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does maxing games out at 1080p require overclockable cpu?

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July 22, 2013 2:51:03 AM

Hi guys,
August is near, so is the time for the biggest upgrade in history lol... I'm going mini itx and i already have a gtx 780 from gigabyte. I would really love to go for the 4770 non-k + h87i plus but i dont know if to enable all filters in games the stock speed is enough. If not, I'll go for the i5 4670k + z87i pro. I would like HT in my cpu cause i do some video editing, but my priority is to squeeze out all the performance my graphics card is capable of. So what do you think?

Ps: the monitor is going to be the asus ve278h. It's a 2ms response time 60hz monitor at 1080p.
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July 22, 2013 2:59:36 AM

Nope. There is absolutely no reason why you would need to overclock to run any game at 1080p. If you have to overclock to get that sort of performance increase from your games, there is no point and you should simply upgrade your CPU. But you are looking at the 4770 yes? This will be ample. You can currently run all modern games at 1080p on a core 2 duo providing you keep other graphics setting low. Therefore, process of elimination states that a 4770 coupled with a 780 will most definatly play all games at far above 1080p (2k-4k) on high graphics settings.

Hope this put your mind at ease! =)
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July 22, 2013 3:02:13 AM

You wont need to overclock it at all to max games at 1080P.
iam runing a 780 with a i5 3470 and iam "squeezing out" all the perofrmence i can, even OCed my 780 to get more performence.

if you had a i5 2500 at stock speed, you still wouldnt bottleneck the 780.
and the diffrence between lets say ur cpu runing at 3.6 ghz or runing at 4.5ghz will maybe be 1-4 frames in some cpu heavy games a bit more, but you would still get more then 60 so dosent really matter.

point is, high end cpus are MUCH more advanced then high end gpu, and the gpu will be the one bottlenecking you.

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July 22, 2013 3:07:50 AM

DjDafiDak said:
You wont need to overclock it at all to max games at 1080P.
iam runing a 780 with a i5 3470 and iam "squeezing out" all the perofrmence i can, even OCed my 780 to get more performence.

if you had a i5 2500 at stock speed, you still wouldnt bottleneck the 780.
and the diffrence between lets say ur cpu runing at 3.6 ghz or runing at 4.5ghz will maybe be 1-4 frames in some cpu heavy games a bit more, but you would still get more then 60 so dosent really matter.

point is, high end cpus are MUCH more advanced then high end gpu, and the gpu will be the one bottlenecking you.



Thank you both for the replies.

You said i would still get more than 60fps. Do you think i should go for 120hz monitor? If so I'd get the 4570 + h87i plus and the vg278he which is a 144hz monitor
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July 22, 2013 3:11:31 AM

Generally, there isn't that much to be gained from overclocking for the sake gaming. Either CPU and a GTX 780 is going to destroy pretty much any game on the market today, even without overclocking. I run a i7-3770K with a GTX 770 4GB and destroy everything I play, so you should be fine.

As for choosing between the two processors, I don't understand why the i7-4770K isn't an option. I look at overclocking as something nice to have in your back pocket should you ever find yourself doing something that would benefit from it, and buying a 4770K would give you that option. That said, there are H87 boards that use a few tricks to allow overclocking, but this requires K-series chips.
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July 22, 2013 3:37:37 AM

gbryan101 said:
Generally, there isn't that much to be gained from overclocking for the sake gaming. Either CPU and a GTX 780 is going to destroy pretty much any game on the market today, even without overclocking. I run a i7-3770K with a GTX 770 4GB and destroy everything I play, so you should be fine.

As for choosing between the two processors, I don't understand why the i7-4770K isn't an option. I look at overclocking as something nice to have in your back pocket should you ever find yourself doing something that would benefit from it, and buying a 4770K would give you that option. That said, there are H87 boards that use a few tricks to allow overclocking, but this requires K-series chips.


Because z87i pro + i5 4670k is ~ 350 euros, h87i plus + 4770 is 350 and h87i plus + 4570 is ~ 250 and i can use the spare 100 euros and buy the vg278he which is 100 euros more than the ve278h... that is why :p 
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July 22, 2013 4:01:04 AM

j0ndafr3ak said:
gbryan101 said:
Generally, there isn't that much to be gained from overclocking for the sake gaming. Either CPU and a GTX 780 is going to destroy pretty much any game on the market today, even without overclocking. I run a i7-3770K with a GTX 770 4GB and destroy everything I play, so you should be fine.

As for choosing between the two processors, I don't understand why the i7-4770K isn't an option. I look at overclocking as something nice to have in your back pocket should you ever find yourself doing something that would benefit from it, and buying a 4770K would give you that option. That said, there are H87 boards that use a few tricks to allow overclocking, but this requires K-series chips.


Because z87i pro + i5 4670k is ~ 350 euros, h87i plus + 4770 is 350 and h87i plus + 4570 is ~ 250 and i can use the spare 100 euros and buy the vg278he which is 100 euros more than the ve278h... that is why :p 


I see, that is actually a pretty big difference. I am going to guess that you don't have a monitor you can use temporarily so you could save up should you go with the 4670K or 4770. I guess that in your situation, I would buy the i5-4670K and the VE278H, unless you do A LOT of video editing. Last generation, I bought the 3770K over the 3570K and I honestly see little benefit to it. Granted, I expected to do more work with Inkscape and GIMP.

If nothing else, you can get another monitor later and sell your old one or use it in addition to the other.
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July 22, 2013 4:06:00 AM

gbryan101 said:
j0ndafr3ak said:
gbryan101 said:
Generally, there isn't that much to be gained from overclocking for the sake gaming. Either CPU and a GTX 780 is going to destroy pretty much any game on the market today, even without overclocking. I run a i7-3770K with a GTX 770 4GB and destroy everything I play, so you should be fine.

As for choosing between the two processors, I don't understand why the i7-4770K isn't an option. I look at overclocking as something nice to have in your back pocket should you ever find yourself doing something that would benefit from it, and buying a 4770K would give you that option. That said, there are H87 boards that use a few tricks to allow overclocking, but this requires K-series chips.


Because z87i pro + i5 4670k is ~ 350 euros, h87i plus + 4770 is 350 and h87i plus + 4570 is ~ 250 and i can use the spare 100 euros and buy the vg278he which is 100 euros more than the ve278h... that is why :p 


I see, that is actually a pretty big difference. I am going to guess that you don't have a monitor you can use temporarily so you could save up should you go with the 4670K or 4770. I guess that in your situation, I would buy the i5-4670K and the VE278H, unless you do A LOT of video editing. Last generation, I bought the 3770K over the 3570K and I honestly see little benefit to it. Granted, I expected to do more work with Inkscape and GIMP.

If nothing else, you can get another monitor later and sell your old one or use it in addition to the other.


No i dont have a spare monitor at the moment. But i could plug it in to my 32" full hd tv.

Why wouldn't you buy a 144hz monitor? Wouldn't it be a better gaming experience?
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July 22, 2013 4:13:18 AM

I wouldn't buy one either due to vastly inferior image quality. Unfortunately there are no 120Hz or 144Hz monitors with really good image quality. I'd personally go with the ASUS PA248Q (or save a load of money and grab a quality 23"er).
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July 22, 2013 4:21:36 AM

sam_p_lay said:
I wouldn't buy one either due to vastly inferior image quality. Unfortunately there are no 120Hz or 144Hz monitors with really good image quality. I'd personally go with the ASUS PA248Q (or save a load of money and grab a quality 23"er).


You mean pixel density? The monitor you suggested has a response time of 6ms. Seems high to me. What about the Vg248qe? It's a 144hz monitor and has a response time of 1ms
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July 22, 2013 4:33:04 AM

Like I say, it's not possible to have those refresh rates AND good image quality. It's an inherent limitation of the fact that you're using a TN film panel monitor. TN is cheap and crappy, but it's the only panel type capable of delivering that much speed. Forget response times anyway - they're irrelevant. I won't deny that the VG278HE is faster, but that's down to an extremely effective RTC overdrive implementation more than anything (same RTC overdrive is present on the ASUS IPS/PLS models I suggested, giving them excellent speed that doesn't compromise quality).

Personally I'd rather have 95% as much speed if the alternative is 50% as much quality. The way I see it, it's like gaming at 800x600 and dropping all settings to minimum just for the sake of speed. Personally, I want to have quality AND speed, which is why I invest in a decent GPU so that I don't have to choose one or the other. I'd notice the lack of quality much more than I'd notice a tiny bit less speed, which is why I'd choose quality. If you only care about speed above all else, the VG278HE is about as fast as it gets.

And you're right that pixel density is also inferior, though that's not the main thing I was talking about.
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July 22, 2013 4:41:48 AM

sam_p_lay said:
Like I say, it's not possible to have those refresh rates AND good image quality. It's an inherent limitation of the fact that you're using a TN film panel monitor. TN is cheap and crappy, but it's the only panel type capable of delivering that much speed. Forget response times anyway - they're irrelevant. I won't deny that the VG278HE is faster, but that's down to an extremely effective RTC overdrive implementation more than anything (same RTC overdrive is present on the ASUS IPS/PLS models I suggested, giving them excellent speed that doesn't compromise quality).

Personally I'd rather have 95% as much speed if the alternative is 50% as much quality. The way I see it, it's like gaming at 800x600 and dropping all settings to minimum just for the sake of speed. Personally, I want to have quality AND speed, which is why I invest in a decent GPU so that I don't have to choose one or the other. I'd notice the lack of quality much more than I'd notice a tiny bit less speed, which is why I'd choose quality. If you only care about speed above all else, the VG278HE is about as fast as it gets.

And you're right that pixel density is also inferior, though that's not the main thing I was talking about.


Ok now it all makes sense. and wow it's a 1980x1200 resolution. I think i may go for the PA248Q. So i just have to pick the cpu+mobo combo. If overclock doesn't bring about any substantial performance gain, I'd rather pay for HT at this point and get the 4770
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July 22, 2013 4:45:37 AM

Good choice :-) Set the "Trace Free" option in the menu to 40 for best pixel response (don't set it too high or it'll actually give worse results). And I'd also be inclined to grab an i7, since they have started to show performance gains in games (though only one or two). As a sign of things to come though, I think it's probably a smart choice.
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July 22, 2013 4:47:47 AM

Thank you all for your help! I really appreciated it
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July 22, 2013 4:53:20 AM

Glad I could help :-)
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