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July 21, 2013 2:39:41 AM

Hi, guys!
May I ask for help or assistance, please?
Thank you! I really thank you!


I am planning to build a gaming computer for myself. I have been dreaming of this since I was in Elementary :lol:  Now that I am in College, maybe I can fulfill it now.
I have US$200 at the moment. This didn't even reach my picked processor which is the Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K.
What I have now
I have an HP Compaq Presario F730US right now. This PC that I plan on building will be a high jump for me.
Budget
My budget is around $350 without the graphics card (See graphics card below).
What I want
be able to play modern games on it like, GTA4, WoW, Dragon Nest.
lasts long
cheapest available parts with respect to the specs needed, of course
Motherboard
For the mobo, I don't know which one. Maybe you, guys, can point one that is good? I'm interested on the Z77 or Z87, but I don't even know what they are. I will be researching after I post this, anyway. But, please help me choose.
Graphics Card
I think, I will be buying the graphics card later. I mean, Intel's graphics should be fine for me for some months until I have the money for a decent one. One that can give medium settings at a playable FPS is enough for me, but one that can max will make me really happy.
PSU
I don't know much about this - the power needed, etc. I guess the PSU should be able to handle a nice graphics card which will be installed in the future.
Drive
I will love an SSD. The cheapest one there is, but better than an HDD.
anything else...
I don't know any more parts I need. Will the Mobo have anything else needed integrated with it?

Thank you very much for reading! I hope you can shed some light on me.
I am doing my best to save for this.


God bless!:) 
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July 21, 2013 3:33:56 AM

well if u take a 3570k, u will spend 60-65% of your budget on the processor,then how can get a decent board,psu,HDD,SSD from the rest 150$. save some money and do a build.
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July 21, 2013 4:10:50 AM

You replied quicker than I thought, sourodip. Thank you very much!
So, $350 will not be enough :( 
Can you point me to the parts I need, friend? I would want to know how much I need.
I really thank you for responding very quick.

Take Care! :wahoo: 
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July 21, 2013 9:28:44 AM

You can start with a lower priced CPU and upgrade later of course, but $350 in US currency will not get you that far. Probably you will need $450 for an upgradeable start, and more like $550 to get into an i3 or one of the better AMD CPUs.
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July 21, 2013 9:45:46 AM

Sir Proximon, will a high-end motherboard make the system more upgradeable, or no? And, yes, it's in the US currency.
Your response really helped me. Thank you!
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July 21, 2013 7:58:59 PM

No, a high end MB is probably not a priority.

Here is an AMD build that I had handy

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.46 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $418.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-21 22:42 EDT-0400)

Then here is an Intel system with a slightly more upgradeable PSU. The CPU is a bit weaker, but this build also includes the Operating system

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G2120 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($66.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($75.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.04 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $454.62
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-21 22:56 EDT-0400)
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July 22, 2013 8:14:56 AM

Thank you very much, Sir Proximon!
That is just what I wanted to know :love: 
But, I see you didn't list any graphics card.
Anyway, which do you find better, AMD or Intel? Just the general idea or like an overall idea.
I will most likely go for the Intel System you recommended. I saw how an Intel Pentium Processor G2020 with a GeForce 630 2gb went and it provides my wants, somehow... for now. The Intel CPU you recommended must be better, right? And the Intel system is also cheaper if not for the OS.

Thank you very much, Sir! I really appreciate your help! :wahoo: 
Take care!
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July 22, 2013 10:36:16 AM

well for the above config.. the fx6350 is much better than the intel. I'd go with the intel.
Shit,i replied lately...;)
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July 22, 2013 4:14:12 PM

Thank you, Sir Sourodip, for the idea :D 
If you know of a nice, cheap graphics card, can you tell me? :wahoo: 
Take care! :D 
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July 23, 2013 5:41:41 AM

I will buy these in a local store here in my place because I found out that they're actually cheaper here. That's why I changed the parts but I based them on Sir Proximon's recommendation. Please tell me if they are all compatible with each other, guys. Thank you very much!

CPU
Intel Core i3-3225 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz
Motherboard
ASUS P8H77-M LE
Graphics card
MSI N630GT-MD4GD3 GeForce GT 630 4GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card (not necessarily this brand, but any GeForce 630 4gb. Most likely going to get the Nvidia one, but please suggest me a brand)
PSU
SILVERSTONE ST50F-ES 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Memory
Any of these Kingston HyperX 1600Mhz 2x4gb ( I don't know what brand, but I'll go for any 1600Mhz 2.4gb)
Storage
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Optical Drive
Still finding one...
Monitor
I have an old 1024x768 Dell Monitor but I'm sure I'll get an LED later on.
OS
Any Windows 7 64-bit
Case
Any case that will fit everything here :) 

Question: Do I still need a Lan Card, sound card, or any other card to make the system fully functional? I don't know what other parts I need but I am researching on it :) 

Thank you everyone!
I really appreciate your help :wahoo: 
Take care!
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July 23, 2013 6:05:56 AM

I see. I will try to see tomorrow or the next day if they (the local store) have any high-end memory. A high-end 1600Mhz 2x4gb, right Sir? Thank you for the link. I will get into it now :) 

*EDIT:
I'll probably get a graphics card which is on the list. I will get their prices, too, whenever I can visit the local store. Thanks a lot, Sir Proximon! :wahoo: 
...and, I will look for the memory you suggested.
Take care! :) 
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July 24, 2013 7:40:33 AM

Hi guys, I found this from the store:
PowerColor HD 6670 1Gb DDR3
This graphics card is from the link that Sir Proximon gave. this link.

...while I can't find the
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
I also can't find the processor Intel Core i3-3225 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz. Is an Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge compatible with the others? I will try to find this K version. I haven't found any yesterday.

Are all the parts compatible with each other including the graphics card but taking out the memory? I am still looking for a memory with a voltage=<1.5V, as Sir Proximon recommended.

Thank you, guys!
Take care!
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July 25, 2013 2:42:16 PM
July 25, 2013 10:21:46 PM

Thank you, Sir Proximon!
I now have some to choose from.
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August 3, 2013 8:59:52 AM

Hi, guys!
I decided to upgrade my old Pentium 4 PC. I will replace some of its parts. Please check this out for compatibility:

Buying tomorrow:
(colored in RED is from my Old PC.)
PSU: Ans Switching Power Supply Model: LC-B300 ATX (just like this)
Motherboard: Asus P8H77-M LE
CPU: Intel Pentium G2030 or Intel Pentium G2120
RAM: any 1gb ram (temporary. getting a gaming RAM soon)
Graphics Card: Intel Graphics (soon to be Radeon HD6670)
Storage: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 ATA/133 HDD 40Gb (this is from the old PC, will get Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive as soon as possible)
Optical Drive: I don't know its complete name, but it's Sony
Case: my old one

If the PSU can't run the current build, please tell me, I will buy one, too. How much Power does my System need? Please don't worry that this is not a good build for now. I plan on replacing everything but I need a working PC now.

Thank you very much, guys!
Take Care!
God bless!:) 
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August 3, 2013 9:17:39 AM

No, see the PSU guide linked in my signature. The PSU is probably not compatible with the new board and would likely not survive long even if it worked. Old PSUs supplied the same types of voltages, but in different priorities. Again, see the PSU guide.

The HDD is not going to be compatible with the board.

I can't say if your old case will work without knowing more about it.
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August 3, 2013 10:45:42 AM

Thank you, Sir Proximon! Please see the changes:

PSU: SILVERSTONE ST50F-ES 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Motherboard: Asus P8H61-M LX3 PLUS
CPU: Intel Pentium G2030 or Intel Pentium G2120
RAM: Micron 2GB DDR3 1333Mhz (temporary. getting a gaming RAM soon)
Graphics Card: Intel Graphics (soon to be Radeon HD6670)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Optical Drive: I don't know its complete name, but it's Sony
Case: my old one (This one houses an Asus P4P800-X Socket 478 ATX Motherboard / AGP 8X/4X / Audio / 10/100 LAN / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA, ANS 300W Power Supply Unit LC-B300ATX PSU ATX and nVidia GeForce MX4000 64mb)

Thank you for pointing me to your PSU Guide, Sir! I am still continuing to read it, though.
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August 3, 2013 1:36:07 PM

That's better :)  Make sure whatever RAM you use is 1.5V or lower. Consider leaving the side off your old case as needed to ensure adequate cooling.

The Silverstone PSU you selected is made by Sirtec and is capable of 34amps of 12V power. About the same as a good 450W. It's not a bad PSU though.
However, because of free shipping this Rosewill is actually less up front:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It delivers more 12V power and will be a better choice going forward. It's a well tested PSU from ATNG and since Rosewill is the newegg house brand support is not too bad either.
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August 3, 2013 6:50:47 PM

Thank you very much, Sir! You really are a great help to me! :) 
I like the PSU! I will sure to get that when I have the funds. I will get the items from the local store. I will find that PSU here. If I can't find it, I will purchase it through Newegg :D 

Thank you very much, Sir Proximon!
Take Care!
Max
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August 30, 2013 12:05:15 PM

Hi, guys!
I came back to tell you that I have built the PC.
CPU: Intel Pentium G2030 3.0Ghz
Mobo: Asus P8H61-M LX3 Plus R2.0
I will post all the parts when it is complete.
I want to ask which of these RAMs is the best and is compatible with my PC:
1. Corsair Dominator Platinum with FREE Corsair Dominator Light Bar Upgrade kit
2. Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Low Profile Heat Spreader
3. Corsair Vengeance™ LP DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Low Profile Heat Spreader
4. Corsair Vengeance™ LP DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Cerulean Blue Low Profile Heat Spreader
5. Corsair Vengeance™ LP DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL9 w/Jet Black Low Profile Heat Spreader
6. Corsair Vengeance™ LP DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL10 w/Jet Black Low Profile Heat Spreader
7. Corsair Vengeance™ LP DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL10 w/Cerulean Blue Low Profile Heat Spreader
8. Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
9. Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Cerulean Blue Heat Spreader
10. Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL9 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
11. Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL10 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
12. Corsair Vengeance™ DDR3 1600 8GB 8GBx1kit CL10 w/Cerulean Blue Heat Spreader
13. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
14. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Cerulean Blue Heat Spreader
15. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Ferrari Red Heat Spreader
16. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1866 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
17. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1866 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Cerulean Blue Heat Spreader
18. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 1866 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Ferrari Red Heat Spreader
19. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 2133 8GB 4GBx2kit CL11 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
20. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 2133 8GB 4GBx2kit CL11 w/Ferrari Red Heat Spreader
21. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 2133 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Jet Black Heat Spreader
22. Corsair Vengeance™ Pro DDR3 2133 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/Ferrari Red Heat Spreader
23. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/LED DHX Heatsink
24. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 1600 8GB 4GBx2kit CL8 w/LED DHX Heatsink
25. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 1866 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/LED DHX Heatsink
26. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 2133 8GB 4GBx2kit CL9 w/LED DHX Heatsink
27. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 2400 8GB 4GBx2kit CL10 w/LED DHX Heatsink
28. Corsair Dominator Platinum™ DDR3 2666 8GB 4GBx2kit CL11 w/LED DHX Heatsink

I am not confident in finding links for them because they all look the same to me. Sorry. Please do help me.

Thank you very much!
God bless!:) 
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August 30, 2013 12:28:52 PM

The best kit is the one with the best price that meets all these points:

DDR3
1600Mhz or faster
CL 9 or lower (for 1600 Mhz RAM, higher CLs for faster RAM are OK)
1.5V or lower

Nothing else matters so much, except that if you have tall heatsinks on the RAM it might interfere with some CPU coolers. Since you are not overclocking the height of the RAM heatsink is probably not important one way or the other.
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August 30, 2013 6:35:36 PM

Thank you very much, Sir Proximon!
I really appreciate all your help :D 
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September 1, 2013 3:51:29 AM

I am choosing among these for my Graphics card:
1GB Radeon HD 6670 DDR3 128bit
2GB Radeon HD 7850 DDR5 256bit
2GB Radeon HD 7870 DDR5 256bit
1GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 550 TI 192bit DDR5
1GB Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 256bit DDR5
1GB ATI Radeon 7770 DDR5 128bit
1GB ATI Radeon 6770 DDR5 128bit
1GB ATI Radeon 6850 DDR5 256bit

Which one is compatible and the best for me, guys? Thank you very much!
PSU: Generic 600W (will change this soon, of course)
God bless!:) 
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September 1, 2013 1:40:17 PM

Well, the 7870 is the fastest card. It all depends on what you are paying. Followed by the 7850. GTX 560 takes 3rd place.
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September 2, 2013 8:41:33 AM

Thank you very much, Sir Proximon! :) 
May I ask which is the best among these?:
1GB ATI Radeon 6570 DDR3 128bit
1GB ATI Radeon 6670 DDR3 128bit
GB Nvidia GeForce 630 128bit DDR5
4 GB Nvidia GeForce 630 128bit DDR3
2 GB Nvidia GeForce 630 128bit DDR3
I might just buy something in this price range. Please choose 1 among these and if you can suggest a better one in this price range, please do tell me. You have been a great help, Sir Proximon!
Thank you very much!
God bless!:) 
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September 2, 2013 4:51:15 PM

Are these compatible with my mobo, Sir? It is a Pci-e 2.0.
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September 3, 2013 1:55:15 AM

Yes they are.
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September 5, 2013 12:09:46 AM

The hd7770 is the best if u can find it cheaper or the hd7750.
OR the new hd7730?
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September 8, 2013 11:18:04 PM

Which one should I get, Sir Proximon?
hd 7770
hd 7750
hd 7730 (haven't found this in any store yet)
hd 6770 gddr5

1, 2 & 3 are almost the same in price.
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September 8, 2013 11:27:34 PM

The 7770 is the best
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September 8, 2013 11:31:08 PM

Thank you, Sir Proximon!
I think I'll definitely get that one.
It's compatible with my mobo, right? Asus P8H61-M LX3 Plus R2.0
has 1 pcie 3.0 slot.
also, my monitor is connected by VGA cable.
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September 8, 2013 11:40:37 PM

The card will probably come with a DVI to VGA (or D-sub) adapter. If not, they are cheap and easy to find. otherwise yes, it's compatible
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