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July 21, 2013 3:24:51 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: This week.

Budget Range: $900-$1100 After Rebates.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Internet, Movies, Music, Programming, photoshop, school.

Are you buying a monitor:No.



Do you need to buy OS:No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com, amazon.com.

Location: Austin, Texas (about 3 to 4 hours from microcenter.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes (in the future i plan on adding another 760)

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 60hz

Additional Comments: Im going to be playing a wide range of games from league of legends to Crysis. I generally would like to play at high settings to ultra but wouldn't mind turning down the resolution for games like crysis im pretty flexible because im currently playing games on a 8600m gs hp laptop :) 

I have most of my parts chosen just having trouble selecting a power supply thats modular and supports dual sli gtx 760(for future proofing).

I am also interested in case recommendations.

I also need clarification on the compatibility of the ram(1.65v) listed and the rest of my build.

I would also appreciate any advice that can be given to cost efficiency while maintaining quality(better part choices if possible)

Full build
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/anansi/saved/20rA

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($58.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $76.98)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $994.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-21 17:38 EDT-0400)

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July 21, 2013 4:28:40 PM

you want ram at a lower voltage then that with an intel system; here would be my changes, trying to keep it inside your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $76.98)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1145.20
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-21 19:28 EDT-0400)

I kept your case. I have the antec ninehundred and two, love it. it's an awesome case. I've seen the elevenhundred, it's a good case (I'd still take my 900&2 over it) with some nutso good airflow. The only case i'd recommend you look at is a Raven RV02; that's one of the few cases in the same class as an antec 1100, there are more, but i don't feel like listing a bunch.
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July 22, 2013 11:04:22 AM

ingtar33 said:
you want ram at a lower voltage then that with an intel system; here would be my changes, trying to keep it inside your budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $76.98)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($254.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1145.20
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-21 19:28 EDT-0400)

I kept your case. I have the antec ninehundred and two, love it. it's an awesome case. I've seen the elevenhundred, it's a good case (I'd still take my 900&2 over it) with some nutso good airflow. The only case i'd recommend you look at is a Raven RV02; that's one of the few cases in the same class as an antec 1100, there are more, but i don't feel like listing a bunch.



I appreciate the advice i didnt catch that ram when i was coming up with the build thats def a better buy.
I do plan on using air cooling do you think the evo would be sufficient in cooling for a moderate oc nothing too extreme.
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July 22, 2013 11:12:02 AM

I'd do something similar to the above build but on Intel rigs 1866 is actually a waste of money and has the potential to be warranty-voiding on your CPU. I would do something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($135.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vector Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($93.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($71.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1108.07
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-22 14:11 EDT-0400)

- Better case and SSD than the above build
- Dropped liquid cooler
- Dropped 1866 RAM
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July 22, 2013 2:16:58 PM

Anansi said:

I appreciate the advice i didnt catch that ram when i was coming up with the build thats def a better buy.
I do plan on using air cooling do you think the evo would be sufficient in cooling for a moderate oc nothing too extreme.


with haswell overclocking depends on the chip. some can't overclock well at all... others will do fairly good. The big problem generally is there apparently is an air gap between the TIM paste intel uses inside their heat spreaders and the heat spreader. This prevents the transfer of heat from the chip to the cpu cooler. and nothing you can do about it short of voiding your warranty and removing the heat spreader, risking damaging your chip (called delidding).

Since heat doesn't transfer from the core to the heatsink well due to a design flaw, the cpu cooler you get will have questionable effectiveness, limited mostly by how flawed your Haswell is. Generally speaking the better the heatsink the better your overclocking results. As THG just proved, better heatsinks then the hyper evo can struggle with the Haswell.

Generally the antec 902 is so efficient it's perhaps one of the best air cooling towers you can get. So you'll be maximizing any air cooler you get. I would experiment with orientation of your air cooler. I got the best result with my thermalright ultra 120 extreme when pointed up at the big fan on the top... that said not all coolers work in that orientation some need to be pointed at the back rather then up to get the best results. That is something you'll have to find on your own.
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July 22, 2013 4:18:07 PM

Thank you for the info i have heard of the issue with haswell just no one ever explained the problem in detail.
I have another issue thats come up regarding the gpu it seems all of the msi tf 760 are out of stock at all the retailers which seems weird is that normal and how long does it usually take to get back in stock weeks or months.

If i cant find an msi tf 760 i was thinking the asus dcu2 760 would be the next best replacement for maximum cooling and sound is that right.

I was also thinking of going with the mushkin enhanced radioactive ram since they are the same price as the blackline at 76.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 23, 2013 1:16:26 AM

Anansi said:
Thank you for the info i have heard of the issue with haswell just no one ever explained the problem in detail.
I have another issue thats come up regarding the gpu it seems all of the msi tf 760 are out of stock at all the retailers which seems weird is that normal and how long does it usually take to get back in stock weeks or months.

If i cant find an msi tf 760 i was thinking the asus dcu2 760 would be the next best replacement for maximum cooling and sound is that right.

I was also thinking of going with the mushkin enhanced radioactive ram since they are the same price as the blackline at 76.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The Asus Direct CU has an awesome aftermarket heatsink, and considering nvidia's turbo boost II is so effective, getting a cooler card is a good idea to squeeze the most performance out of it.

Mushkin ram is all fairly high quality. So you won't really go wrong with any of it. That said the different types of ram do tell a story for what the ram is for.

Essentials - no heat spreader, cheap
Silverline - basically an essential with a small heatsink
Radioactive - generally this ram is low voltage good latency performance ram with a yellow heatsink
Blackline - generally this ram is low voltage good latency performance ram with a black heatsink
Stealth - generally this ram is low voltage good latency performance ram with a smaller cheaper black heatsink
Redline - flagship performance ram (seriously, some of the best available from anyone), this is low latency, higher voltage performance ram with a good heatsink
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July 23, 2013 9:53:31 AM

Alright so this is what i came up with in the end.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($93.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $76.98)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.98 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1173.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-23 12:40 EDT-0400)
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July 23, 2013 1:14:43 PM

looks good, no issues anywhere. Though know the Define 4 is a step backward for your internal case temps. Its a high quality case; but because its a "quiet" cpu case it really limits airflow fairly significantly. Its a matter of what you want. a quiet cpu case is awesome if you just don't want to hear your system. That's a great cpu cooler for low noise as well. However, if you just want a high performance system, the case will be an issue, as it won't vent the hot air you build through overclocking particularly effective. The 1100 is really good at that.
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July 23, 2013 2:17:34 PM

I did notice that about the case so i planned on removing the two drive bays on the bottom and mounting the ssd on the bottom to help with airflow and adding some extra case fans for exhaust out of the top if that doesnt work i might just have to switch to liquid cooling.
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July 23, 2013 2:29:51 PM

Anansi said:
I did notice that about the case so i planned on removing the two drive bays on the bottom and mounting the ssd on the bottom to help with airflow and adding some extra case fans for exhaust out of the top if that doesnt work i might just have to switch to liquid cooling.


Sounds like you're ready to pull the trigger. good luck with your build!
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July 25, 2013 3:40:09 AM

Great system hardware you have selected, but i would go with the Eleven Hundred as well. I run this case and it is awesome. The airflow this bad boy pumps out is crazy. For Air cooling its brilliant, but i run a H100i in mine and it works a treat. Dual fans over the graphics cards is a real help and work to reduce temps, especially when overclocking and running in SLI or Crossfire.

Good luck with the build!
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August 6, 2013 1:13:04 PM

For a case, I would suggest the Corsair 400R, 500R, or the C70. Both have great airflow, and they all are tool-less.
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