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RPG/RTS Gaming. 120/144hz or IPS monitor (24")?

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July 26, 2013 10:24:49 PM

Hello, looking for someone to make up my mind for me since I've been doing research now for nearly a week and have gotten nowhere...

At first I was sold on getting a monitor with a fast refresh rate, most likely the ASUS VG248QE. However, I then realized I won't be playing any online FPS and started to reconsider.

I am a heavy gamer but mostly RPG's and a few strategy games. I will play some FPS campaigns but not too worried about refresh rate for those. I will also be using this monitor a lot for internet browsing as well as word processing which is why I have now started to lean towards an IPS panel.

Yes I can push above 60FPS in most games, here is my build if it helps:

4670k 3.4ghz
gtx 760
gigabyte ud3h
corsair pro 8gb 1866
i have a cpu cooler installed so can overclock too but havent yet

so basically my question is.... does the higher refresh rate (mostly for RPG/RTS games) outweigh the colour/clarity of an IPS monitor both during playing these games, and for other computer tasks?

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July 26, 2013 10:28:23 PM

j0lly said:
Hello, looking for someone to make up my mind for me since I've been doing research now for nearly a week and have gotten nowhere...

At first I was sold on getting a monitor with a fast response time, most likely the ASUS VG248QE. However, I then realized I won't be playing any online FPS and started to reconsider.

I am a heavy gamer but mostly RPG's and a few strategy games. I will play some FPS campaigns but not too worried about response time for those. I will also be using this monitor a lot for internet browsing as well as word processing which is why I have now started to lean towards an IPS panel.

Yes I can push above 60FPS in most games, here is my build if it helps:

4670k 3.4ghz
gtx 760
gigabyte ud3h
corsair pro 8gb 1866
i have a cpu cooler installed so can overclock too but havent yet

so basically my question is.... does the higher response time (mostly for RPG/RTS games) outweigh the colour/clarity of an IPS monitor both during playing these games, and for other computer tasks?

thanks!


go for IPS ... some IPS monitors have dedicated chip for gaming. so choose wise or just tell me your budget I will point at one for you.
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July 26, 2013 10:32:58 PM

budget around $300.. cheers!
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July 26, 2013 10:39:48 PM

You can go for a 60hz monitor. If you are satisfied with only 60fps, which most people are, then just go for a 60hz monitor. You will need the 120hz for 3D gaming. And if you don't play FPS much, just go for the IPS. The response time won't be much of an issue, unless you'll switch to fps.
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July 26, 2013 10:47:32 PM

so on a 60hz monitor any fps above 60 is useless? i just dont see why so many people say a fast refresh rate is irrelevant for rpg/rts since id still like to see my character/troops move smoother than 60fps if my setup can allow it

**refresh rate, not response time
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July 26, 2013 10:56:26 PM

I think you are confused. :)  It's not irrelevant at all. But even for a 12ms monitor, you will still see your troops move smoothly. The response time and refresh rate are different. Response time is when you click your troops to move from one place to another, I doubt you'll notice a 12ms difference. Refresh rate: 60hz, is going to be the max FPS you'll have. So for example you play sc2 and put all settings to low and res to x800 only, the fps would go beyond 60 for sure. But if your monitor is only a 60hz, the max FPS you'll get is only 60fps. If you go beyond that, you'll get screen tearing. And I STRONGLY believe, for RTS, 60fps is very very very! smooth.

Oops saw your edit late. haha
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July 26, 2013 11:01:36 PM

j0lly said:
budget around $300.. cheers!


ok since I go for the best I will recommend this for you first ..

this is the best IPS monitor for gaming worldwide , was designed by A Japanese company called Eizo one of the best but not known much in USA .

their Monitors are top , nothing can beat Eizo ,

this is the monitor

Eizo Foris FORIS FS2333

read about it here

http://www.eizo.com/global/products/foris/fs2333/index....

and here is a review about it , from a very good German Monitor testers :

http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-eizo-for...

in short , ++ = Very Good , + = good , +/- = Satisfactory , - = bad , and -- = very bad

and as you see in the test , it gets all positives .. no monitor gets that in all categories EVER. ( Edit : try google translate)

"hardcore gamer = ++ Very GOOD"

it is a 3.4 ms IPS Monitor !!!

since your budget is around $300 then go for the best.

here where you can buy it in USA

you will NEVER find a better monitor , get it , you will never regret it even if little expensive

http://www.provantage.com/eizo-fs2333-bk~7EIZL09Q.htm

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July 26, 2013 11:12:32 PM

adimeister, okay will it helps knowing that 60fps is still good for those types of games. i guess i just dont want the extra frames that my computer is pumping out to just go to waste :p 

sna3, actually i live in Canada... i have heard good things about EIZO though and will certainly see if I can find one for a reasonable price here
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July 26, 2013 11:16:07 PM

Yea sure, I would also feel the same way. I want to utilize my GPU's power to the fullest and enjoy every framerate. But I just can't buy an expensive monitor for that, some of us just don't have the money and we need to compromise and buy what we only need. hahaha
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July 26, 2013 11:32:58 PM

yeah well the EIZO costs $455 up here in canada which is a little pricy for me... if I was in the US id probably fork over the $375 that site has it up for..

arghh im still quite undecided but leaning towards the 144hz asus again for $270 :/ 
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July 26, 2013 11:41:48 PM

Then why not go for it? :)  I also have an ASUS monitor, very happy with it. Mine is a VS239h. 5ms , 60hz, very good color and viewing angle.
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July 26, 2013 11:53:38 PM

j0lly said:
yeah well the EIZO costs $455 up here in canada which is a little pricy for me... if I was in the US id probably fork over the $375 that site has it up for..

arghh im still quite undecided but leaning towards the 144hz asus again for $270 :/ 


I think I saw it last week in Canada for $399 .. cant remember the site... look further

I am looking into other monitors
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July 27, 2013 12:33:39 AM

after looking around i am trying to decide between these 5 ips monitors.. need to do a little more research tomorrow, but this is how id rank them right now ($110 sale on the dell helps put it at #1 haha). oh and btw, im spending so much time picking a monitor because I am waiting to get my computer :) 

- dell u2312hm $190
- asus mx239h $230
- asus vs239h $177
- asus pa248q $295
- lg 24ea53v $181
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July 27, 2013 3:26:05 AM

If you can get the dell at that price, take it. I've seen it side by side my monitor, the vs239h, it's better. haha But the price diff was supposed to be very far, but for only $13, go with it. The U series has received so much praises from gamers and video editors, which mean you get the best of both worlds: Fast response time and great color.
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July 27, 2013 8:49:44 AM

j0lly said:
after looking around i am trying to decide between these 5 ips monitors.. need to do a little more research tomorrow, but this is how id rank them right now ($110 sale on the dell helps put it at #1 haha). oh and btw, im spending so much time picking a monitor because I am waiting to get my computer :) 

- dell u2312hm $190
- asus mx239h $230
- asus vs239h $177
- asus pa248q $295
- lg 24ea53v $181


try ASUS PB248Q (released in 2013) it is the one to pick , PA248Q (released in 2012) is not as good. they are both at the same price ... the newer is better by a mile

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July 27, 2013 10:47:13 AM

that monitor isnt available in canada.
last question.... most of the monitors i listed above except for the pa248q are 6-bit ips correct? should I be looking for an 8-bit ips if my budget in $100 higher than those anyways?
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July 27, 2013 2:49:03 PM

j0lly said:
that monitor isnt available in canada.
last question.... most of the monitors i listed above except for the pa248q are 6-bit ips correct? should I be looking for an 8-bit ips if my budget in $100 higher than those anyways?


it is a new 2013 monitor , it is coming ...

it is the NEW version of the old PA , the PB ... and is way better ...

cant you just get the eizo frm USA and get it shipped to you ? it has 5 years warranty and very solid option .

actually there are 10 bits and 14 bits ...

the 6 bit is the lowest so yes better not to get 6 bit monitors

8 bits will give you 16 million colors , 10 bits 1 billion

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10-Bit Simultaneous Display

Using the DisplayPort input, the monitor offers 10-bit simultaneous color display* from a 16-bit look-up table which means it can show more than one billion colors simultaneously. This is 64 times as many colors as you get with 8-bit display which results in even smoother color gradations and reduced Delta-E between two adjacent colors.


.. if you can wait a little like a month , the new monitors will be coming to USA and Canada ...

there is a very good LG in europe and Korea as well ..

I dont know why the market in USA/Canada is the Last to receive them ... maybe FCC testings ..
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July 27, 2013 3:11:34 PM

i could get the eizo shipped from USA but with the extra shipping it ends up costs nearly exactly the same as buying it here ($455). is it really worth $200 extra..??

i may just have to flip a coin between the dell ultrasharp ips or asus 144hz.... i just wish i could see the 144hz in person somewhere but no stores have it
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July 27, 2013 3:19:00 PM

j0lly said:
i could get the eizo shipped from USA but with the extra shipping it ends up costs nearly exactly the same as buying it here ($455). is it really worth $200 extra..??

i may just have to flip a coin between the dell ultrasharp ips or asus 144hz.... i just wish i could see the 144hz in person somewhere but no stores have it


are you in a hurry ? cant you wait 1 month ? there are really REALLY good monitors coming to USA ...

The Eizo at 455$ ? well I dunno , but it is the best monitor in that category and size .. a 3.4 ms ips monitor with great color reproduction.

and I dont know about Canada and Canada prices .. oh one more thing , is that 455$ including TAXES ? you will still need to pay taxes over online prices in USA ... so it is not 375$ actually , this is before taxes.

Edit : I am looking a better monitors at 2560x1440 resolution prices .. give me a minute, some times DELL offers great deals on them
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July 27, 2013 3:46:23 PM

well if it was exactly 1 month then yes I could wait (I am borrowing a monitor at the moment, but need a new monitor by september 1st since I am moving out) however how can you be so certain they will be out in august?

yeah i have considered all that, prices are equal both in canada and us before taxes.

eizo would be $455 + 12% tax
asus 144hz $280 + tax
dell ultrasharp 23" $190 + tax, 24" $270 + tax
shipping is free for all 3 of those
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July 27, 2013 3:54:18 PM

arent all 2560x1440 res monitors 27 inches?
is the pb238q the same series as the pb248q? because i see its been discontinued already at newegg which doesnt make much sense
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July 27, 2013 5:49:20 PM

j0lly said:
arent all 2560x1440 res monitors 27 inches?
is the pb238q the same series as the pb248q? because i see its been discontinued already at newegg which doesnt make much sense


yes they are 27 inch .. and some times Dell gives out offers selling them at crazy discounts (selling them around 450$) but looking now I can't find any offers.

This dell is a very Good Monitor : http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c...
they have an offer for $550 but not one of theose crazy special offer :p 
it is a step up to 2560x1440 a totally different category ... so I dont think the Eizo at 450$ is worth it when this is around.

but one thing to be sure of , if you want this only for gaming, you will never find IPS with 3.4ms anywhere ... I wish you could find it for 370$


about waiting one month , well I am not sure but there are many good monitors coming not only Asus ...
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July 27, 2013 6:21:30 PM

hmm well i am going to wait around mid august but then I will have to make a purchase.
the 23" and 24" ultrasharps are at a pretty crazy discount right now... like 40% off. aside from the smaller resolution, are they not just as good as the 27"?
and so is the asus pb238q better than the pa248q?
thanks again for your help
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July 27, 2013 6:40:05 PM

j0lly said:
hmm well i am going to wait around mid august but then I will have to make a purchase.
the 23" and 24" ultrasharps are at a pretty crazy discount right now... like 40% off. aside from the smaller resolution, are they not just as good as the 27"?
and so is the asus pb238q better than the pa248q?
thanks again for your help


you are welcomed,

in LCD , model numbers means nothing, each Monitor will have a completely different panel. so you est them all even if the same Line ... even if they have the same panel , added chips can make a huge difference as well.

Generally talking , dont take less than 8bit , 10 are the best for colors , and 14 are around from NEC but too much.

I dont know about the pb238q cant find any reviews nor tests about it , its a new one , so I cant tell. you cant generalize and say PB is better than PA ... each should be tested alone.

there is a cheap monitor coming from LG looks promising , this one

LG Electronics Flatron 24EB23PY-W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSamltrx7Xk

its around $250 only

as for DELL ULTRA sharp monitors they are generally all good , you will not regret getting a DELL Ultra sharp.

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July 28, 2013 1:32:26 PM

okay i think i will get the 24" dell and have the 1920x1200 resolution at least :) 
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July 28, 2013 1:40:53 PM

You'll be happy with the dell. ;) 
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July 28, 2013 4:44:36 PM

thanks adi for your help as well :) 
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December 8, 2013 2:14:14 AM

the only thing that a 144hz/120hz low response time will bring you for RTS is pleasure cause you dont really need it compared to FPS where you need to react really fast per exemple if a guys cross a wall or whatever the situation is.

but in the other hand ive buyed the Asus 248QE and its probably the best money ive spend in my life and i play both Counter-Strike(FPS) and Starcraft2(RTS) the ''smoothness'' that this screen bring you is awesome and btw dont watch video to actually see the effect cause you wont see unless you see it InRealLife
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