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July 25, 2013 5:49:14 PM

Hello All,

I have been trying to build a new computer for myself (I have been pricing parts over the past 2 weeks at Microcenter and online) and because I am fairly new to building computers I have a friend who is helping me with the labor portion. I have "built" a computer on CyberPowerPC and I want to get feedback on the design. Currently with pricing from Microcenter and online, along with a few good deals, I am about $300 under budget, which is fantastic and unusual!!! However, I want this computer to last me a good 4-5 years, so I don't want to go cheap and I don't want to go crazy either.

I am looking for suggestions on what to UPGRADE, or even DOWNGRADE.

As I said I am very new to this and I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before buying all the stuff. I will be using this computer for 2 main purposes...Gaming and Work.

I play the typical games, Diablo III, Skyrim, DOTA 2, Bioshock Infinite, etc...
I am also a Chemical Engineer and I use a program called ChemCad, which is a lot like AutoCad, for work. This program causes my current 4 yr old PC to be very slow.

Here is the current build...

Case: Thermaltake Level 10GT Full Tower Wide Body Gaming Case w/ Side-Panel Window (White Color)

Internal USB Extension Module: None

Neon Light Upgrade: 12in Liquid Neon Thunder Pattern Light (Blue Color)

Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Maximum Enermax 120MM Case Cooling Fans for selected case (Maximum Silent Operation) (1,000 RPM Black Color with No LED Enlobal Magnetic Barometric Bearing 17 dBA)

Noise Reduction Technology: Sound Absorbing Foam on Side, Top And Bottom panels, and more(1)

CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-4670 3.40 GHz 6MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150

Performance Tuning Protection Plan by Intel: None

Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking

Cooling Fan: CyberPower Xtreme Hydro Liquid Cooling Kit 240MM w/ XSPC Rasa 750 RS240, Dual Fan(CPU & GPU Liquid Cool Capable, Extreme Overclocking Performance + Extreme Silent at 18dBA)(All Venom OC Certified)

Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: High-Performance Coolant powered by Koolance (Blue Color)

Motherboard: [CrossFireX] GIGABYTE Z87-HD3 Intel Z87 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ Ultra Durable 4 Plus, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, 2 PCIe x16 (1 Gen3, 1 Gen2), 2 PCIe x1 & 2 PCI (Pro OC Certified)

Intel Smart Response Technology: None

Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Vengeance)

Video Card 1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

Power Supply Upgrade: * 750 Watts - Corsair CMPSU-750TXV2 80 Plus Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready

Hard Drive: 250 GB SAMSUNG 840 Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 540MB/s Read & 250MB/s Write (Single Drive)

Data Hard Drive: 1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD (Single Drive)

Hard Drive Cooling Fan: Vigor iSURF II Hard Disk Drive Cooling System (1 x System)

External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): None

USB Flash Drive: None

Optical Drive: LG 12X Internal Blu-ray Drive & DVDRW, 3D Playback Combo Drive (BLUE COLOR)

Optical Drive 2: None

External Optical Drive: None

Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

Extra Thermal Display: Aerocool Touch 2000 Dual Bay Touch Screen Fan Control


Again I am looking for suggestions on what to UPGRADE, or even DOWNGRADE.

If you have any suggestions or experience with these items, please let me know your opinion. As I said I am willing to spend $300, maybe 400 more if it means I will be happy in the long run. I have been researching this for weeks, but thats nothing compared to the experience many of you have!!!


Thanks for any help!!!

Jim
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July 25, 2013 5:57:50 PM

Well, are you still willing to build your own with your friends help? That will get you the most bang for your buck as I'm sure you've realized.

If not, judging from your parts list this is what I'd try to upgrade.

Get the 4670k Cpu. You only list the 4670, don't know if that was an error, but you have a custom loop water cooler but no unlocked multiplier Cpu to overclock.

Upgrade to the 770 video card. More expensive, but the performance justifies the cost.

Other than that, you could get a 4770k Cpu for your ChemCad program, and jump up to 16gb's of Ram as well, but that might not be money best spent elsewhere. For gaming you wouldn't notice a difference.
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July 25, 2013 6:09:54 PM

Thats extremely expensive for what you are getting ..... here's a build I was about to do for a friend, but now he wants the Maximus Formula and Poseidon GFX 770 both of which haven't been dropped into the channel as yet ... this was $3466 for an GTX 670 SLI triple monitor system ... $2,936 with just one 3D monitor

Case - $315 - Level 10 GT Snow http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
GFX - included - Seagate 7200.14 3TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - $240 - Seasonic X-1250 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MoBo - $290 - ASUS Z87 WS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $340 - Intel Core i5-4770k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - $140 - (2 x 8GB) Muskin CAS 9 DDR3-1866 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler - $80 - Phanteks PH-TC14 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $7 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - $480 - MSI GTX 770 4GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $480 - MSI GTX 770 4GB Same
GFX - Later - Same

SSD - $250 - Samsung 840 Pro 256GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Writer - $54 - Asus Blue Ray Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor - $260 ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor - $260 ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor
Monitor - $260 ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor

It's $2,936 w/o the extra 2 monitors and he had the 1200 watt PSU as he planned another GFX card down the road. Can subtract another $100 if ya gnan stick with just 2 GFX cards
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July 25, 2013 6:22:25 PM

Swordkd said:
Well, are you still willing to build your own with your friends help? That will get you the most bang for your buck as I'm sure you've realized.

If not, judging from your parts list this is what I'd try to upgrade.

Get the 4670k Cpu. You only list the 4670, don't know if that was an error, but you have a custom loop water cooler but no unlocked multiplier Cpu to overclock.

Upgrade to the 770 video card. More expensive, but the performance justifies the cost.

Other than that, you could get a 4770k Cpu for your ChemCad program, and jump up to 16gb's of Ram as well, but that might not be money best spent elsewhere. For gaming you wouldn't notice a difference.


Yes, it seems silly to waste almost $450 on getting a third party to build the PC (I believe CyberPowerPC wanted $1800)...
I did not make a mistake on the CPU, but I also wasn't planing on Overclocking, unless this is something pretty straight forward for me to do? I know overclocking can be very beneficial, I just have no experience with it. Is liquid cooling pointless without overclocking? I guess this might be what I over looked.

The video card is a good suggestion, I wasn't sure where to go with it.

Lastly, from what I understand 16gb of RAM seems very pointless for gaming which you point out. I decided on 2x4gb this way if I need to get 2x4 more later this would not be an issue as there are enough places.

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July 25, 2013 7:11:26 PM
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You've listed Microcenter earlier as a source for parts, so I've included it for this build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($192.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme II 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($225.06 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.81 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.02 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1539.60
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-25 22:02 EDT-0400)

Only went with a 4670k, but I believe you could also get the 4770k and be under the original price for the CyberPowerPC. I used the Asus z87-Pro because its really solid, has good overclocking options and has built in Wi-Fi. Great non-water cooled cooling option in the Noctua NH-U14s(if only they sold it with their upcoming black fans!). Great price for one of the nVidia 770 boards I'd be recommending anyways. You have a great(sorry, no other way to describe these things) Psu from Xfx(Seasonic OEM brand, btw), 850w, modular, gold certified; 'nuff said. The Ram is from g.skill, which is my preferred brand, 1866mhz for not a lot of money over the 1600mhz. The case is more of a personal preference, but this one is my go-to for this budget. Good air flow, great cable routing. The Sandisk Extreme II is a good SSD, and doesn't have the achille's heal that many SSD's suffer from. Needing to keep 20% storage free for performance reasons. So you actually get the full 240gb's to use, instead of 206gb's for a comparable 256gb Samsung 840pro. Although the 840 Pro is slightly faster. Standard 1tb storage drive.

With the exception of probably needing to upgrade video cards after about 3 years, this Pc should last you quite a while.
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July 25, 2013 10:21:33 PM

Get this built

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($225.49 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($192.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.81 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($110.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1497.18
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-26 01:20 EDT-0400)
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