Iv got a somewhat stupid question, Can I use a Pentium® D 3.4GHZ LGA775 on a D865GBF Motherboard?

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I looked for it on the internet but got nothing, so I am asking here.
I know that the CPU and my motherboard are both LGA775 socket,
so no problems there. My real question is does the BIOS/Chipset support it?
I found one for sale on Amazon <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Pentium-3-4Ghz-Fsb800Mhz-Lga775/dp/B000IEO964/ref=sr_1_3/181-0025215-5589643?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1374515165&sr=1-3&keywords=intel+pentium+4>HERE</A> for really cheap and it has very good reviews. I currently have some really wierd OEM Pentium 4 @ 2.55GHZ with dual integrated MMX from 2001. I want a upgrade but dont have much money so I thought this was a great deal. Like I said in the question my MB is a Intel D865GBF REV C25370-002 with the (I think) latest BIOS firmware revision with a custom splash screen done with the Intel OEM BIOS customization tools by myself and every additional hardware module I could find flashed onto it. I am using Windows XP® Home Edition and a custom Linux I made myself. My PSU is sufficient as it is a Rosewill 500W with lots of connectors (8 SATA, 2 Molex, 1 CPUx4, 1 CPUx 8 and 2 PCIE power) and has a 3 year warrenty that covers everything including what it kills if it does die. I have a Western Digital Green 500GB HDD WD5000AZRX-00A8LB0 connected by SATA 6GBPS and 3 Optical IDE Drives (MTRP 56X CD-ROM ASUS QuieTrack 52X and a Lite-ON DVD+/-ROM/CD-RW). I have a US Robotics modem (Used very often for fax), a RealTek RTL8139 Ethernet adapter running at 100MBPS full duplex and a Linksys WUSB546v2 Wireless adapter running at 150MBPS on a bridged network connection over both of them. My GPU is a NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX 440 overclocked to 800MHZ and running 2 monitors a FujiPlus FP-1770 and a Dell E772P CRT. I just gave a complete list of my hardware because sometimes it is necessary to know everything about somebody's PC to know if it will work or not. I would like some help on this so I know if I can upgrade. I cant get a new MB as I recently spent some $ On a new PSU and a HDD in April. The 30GB [EDIT: 40GB] HDD was damaged by the crappy PSU that was in here before when I got this PC a a Friend for helping them set up a new laptop and WIFI router as they were going to get rid of it anyway. I did not like the Hercules 500W at first sight as the fans bogged down with more CPU and GPU load allowing the +12 to hit 10.96V, the +5 to hit 4.4V and the +3.3 to hit 3V (BAD, REALLY REALLY BAD!). They only used it for web browsing and LibreOffice so they probabally did not notice and instability. I could not afford another supply till that one died with a horrific arc blast blackening the wall around it for 3 feet and shooting fire everywhere. Luckily I put 12V, 5V and 3.3V MOVs on the output cables in case it would horribly die and all my components were fine minus the HDD and some MB capacitors which blew later and I unsoldered and replaced with really expensive polymer 10000UF ones from DigiKey. I could not buy a $150 tablet as planned and spent my saved money on a new PSU and HDD. So that is the complete history of my PC and what I have done with it since I got it. But, the question still remains, can I buy it and will it work?
 

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How did I think that the MB was LGA775 LOL. Sorry for not posting the right info I guess I was on the wrong page of the motherboard series PDF that I found mine in. Thanks once again, I will be getting a P4 3GHZ (which the linked site said worked with all versions) instead but it is $50. Oh well I guess I do have $150 now so I can get the much needed upgrade.

EDIT OMGOMGOMG I just found one for $1 used! I must get this in like new condition.
 

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Note to all. Switching cpu's on early 775 mainboards (yed i know it turned out op's wasnt 775) requires surefire confirmation of cpu support !! Some will cease
functioning permanently if unsupported chips are inserted, esp early pent dual cores. Tears at bedtime ..
 

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I guess you are very rich ;). It's not always about Speed and Technology for some of us. If it works, I don't see a reason not to use it. I think its rather by choice than Technology.
 

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We are tho in the situation where old single core tech just wont cut even day to day tasks anymore. You need compatibility for modern formats, and that requires a dual core unless you are very patient. Any dual will do, I couldnt go back to p4 speeds.
 

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Sorry, I dont want to buy a new MB or use a AMD for a few reasons:
1: I really dont want a new MB and cant really buy one for price reasons as I will be getting the same tablet I wanted before which is now only $100.
2: I spent a lot of time making customized BIOS firmware for this and dont want my work wasted. I also modified the board to supply standby power to the upper front USB port even if its off for charging stuff.
3: It works very fast anyways and boots in about 15-30 seconds and I get 60-120 FPS in most games on medium settings. I just want to squeeze the last bit of performance out that I can.
4: I added premium capacitors to the MB very recently $3 a piece for 16 of them with a 15 year/4000000 hour warranty on the caps themselves.
5: I like P4s in general because of many unlisted reasons plus they are very robust and automatically underclock if they get to hot.
6: I have no experience with AMD CPUs and have heard that they are very touchy when it comes to heat and voltage and burn out really easy (not sure if true please correct if necessary).
7: (Number 1 reason) The upgrade is $1 and would be a HUGE improvment plus according to the datasheet I was linked to before that CPU is perfectly compatable.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway, you did pick out a good MB+CPU combo and it does seem very high performance. I appreciate all suggestions. BTW how do you close a thread?
 

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That is exactly how I feel LOL.
I dont know why but I just trust P4s more than newer CPUs.
 

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I am running a dinosaur ( E6600, 3850, win 7 and limited to 2 gig of ram @667). I would like to know what games you play on a P4 @ 60 - 120 fps. Doom3? HL2? You might approach 60 fps in dx9 games from '03 ,
but there is no way that pc will run sensible frame rates in say bioshock or fallout 3,and even those games are now old. It doesnt have the cpu power or bus width. How on EARTH can you buy 16 caps for $3 EACH?
$15 inc post for the lot, .maybe. And ignoring all these AMD fans would be your best bet . A pent g 860, basic asus board and 2 gig of value 1333 ram would be £100. whatever that is in $'s. A P4 3 gig cpu scores 400 ish in cpu mark, and the g860 2600. . 5x the horsepower.
I love old gear but you are trying to smash a glacier with a gum boot.
Ireally admire your effort. Please tell us what you play at 120fps, and what monitor you have that displays at that speed so we can see why you bothered?
 

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nothing wrong with a pentium 4 with ht ... just not worth paying 50 dollors for as who ever selling that is ripping you off big time ... u cud probs buy a cheap pc tower for that that would be better then what u have now
 

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chriss000 said:
I am running a dinosaur ( E6600, 3850, win 7 and limited to 2 gig of ram @667). I would like to know what games you play on a P4 @ 60 - 120 fps. Doom3? HL2? You might approach 60 fps in dx9 games from '03 ,
but there is no way that pc will run sensible frame rates in say bioshock or fallout 3,and even those games are now old. It doesnt have the cpu power or bus width. How on EARTH can you buy 16 caps for $3 EACH?
$15 inc post for the lot, .maybe. And ignoring all these AMD fans would be your best bet . A pent g 860, basic asus board and 2 gig of value 1333 ram would be £100. whatever that is in $'s. A P4 3 gig cpu scores 400 ish in cpu mark, and the g860 2600. . 5x the horsepower.
I love old gear but you are trying to smash a glacier with a gum boot.
Ireally admire your effort. Please tell us what you play at 120fps, and what monitor you have that displays at that speed so we can see why you bothered?[/quotemsg]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant the OSD of the game itself says it is rendering at that speed in FPS. The screen only goes up to 75HZ. I usually play Cube 1, Nexuiz (2007 free edition), some 3D racing games that use DX9 or OpenGl through Shockwave Director or Unity plugins. I installed something called DirectX 10 for XP. It really works provided you install ALKY for Applications first which also lets you run software from vista on XP like windows sidebar (if you download the .MSI from Microsoft). Also I play MineTest (minetest.net/download) it is a very good (probably the best) Minecraft clone in existance and it gets ~60FPS but only 15 with full range viewing enabled. My graphics still beat my parents laptop though LOL.

I guess I should close this thread now but dont know how, can someone help me?
 

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You can get a cheap used pentium 4 ht for socket 478 for about 9 to 10 dollars(I got one for RS. 600 in an indian online store) and pair it up with GeForce gt 630 or 640 ( max. Coz p4 bottleneck a lot) and can get acceptable frame rates at low res. and med. settings in a lot of games. I can now successfully play moh 2010 at 1024x768 at highest settings, 25 to 30 fps(without fraps).

In my case, I just forgot to mention the exact name of the gfx card and my mom took my mobo for an upgrade and I ended up with the poorest GeForce 210...
 

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WOW I havent logged in for a while, but your post was a bit delayed, mine is worst timed than yours though LOL. I decided not to upgrade MY MB + CPU even though I was set on it after all when finding out I could BSEL mod the CPU pins so it ran @ 3.8GHZ (and quite hot too). I am saving up for a bigger upgrade someday. I wish I had the D865PERL because I could soft overclock it to 4.2GHZ. The Clockgen chip on the GBF is not variable and has only 4 frequencies, of which I forced the highest by hard wiring a short between BSEL0 BSEL1 and the +VCC rail. I am considering getting the P4 HT now, as it plus the BSEL mod would be unstoppable, and you have given me hope that their not all super expensive. I was able to replace the junk heatsink on my GPU and clock it even higher (normal 250MHZ old overclock 350MHZ now 420MHZ). I just cant get the P4 cheap enough, but you have given me hope I can find one. Thank you for the (slightly late) reply and the suggestion. The GPU now gets close to 69 FPS in the real Minecraft with far render (used to get 25-30) and I am quite happy with that. The CPU is slowing down the GPU a bit, because I noticed the super overclock didnt raise the FPS considerably until the BSEL mod. I added a random 512MB stick of ram I found for free and dont have to restart Minecraft as often either. I was building a 64BIT ALU and hoping to finish a 24BIT instruction set decoder with Redstone. I have built a 16 bit ALU with transistors in real life that had LEDs for output and switches for input. As for the mentios of fraps, I usually use a DVD player with DVD-RWs for screen capture wired to the VGA port through composite RCA. It works great, record, rip and erase the DVD. Considering the DVD player was free and broken and I fixed the PSU plus replaced tha laser... Anyways, thank you for taking the time to reply, I have decided I like my old hardware and will look for a P4 HT. Have a nice day.
-TheNH813

EDIT: Found one! For $19 on amazon, used good condition. 3.4GHZ at max clock with BSEL according to my calculations. Hmmm, cant let someone else get it first, two cores @ 400MHZ less is still much better.