I5 4670k vs FX-8350?

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I'm building a gaming PC (first time build) and I am stuck between these CPU's. I know the "next-gen" consoles will have 8 core AMD CPU's, will the FX CPU be better for "next-gen" games?

(Will be OC'ing)
 
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As far as gaming goes either CPU will be able to handle any game out there with no problems at all. I have a FX-8350 with a Crossfire HD 7970 16gig DDR3 1600 and a i5 3570K with a SLI GTX 670 16gig DDR3 1600 and have not had any problems playing any game I have(over 240 just on Steam) with either rig. So the choose really comes down to what you prefer. Intel or AMD it all comes down to what you want and can afford. But in either case putting it with a quality motherboard and GPU you will have a rig that can play all the games out now and down the road.
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As far as gaming goes either CPU will be able to handle any game out there with no problems at all. I have a FX-8350 with a Crossfire HD 7970 16gig DDR3 1600 and a i5 3570K with a SLI GTX 670 16gig DDR3 1600 and have not had any problems playing any game I have(over 240 just on Steam) with either rig. So the choose really comes down to what you prefer. Intel or AMD it all comes down to what you want and can afford. But in either case putting it with a quality motherboard and GPU you will have a rig that can play all the games out now and down the road.
 
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The AMD option is actually cheaper. The 8350 is 199.99, 8320 is 159.99(OC it up to 8350). AMD motherboards are actually cheaper than Z87 motherboards of similar quality. IE. Crosshair V Formula is 239.99+ 20 dollars off instantly with a code so 219.99. A z87 RoG board is 329.99 for the Maximus VI Formula. So its about 150 cheaper just for the 8350 and Crosshair V.

The 8350 and i5 perform similarly in games, they trade blows depending on if its a core heavy game or single thread heavy. The i5 performs better in synthetic benchmarks but the 8350 is better in most productivity test. Its all up to you in the end. The 8350 does OC better though.
 
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i dont know how reliable this is but linustechtips claims that the 8350 vs 3570 can save around 70 dollars mostly because of the motherboards. that being said the 8320 or 6300 which are around 160 and 120 USD with a small overclock will play games the same as an 8350, the extra 2 cores (6300 6 core and 8320/8350 8 cores) wont really make a difference in gaming and im not entirely sure will even though consoles will have 8 cores. In short if you want to save money get the 8320 or 6300 and do a small overclock and it should play games as good as the 8350. the 4670 is different currently its better but some people think games will use 8 cores, i personally dont think so, the games still need to be structured for pc to play them and the average game is probably still going to be using 2 or 4 cores on pc.
 
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Clock for clock the 3570K outruns the 8350 in EVERYTHING but rendering video, the above takes reference to the numerous reviews benchmarks with the 3570K at stock clock 3.4 vs the artificially inflated 8350s 4 GHz 'stock' clock, put them both at 4 and it's no contest...also a typical 8350 can OC to about 4.8 - 4.9 or a .8 - .9 OC, where as a typical 3570K cam OC from 3.4 to 4.8 or so a 1.4 OC, so obviously the 3570K OCs much better...There is no trading blows - it's a knockout for the 3570K ;)
 
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Not many people can get their 3570k to 4.8ghz, even with a custom loop which is quite expensive, once you get to a certain thermal wall you will gain no ground even while pushing more volts. I have a 3570k and mine personally will only do 4.4ghz at 1.32v which is a lot of volts to run through one and isnt recommended for 24/7 use. However 95% of people with a 3570k get around 4.2-4.4ghz there is a small percentage who can get higher. 95% of 8350's can OC to 4.6ghz and remain stable for 24/7 use. Also syntehtic benchmarks are just that, synthetic, they hold no truth for real world usage. So if a 3570k absolutely plasters a 8350 in synthetics doesnt mean that in real world apps it will smoke it. The 8350 and 3570k are neck and neck in games. You cant tell a 3-5fps difference.
Also Crysis 3 does use more than 2 cores and so does BF3, BF4 will also use more than 2, so something with more cores will be better in the future, especially with the next gen consoles using 8 cores it will be easier to port to PC and should use more cores.

At the end of the day though, AMD is cheaper to get into and will do the job just fine. The i5 is not the end all be all or the only option for a gaming rig.
 
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I m talking real world, which as you say is far different from benchmarks, I don't know how many AMD users come to me and after a swings on a 3570K or even my 2500K, they are converts for life - and from the builds I've done with the 3570K, 4.6 is closer to the norm (about 70 builds and lots of upgrades) than your 4.2 - 4.4 and most can go even higher, and I am talking 24/7 rigs, most all my builds are for business and/or gamers.
You are correct that the AMD is cheaper, but the 8350 isn't much more than a overclocked 8150, much the same as the 9590 or 9370 again just being higher clocked 8350 and they show with what 220 watts vs the 125 8350 - and what, still (for what they are worth - benchmarks I mean) 8 cores/9370 under performs a stock 3770K or a 4770K (running almost 1GHz slower) or the 9590, slower than a stock 4770K
 
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There is no denying that the i5 or i7 out performs a 8350. As far as the overclock goes, its all about the silicon lottery. I may may have gotten a lesser silicon in my 3570k, im just saying that on the norm you cant look at getting 4.8 from a 3570k kinda unrealistic.

People can scream and holler about how much better Intel is over AMD, but unless your doing rendering or streaming you cant really tell the difference in games. The 8350 outperforms the i5 in rendering and streaming but not the i7. Their efficiency is pretty crappy but they are cheaper. So for a gamer on a budget or just looking for the best deal the 8350 is a clear winner since it is cheaper and can hang with the i5 and i7 in gaming.

So for a first time builder like the OP it would make more sense to get an AMD solution and put the money saved into a higher end graphics card because that will give the most performance, in games.
 
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Also i wouldnt get a haswell period. Eff that noise, paying that extra dough for minimal performance gains, more heat and a higher TDP. The z87 has some nice features but not worth the premium, if going with Intel id suggest Ivy Bridge.
 
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That's in part why I normally STILL suggest the IB CPUS, plus price is down, mobo price is down, etcand they be around for awhile....actually the SB is still very viable if you could find much for them, my 2500K goes 24/7 at 4.8 and will stand head to head w/ an OCed 8350 (between those it's a tossup (8350 still rules in rendering, but with other things it's back and forth)....Just built a Haswell this weekend, (actually still in the process and will have to see how it goes, went with the 4770K)
 
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Yea im building a new system in a few weeks. Going with a 4770k( i like the features of Z87) id much prefer a 3770k but what can ya do, Z87 is a good chipset. Stuck between a maximus 6 formula and the MSI Z87 GD-65. Thats a toss up. Should be beast.

Yea i wish SB could still be bought, i loved my 2500k.
 
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It is funny reading all the back and forth between the i5 and FX-8350 but at the end of the day my FX-8350 fitted with a Crossfire HD 7970 and G. Skill 16gig DDR3 1600 can handle it's own against my i5 3570K fitted with a SLI Gigabyte GTX 670 and G.Skill 16gig DDR3 1600. The main difference between the two was the money I saved on the AMD/ATI rig I was able to get a custom XSPC water cooling kit and a few other parts that I simply could not do going intel/Nvidia because of the higher intel/Nvidia tax there just was nothing left for extras.

In the end I have spent about $400 more to bring my i5 rig up to where I have my FX rig. The fact is most games are GPU limited and rely less and less on the CPU. At 60fps Vsync'ed both rigs can handle any game I have at 1080p or 5760x1080 ultra/max no problems. At the end of the day that is what counts.

While I am not a fanboy of any one manufactures I only built this i5 rig for a Hackintosh build. At the time Apple did not have drivers for the HD 7xxx cards so I had to go Nvidia. All in all I am happy with the SLI GTX 670 setup it just that I had been with AMD/ATI since my Nvidia 7800GS(AGP) died. When I went to replace it Nvidia had nothing for the AGP socket and I was forced to go with AMD/ATI. To that end I got a Sapphire HD 3850(AGP) and it just blew my mind how well it ran. Before that I had tried ATI on and off and they just never ran as well as Nvidia. Since then I had staid with AMD/ATI though the 4850 5850 6950>6970 and then the 7950 and 7970 Crossfire rigs. Came back to Nvidia with this rig and the GTX 670 SLI.
 
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