So I see a bunch of RAM on the list on the MSI website but none of them are really all that impressive. I was wondering if I plugged in some hyberx beasts if the mobo would register them? Thanks in advance.
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if its not on the list of ram the mb won't recognise it. that doesn't mean it won't work. only that you'll have to enter the settings by hand. it's also possible it won't work or be stable at it's current settings... but that is more dependent on the cpu and chipset then anything else.
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They should run run fine if you have a K model CPU and OC, QVLs are worthless, see my info thread below:
http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=10566
As far as voltages go, wit DRAM look for sets 1866 and below at 1.5 volts, 2133 and up more often than not requires higher voltage of 1.6 to 1.65 which is perfectly fine.....With the lower freq sticks (up to 1866) if they require more than 1.5 which is the JEDEC standar, then it's often due to weak ICs (memory chips) being used or they are old style sticks
http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=10566
As far as voltages go, wit DRAM look for sets 1866 and below at 1.5 volts, 2133 and up more often than not requires higher voltage of 1.6 to 1.65 which is perfectly fine.....With the lower freq sticks (up to 1866) if they require more than 1.5 which is the JEDEC standar, then it's often due to weak ICs (memory chips) being used or they are old style sticks
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no... intel cpus... at least IB and SB tended to have issues with ram in the 1.6+ V range. (i'm not sure about haswell, but last i checked intel didn't lower their ram compatibility standards) I've had to fix clients with intel cpus and ram that ran at too high a voltage in the past. Recently i helped someone on these forums with the same problem. just because one person can do it (run ram at 1.60V) doesn't mean the next one will, as it comes down to the specific cpu/mb in question.
to suggest someone buy ram outside intel's own product specs isn't particularly responsible.
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Really......... I find that odd because since the release of SB, I have well over 100 builds on SB and IB and never once encountered problems with DRAM at 1.6 or 1.65 (all of my builds utilized 1866 and above), nor have I on rigs brough to me for repairs and upgrades, which is more than I build (and by the way when I get systems for this type work I generally test them with faster, higher end, higher voltage sticks to see how the sets work on those mobos and CPUs for my own knowledge).....Intels specs are based on running CPUs at stock settings and keeping DRAM voltage in line with the MC voltage, which is why I (and most knowledgeable builders stay away from any newer sticks at 1866 or below that run 1.6 or 1.65)....Also if this were even remotely true then there would be problems with most anyone running 2133 and above, which also is just not happening, if it were, they wouldn't be making the sticks at 1.65 and the sticks wouldn't be such great sellers. The main problems come in with uninformed buyers (and techies working on them) not knowing DRAM or how to set it up, which for the most part in this day and age is relatively simple - use XMP and start with an OC od 4GHZ or so to set up say 2400 DRAM - that little "(OC)" next to various DRAM freqs in mobo specs means a CPU OC may be required to run sticks at spec...so please make sure of YOUR facts, because just because you have had problems doesn't mean other have or will
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i know what i've seen. and yes, in the two cases i've had to downclock the ram and undervolt it to stabilize the system, they both were working at stock settings.
I still stand by the assertion that buying ram outside of intel's own product specs in irresponsible. Congratulations on your run of good luck or whatever it is. But i know i wouldn't do business with someone so cavalier about product specs.
I still stand by the assertion that buying ram outside of intel's own product specs in irresponsible. Congratulations on your run of good luck or whatever it is. But i know i wouldn't do business with someone so cavalier about product specs.
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That's fine and it's your assertion, your thought, your theory, etc.....that doesn't make it everybody else's, and if you've only encountered this twice, then you obviously haven't done much with PCs or simply only 'work' on entry level and pre-builts (where you prob ran into this problem) as they have locked BIOS's and I do most of my work with high end systems, it's a big difference....Also according to Intel OCing is out of spec and voids warranty, so I would say the cavalier ones here are Intel - why would they MAKE CPUs to OC when they say they won't stand behind their product if you do so, rather two faced of them, I'd say....also strange that they are certified some sets of sticks as XMP compliant that run at 1.6 and 1.65, wonder what they tested them with?
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Thats a good question.
As to my own level of experience, on a day to day basis i mostly keep my ministries dozens of P4s and ancient Celerons running (ram voltage isn't something i deal with regularly as it isn't an issue), I salvage all the computers we get donated for parts, and rebuild these ancient junk piles from the ground up when they break down, or just to upgrade everything to win7 (that's a headache, digging up the graphic cards and good ram to allow p4s and celerons to run windows 7). Of course we do get some good eq in from time to time... but that's usually the exception not the rule. I make a little money on the side building modern systems, repairing non-ministry computers, and troubleshooting, and have been an overclocking enthusiast since i was 16 (back in 94).
You raise an excellent question about intel (and amd's) business practices. Why intel would approve ram outside their own product specs is baffling to me, when according to their disclaimers it invalidates the warranty on their own chip. That they release a chip with a "K" designation and in the next breath state that using the chip as designed invalidates the warranty... yeah.
It is very two faced.
As a sidenote, what i do on my own computer and what i suggest to others rarely matches. I've always aproached overclocking and performance computing with an almost reckless abandon... in my mind these parts are meant to be pushed till they break, and if you can't afford breaking them, you shouldn't be pushing them. Of course right now i can't afford to break my stuff, so i am babying it a bit more then i like.
But when i talk to someone else, i try to give advice assuming that they can't afford to break anything, and expect their parts to survive a while. so my advice to others tends to differ a bit from how i work on my own stuff. So on a personal level i get why you would suggest someone go with 1.65V ram. lord knows i probably would if it was my only option (and it is at 2400+ speeds).
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My points exactly and I commend you for your work on the older systems, I often take them in as trade-in and end end up refurbishing them and sellin/giving them away to folks who have their systems die and can't be repaired
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