtar33 said:
sam_p_lay said:
Or GTX760 for PhysX and better price/performance ratio ;-) GTX770 is brilliant though - will max anything at 1080p (even Crysis 3).


no it won't... lets tone down the fanboyism... the 770 is a faster then the 680, when you take the adaptive turbo boost II out of the equation it's actually pretty much identical to the 680... a card which the 7970 has roundly beat by 5%-15% performance for a while. Turbos disabled on both cards and the 7970 is about 10-15% faster then the 770... that said the 770 has an awesome turbo, which is definitely a feature of the card. the result is unless you really push the 7970 to the wall, the 770 will be faster then the 7970. But it's not by much.

We know the 7970 can't MAX out Crysis 3 at any resolution 1080p or above (average fps is like 48fps). If the 7970 can't do it, the 770 certainly can't do it. To max crysis 3 you need a 780 or Titan, as a sidenote, at 1080p max settings crysis 3 uses MORE then 2gb of vram. (2.2gb) Any gpu with less then 3gb of vram will be handicapped trying to max crysis 3 even in xfire/sli.


What are the most important specifications on a GPU??
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July 21, 2013 6:21:10 PM

thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.


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July 21, 2013 7:22:18 PM

ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?
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July 21, 2013 7:26:32 PM

you are forgetting the 7870 xt
it is a great card, but i would get a 760.
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July 21, 2013 7:26:41 PM

thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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July 21, 2013 7:44:06 PM

SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man
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July 21, 2013 7:50:12 PM

thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


duh .. cant you order from USA newegg ? they are next to you.
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July 21, 2013 8:10:41 PM

SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


duh .. cant you order from USA newegg ? they are next to you.


Nope. That would destroy the purpose of newegg Canada. So 7870 for 240 vs 7950 at 290$ ???
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July 21, 2013 8:14:56 PM

thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:

Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


the 7950 is a better deal then the 7870, however if the 760 is less money i'd say that's a better deal. Make sure you get a 7950 without the basic AMD blower style air cooler. It sounds like a hair dryer, any other heatsink fan design will be more quiet by default.
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July 21, 2013 8:41:12 PM

ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:

Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


the 7950 is a better deal then the 7870, however if the 760 is less money i'd say that's a better deal. Make sure you get a 7950 without the basic AMD blower style air cooler. It sounds like a hair dryer, any other heatsink fan design will be more quiet by default.


Then the 7950 it is. Thank you for all your help. Just to make things clear,the width won't be a problem??
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July 21, 2013 8:42:19 PM

thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


duh .. cant you order from USA newegg ? they are next to you.


Nope. That would destroy the purpose of newegg Canada. So 7870 for 240 vs 7950 at 290$ ???


I prefer nvidia for PhysX and for better SLI ...

I d say GTX 760 now and later another one in SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/855?vs=854
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July 21, 2013 9:05:34 PM

SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
SNA3 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
What are the most important specifications on a GPU??


the answer isn't cut and dry. Because there are a lot of parts in a gpu which affect performance and drivers impact it as well, throw in the difference in chip architecture and you run into major problems finding 1 spec or even a few which will tell you the whole story.

Here are some basics though...
TFLOPS - bigger is better (both single and double point)
Memory Clock & type - GDDR5 is best (measured in gb/s)
Memory Bandwidth - bigger the better

generally speaking those can give you a rough idea of gpu power. That said there are a lot of wildcards in the mix. For example, nvidia turbo boost II is an insanely effective auto overclocking feature, which really makes it almost impossible to accurately and CONSISTENTLY measure the effectiveness of the new 7xx lineup. That said, while the new lineups benches are all over the board turbo boost ii is a very effective technology. helping nvidia cards to punch way over their weight class (when in a well ac'ed room with a good case airflow).

by the same factor, the radeon 7xxx gpus all are compute monsters, in the class of business class gpus. Something that nvidia's 6xx/7xx/Titan gpus are quite poor at (heck, the titan's compute power is in the class of a 7850 or 7770ge), not that compute is much of a factor for most people's gpu choices, but it should be something to considered in the event its something you need.




Is the 7870 GHZ worth it at 240$ or is the 7950 at 290$ a better investment?


the 7870GHZ is at 170$ only now in newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I'm from Canada my man


duh .. cant you order from USA newegg ? they are next to you.


Nope. That would destroy the purpose of newegg Canada. So 7870 for 240 vs 7950 at 290$ ???


I prefer nvidia for PhysX and for better SLI ...

I d say GTX 760 now and later another one in SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/855?vs=854


Would it even fit inside my case ?
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July 21, 2013 9:16:21 PM

The gtx 770 has Memory clocked @ 7.0 Gbps which yields over 224 GB/sec of memory bandwidth and faster clock speeds than the original 680.
Based on benchmarks and reviews that I read the 770 is faster in most tests than the 7970 & 7970 Ghz edition. This card also has 4GB variant which I would get if i considered the card... The gtx 770 shares the same GK 104 DNA as the gtx 680 and 1536 cuda cores and the 7970 has over 2000 stream processors. The Gtx 780 has 2304 cuda cores and the Single precision computer compute power is 4 teraflops which is more than the 7970 and just under the 7970 ghz edition. I would be surprised if the amd 777 had even two Teraflops of Single compute performance and is not even in the same league as the Titan that has around 4.5 Teraflops of compute power or the gtx 780. Although the double precision compute power is not that great for the 780 most people that buy the card are not buying it for scientific computing.

Based on my opinion I prefer to play games with my Nvidia card However 7970 ghz edition offers decent performance for the price and a bunch of free games one of which is one of my favourites Bioshock infinite.


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July 21, 2013 9:19:07 PM

mr91 said:
The gtx 770 has Memory clocked @ 7.0 Gbps which yields over 224 GB/sec of memory bandwidth and faster clock speeds than the original 680.
Based on benchmarks and reviews that I read the 770 is faster in most tests than the 7970 & 7970 Ghz edition. This card also has 4GB variant which I would get if i considered the card... The gtx 770 shares the same GK 104 DNA as the gtx 680 and 1536 cuda cores and the 7970 has over 2000 stream processors. The Gtx 780 has 2304 cuda cores and the Single precision computer compute power is 4 teraflops which is more than the 7970 and just under the 7970 ghz edition. I would be surprised if the amd 777 had even two Teraflops of Single compute performance and is not even in the same league as the Titan that has around 4.5 Teraflops of compute power or the gtx 780. Although the double precision compute power is not that great for the 780 most people that buy the card are not buying it for scientific computing.

Based on my opinion I prefer to play games with my Nvidia card However 7970 ghz edition offers decent performance for the price and a bunch of free games one of which is one of my favourites Bioshock infinite.




It can be the best GPU in the world, but it wouldn't matter to me if it didnt fit inside my case. Do you think it'll fit ??
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July 21, 2013 9:27:59 PM

However in my opinion Crysis 3 maxed out with a gtx 770 2gb version will not give you an optimum experience...
It put my old gtx 670 to it's knees which is not that much slower than the 770... I'm content with the performance that my gtx 780 yields in both
Crysis 3 and Metro LL which I like even better, that showcases Nvidia's awesome physics technology....
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July 21, 2013 9:33:14 PM

mr91 said:
However in my opinion Crysis 3 maxed out with a gtx 770 2gb version will not give you an optimum experience...
It put my old gtx 670 to it's knees which is not that much slower than the 770... I'm content with the performance that my gtx 780 yields in both
Crysis 3 and Metro LL which I like even better, that showcases Nvidia's awesome physics technology....


What are the dimensions of the card? And will it fit into my case? That's the question
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July 21, 2013 9:34:59 PM

I suggest you go to your local computer store and ask the tech department that question, Make sure that the store has a good return or exchange policy just in case it doesn't fit.
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July 21, 2013 9:38:24 PM

thepattyv said:
Planning in upgrading my GPU to one either: 7950, 7870 or 7770. Clearly, the 7950is the most superior out of those 3. But my worry is the performance/price ratio and the longevity of the cards (how good will they be able to run future games).

7950: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7870: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7770 : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The 7950 is really attractive because of it's price (on sale at the moment). The 7870 has great price and has 1050 Mhz core clock. And someone once told me there's no point in investing in high end GPUs since technology is constantly changing, so that's where the 7770 comes in.

- What worries me is the video ram. I'll be playing at 1920x1080p on a single monitor. Will 2 GB GDDR5 or even 1 GB GDDR5 be enough???

-How long will these cards be able to run future games???

-And what are the most important specifications on a GPU???

I'm also taking in consideration their physical size. The 7870 and 7770 have perfect size for my case. The length and height 7950 doesn't worry me, it's the width. Can you guys tell if the 7950 will fit??? It's the nearby capacitor (close to the PCIx16 slot) that worries me and the RAM sockets as well.

My PC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp1Zva22rqk

Note: By future games I mean like in '14 and '15 and possible even '16.

Please help me decide guys.



Obviously the 7950 will have the best performance. As for price to performance ratio it's pretty far ahead of the others.. especially with it's overclocking capability. As for future games, once again it would obviously be better then the other two. If i were to recommend a card it would be a 770 because it seems the price/performance ratio is top notch. I believe there is a deal on the 7950, which is it comes with like 4 or 5 games.. atleast there was when i bought one around a month ago.
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July 21, 2013 9:39:07 PM

I suggest you go to Ncix, Tiger direct or Canada Computers and they will be able to find you a card that will fit... Also you do can do the research at the stores and than get it from Newegg if they have the card you want... What make is your case?
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July 21, 2013 9:43:22 PM

mr91 said:
I suggest you go to Ncix, Tiger direct or Canada Computers and they will be able to find you a card that will fit... Also you do the research at the stores and than get it from Newegg if they have the card you want... What make is your case?


http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Docume...

Note: Already upgraded my PSU
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July 21, 2013 9:50:08 PM

stone17 said:
thepattyv said:
Planning in upgrading my GPU to one either: 7950, 7870 or 7770. Clearly, the 7950is the most superior out of those 3. But my worry is the performance/price ratio and the longevity of the cards (how good will they be able to run future games).

7950: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7870: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

7770 : http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The 7950 is really attractive because of it's price (on sale at the moment). The 7870 has great price and has 1050 Mhz core clock. And someone once told me there's no point in investing in high end GPUs since technology is constantly changing, so that's where the 7770 comes in.

- What worries me is the video ram. I'll be playing at 1920x1080p on a single monitor. Will 2 GB GDDR5 or even 1 GB GDDR5 be enough???

-How long will these cards be able to run future games???

-And what are the most important specifications on a GPU???

I'm also taking in consideration their physical size. The 7870 and 7770 have perfect size for my case. The length and height 7950 doesn't worry me, it's the width. Can you guys tell if the 7950 will fit??? It's the nearby capacitor (close to the PCIx16 slot) that worries me and the RAM sockets as well.

My PC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp1Zva22rqk

Note: By future games I mean like in '14 and '15 and possible even '16.

Please help me decide guys.



Obviously the 7950 will have the best performance. As for price to performance ratio it's pretty far ahead of the others.. especially with it's overclocking capability. As for future games, once again it would obviously be better then the other two. If i were to recommend a card it would be a 770 because it seems the price/performance ratio is top notch. I believe there is a deal on the 7950, which is it comes with like 4 or 5 games.. atleast there was when i bought one around a month ago.


Thing is I just checked the dimensions of the GTX 770 and it won't fit. So we can rule that out. I've pretty much set my mind to the 7950, but the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is the fact I don't know if it'll fit or not.

Check the video above and please share your opinion
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July 21, 2013 10:05:35 PM

The 7950 takes more space than the gtx 770 unless there is a smaller variant available and based on my observation of your case i don't think any of those cards will fit, the 760 is slightly shorter than both cards at 9.5 inches long and might fit however i suggest you call hp tech support and ask them if they think the 760 will fit, if not you can go for GeForce GTX 670 DC Mini 2GB which might be a better but a significantly more expensive option.
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July 21, 2013 10:09:29 PM

mr91 said:
The 7950 takes more space than the gtx 770 unless there is a smaller variant available and based on my observation of your case i don't think any of those cards will fit, the 760 is slightly shorter than both cards at 9.5 inches long and might fit however i suggest you call hp tech support and ask them if they think the 760 will fit, if not you can go for GeForce GTX 670 DC Mini 2GB which might be a better but a significantly more expensive option.


Ya I opened up my case and can say height and length wise I'm good for the 7950. It's the width that worries. Especially the ram sockets and the capacitor near that battery thingy
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July 22, 2013 6:11:10 AM

The best bang for your buck is the EVGA GTX 760 SC w/ ACX http://amzn.to/15J0OZX and it's almost identical, performance-wise, to an HD 7950 and I've had both cards.
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July 22, 2013 9:00:18 AM

thepattyv said:
Then the 7950 it is. Thank you for all your help. Just to make things clear,the width won't be a problem??


nope. it should fit fine if your case identical to the one that is in the video
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July 22, 2013 11:52:36 AM

ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
Then the 7950 it is. Thank you for all your help. Just to make things clear,the width won't be a problem??


nope. it should fit fine if your case identical to the one that is in the video


The case in the video is my case. So you're 100% sure right ?
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July 22, 2013 2:07:32 PM

thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
Then the 7950 it is. Thank you for all your help. Just to make things clear,the width won't be a problem??


nope. it should fit fine if your case identical to the one that is in the video


The case in the video is my case. So you're 100% sure right ?


the case in that video has a space between the bottom hard drive cage and top optical drive cages, which should allow long cards. now if your case doesn't have that space then no. the 7950 won't fit. but if your case is identical to the one in that video, then yes. the 7950 will fit. as should pretty much every other card spoken about in this thread. i've seen the video, those caps aren't tall enough to get in the way of a double wide gpu. there should be no problem.

the only issue i see was an issue on the hp forums about getting a new gpu to work with the stock bios. i'll include the steps you'd need to take to make it work. (BTW: someone was saying that they got a 7990 to fit in that case. if that card fits ANY card will fit)

- remove GPU
- use onboard Video (you will have to remove the plastic covers over the onboard DVI slots)
- go into BIOS (F10) and disable secure boot and enable legacy support
- put in desired video card and reboot.
- leave BIOS settings alone

good luck with your choice and have fun!
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July 22, 2013 5:00:28 PM

ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
ingtar33 said:
thepattyv said:
Then the 7950 it is. Thank you for all your help. Just to make things clear,the width won't be a problem??


nope. it should fit fine if your case identical to the one that is in the video


The case in the video is my case. So you're 100% sure right ?


the case in that video has a space between the bottom hard drive cage and top optical drive cages, which should allow long cards. now if your case doesn't have that space then no. the 7950 won't fit. but if your case is identical to the one in that video, then yes. the 7950 will fit. as should pretty much every other card spoken about in this thread. i've seen the video, those caps aren't tall enough to get in the way of a double wide gpu. there should be no problem.

the only issue i see was an issue on the hp forums about getting a new gpu to work with the stock bios. i'll include the steps you'd need to take to make it work. (BTW: someone was saying that they got a 7990 to fit in that case. if that card fits ANY card will fit)

- remove GPU
- use onboard Video (you will have to remove the plastic covers over the onboard DVI slots)
- go into BIOS (F10) and disable secure boot and enable legacy support
- put in desired video card and reboot.
- leave BIOS settings alone

good luck with your choice and have fun!


Ya i filmed the interior of my case just for this question. Anyways thank you! You and everyone have been a huge help. Better go order the 7950 right now. Oh and could link me the 7990 fitting in a similar case as mine ?

And could you please give a quick description of each step. Because I'm not too sure about the 2nd step. Like I unscrew the plastic cover and connect the DVI to my monitor ??

Thanks in advance
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July 23, 2013 11:55:57 AM

Good luck let us know what you think of the card
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July 23, 2013 11:56:01 AM

Good luck let us know what you think of the card
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