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July 29, 2013 11:37:27 AM

Please feedback on the following build. I'm looking to order in the next few days.

Please check details like power supply, slots, etc.

I run Adobe Lightroom 5, Adobe Production Premium CS6 (Photoshop, Premier) and am looking for a very fast system for these activities.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: this week

Budget Range: 2400-3200 After Rebates; After Shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Photo and video editing

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: entirely new build

Do you need to buy OS: Yes. Windows 8 Pro upgrade

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg and microcenter

Location: Bethesda, Maryland

Parts Preferences: by brand or type : Intel CPU, AMD Graphics, Seagate HDDs

Overclocking: No, unless you think that will be better

SLI or Crossfire: No, don't think required for Photo/Video

Your Monitor Resolution: currently 1920x1080, plan to buy 4k monitor in 1 year

Additional Comments: Quiet PC would be nice

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I buy a new computer every 4 years. It's been 4.5 now.

Case Elysium-Window Black Full Tower ATX Computer Case
http://www.microcenter.com/product/364204/Elysium-Windo...

Mobo MSI Z87 MPOWER Max LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Extreme OC Flagship High Performance Triple CFX/ SLI Platform Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Core i7 4770 3.4GHz Boxed Processor
http://www.microcenter.com/product/413249/Core_i7_4770_...

RAM Crucial Ballistix Sport 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS4KIT8G3D1609DS1S00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler ARCTIC COOLING Alpine 7 GT (UC-AR7GT-AC-01) 80mm CPU Cooler for Intel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD 2 x Barracuda EP 3TB 7,200RPM SATA 6.0Gbps 3.5" Internal Hard Drive STBD3000100
http://www.microcenter.com/product/373127/Barracuda_EP_...

Card Reader Koutech IO-FPM530 Multi-in-1 USB 3.0 Multifunction SuperSpeed Front Panel Card Reader with eSATA / HD Audio Ports (5.25")
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BDR 14x Internal Blu-ray Burner WH14NS40 - Bare Drive
http://www.microcenter.com/product/398053/14x_Internal_...

SDD OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 series RVD3X2-FHPX4-240G PCI-E 240GB PCI-Express 2.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card DIAMOND 7970PE53GV2 Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sound Card ASUS Xonar D1 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Already owned:
2x3TB Seagate Barracuda
3x1TB Seagate Barracuda
1x Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC064MAG-1G1 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
July 29, 2013 11:57:38 AM

Before I start configuring a build, I'd like to mention that for Adobe CS6 you're going to want an Nvidia card to take advantage of OpenGL and CUDA technology, which massively speeds up workflows.

It's only in Adobe *CC* that you can use AMD cards for sped-up workflows.

You have a great budget. This is going to be fun to choose :) 
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July 29, 2013 12:10:08 PM

id pick up something like this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1m0ag

if you can wait, ivy bridge e looks promising but otherwise, haswell is the way to go. sandy bridge e isnt really a good choice given the 400 dollar price hike for 3-5 seconds of speed improvment. not worth it if you ask me
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July 29, 2013 12:16:43 PM

I read the same thing, but then I heard that was before OpenGL was utilized. So with CS6, AMD is just as good.
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July 29, 2013 12:23:46 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1m0vC

Like TheBigTroll said, if you can wait, then wait for the i7-4930K. But if you can't wait and you have the budget, I don't see a reason to dig in to the i7-4770K for another 4.5 years.

Boot + app drive is the 256GB, data drive is Seagate enterprise-class 2TB drive, and the 128GB SSD is for your media cache files (64 for Premiere, 64 for Photoshop). Fractal Design is known for its silent designs, as is Noctua, so there you go on that. Platinum PSU for energy efficiency on the power-hungry LGA 2011 platform, and a GTX 780 for GK110 on-the-cheap. If you want, you can swap that out for a Quadro K2000, which would place you further under your budget.

EDIT: Care to point me to where you heard that AMD cards are supported in CS6? Everything I have found for a long time says otherwise, and a lot of people are getting CC instead solely because it supports AMD cards.
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July 29, 2013 12:36:40 PM

Will the 4930 work in the mobo I've picked? If so, I can just upgrade later.

Any comments on the superfast OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 series that will hold OS and Adobe?

Should I get the K CPU? Sure, I can overclock, but is that necessary with this application? Furthermore, the K has less optimization features.
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July 29, 2013 12:46:10 PM

Ahhh, okay I get it now. An AMD card will work, but only for *Photoshop*. Premiere Pro CS6 does not support AMD cards.
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July 29, 2013 12:47:06 PM

the 4930k will work fine, just that i dont recommend the rampage board

revodrives are a waste of time. they dont help you that much

k series chips are meant to be overclocked. the optimization features found on non k chips are to save power. the k series dont need that. and all lga 2011 chips are pretty much k chips
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July 29, 2013 12:58:36 PM

The 4930K will NOT work in a Z87 board.

How much an overclock will help you depends on how much you overclock. If you take a 4770K to 4.0 or 4.2GHz, I'd say no, it's not worth it. Skip it for the 4770, and now that you have a non-overclocking chip you can save even more money by getting an H87 board, using the stock Intel CPU cooler, and taking out radiator fans as well as overall electricity bill savings.

If you're taking it to 4.5GHz, I'd say it's worth it. But in either case, if you need a system *right now* then I would still get the 3930K. You're keeping this system for 4 whole years, so I see no reason to dig into the 4770 if your budget can afford a 3930K.

One thing to note is that you can't apply 4770-reasoning to the 3930K. It doesn't come with a stock Intel cooler, so you'll need to get an aftermarket one. And again, if your budget allows it, then I'd get a good one that can take an average 3930K to 4.5GHz (not directly comparable to a 4770K @ 4.5GHz).
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July 29, 2013 1:10:39 PM

I'm having trouble determining the differences between 4930 and 4770. Sounds like 3930 is the 3rd gen, and I'd like the 4th gen. Will the extreme models (4930) really be that much better for my non-gaming system than the 4770? Is overclocking really worth the cost and the cooling?

How about this for the video card:
GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD GeForce GTX 760 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready WINDFORCE 3X Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 29, 2013 1:19:12 PM

Intel Extreme and Intel mainstream generation numbers are not directly comparable. A 3930K is a stronger piece of kit than a 4770K, but not the 4930K. They are separate Intel derivatives, much like Nvidia's GTX and GT lines. A GT 600 series is far less powerful than even a GTX 200 series.

Whether or not you want to overclock depends on what your workflow time is worth. If you're on crunch-time all the time, then overclocking is just one thing you can do to speed up your workflow.

The GTX 760 is a nice card for gaming. It can be used for Premiere, but other than price, I see no reason not to get at least the 770 (of which the MSI Lightning is a top performer) if you're cost-wary or a 780 if you want the best within your budget.

On that note, it seems from what you've said that what you're willing to spend is somewhere in the $2000 range, not in the $2400-$3200 range.
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July 29, 2013 3:17:36 PM

the 3930k is a second gen part. the 4930k is a third gen part. the 4770k is a fourth gen part

the difference between the 6 core 3930k and the 4770k 4 core is around 3-5 seconds. not worth it by any means. if you want to invest in 2011, wait for the 4930k
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July 29, 2013 5:34:15 PM

The real-world difference between the processors depends highly on skipiggy's source material. Is he editing 720p 24 fps or 4K Red RAW or something in between? Is he going to be adding layer after layer to his images? Is he going to composite six video frames in a single output, each with its own set of compositions and color grading? Is his output going to be a 2 minute clip or a 10 minute video? Source material and the type of work matters.
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July 29, 2013 5:39:35 PM

not really. both usage scenarios will require the power of individual threads and the number of threads
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July 29, 2013 9:22:47 PM

Maybe I missed a part or found bad prices, but the current cost of the system is 2650. I picked graphics cards based on the highest model number that was capable for 4k, at least according to newegg. Maybe their specs are wrong.

My choice on CPU was more focused on generation and haswell, which is the advice I got from this forum about 8mo ago when I suggested at 3930 and it was recommended that I wait for haswell. So here we are. In which case, I could get the 3930 and then upgrade to 4930 when the time makes sense.

My work in Lightroom is mostly cataloging and simple editing. Speed of the storage system is key here. My work in Photoshop is layers, touch ups, and noise reduction, but the intensive part is photomerge, either for HDR or panorama. Some of the panoramas are in the 80 photos x 36 MP (I work with a D800). Video editing is simpler, mostly warp stabilizer, exposure compensation and other RAW-type adjustments including colour grading, some editing is also done, but layers and multi source are rare. Source is mostly 1080p24 with some occasional 1080p60. I expect to do 4k video in the next 1-2 years, and I really want the 4k monitor for photo editing. Output is mostly 2m clips, but also 10m video.
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July 30, 2013 4:09:24 AM

that would be stupid. you spend 600 dollars now and spend another 600 on a new CPU within a months time?

you are more than fine with haswell
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July 30, 2013 4:34:26 AM

No you are not. Not in video editing work anyway.
The difference in video editing was 3930k vs 3770k about 5min for whole rendering time.
And 4770 is not working so much better that is makes that time drop to 5s
You really do need the 3930k or 4930k to video editing. 4770k is not good for that.
It is just too slow. Not enough cores or treads. And if moderator says things like that I think it his personal opinion.
Not what Id call a good suggestion.
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July 30, 2013 6:02:54 AM

He edits photo panoramas with 80+ raw images, all with layers and at 36 MP... He wants to render 4K footage in the next 1-2 years, which is in-between his 4-5 year PC refresh cycle. He says speed of output is a must and he also edits raw format 1080p24 footage NOW. He's going to have this system for FOUR YEARS. 5 minutes several times a day for 4 years adds up, especially when the nature of his work is apparently so storage-critical (which means he processes a lot of material, ie lots of work to be done).

Don't pigeon-hole yourself into a 4770K when the 3930K is already there. It's in your budget. People suggested you wait for Haswell (ie, 4770K) because we didn't know how exactly it would perform. Now we know. FOUR YEARS is not a time period where you try to save every penny. Four years is where you realize your PC will be outdated by the time you get your next upgrade, and you want it to have the best fighting chance possible.
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July 30, 2013 6:16:25 AM

if you want your performance to last, then it would make sense to wait for the 4930k. the difference between the 3930k and the 4770k isnt close to being worth the extra 400 dollars you throw into the platform
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July 30, 2013 6:33:08 AM

4770k works fine if you render 200Mb video file or small photo files. But if work is bigger then only way do it is 3930k or new 4930k
Sure 3930k / 4930K expensive but it is only thing that works.
Gaming rigs are total difrent story.
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July 30, 2013 6:35:58 AM

they are just as effective for any type of work. the only valid reason of getting a 3930k now is if you do at least 6 hrs of rendering per day.

otherwise haswell is the way to go if you arent going to wait for the 4930k
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July 30, 2013 10:26:08 AM

There's also the max 64GB quad channel RAM vs. max 32GB dual channel RAM factor to consider. If he ever expands into After Effects, RAM previews are going to eat his memory capacity to bits. And with the volume of work he has, a RAMdisk scratch disk would certainly be helpful as well.
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July 30, 2013 10:34:49 AM

i have yet to encounter someone using all 64gb for rendering. for a scratch disk, probably, but otherwise there isnt much reason to have 64gb of ram
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July 30, 2013 11:01:20 AM

I have checked the NVIDIA websites and they show that the 780 can to 4k, so I'll pony up for that. How does this look: EVGA ACX Cooler 03G-P4-2784-KR GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The mobo I planned had access to 64Gb, but I couldn't find 16Gb sticks. The plan was to upgrade in the future. I agree that it will not be used for rendering, but I was planning a RAM disk / scratch disk setup.

According to http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i7/Intel-Core%20i7-4... the 4930K is coming out in the first week of Sept. The reason that I wanted to purchase the system now is that I am heading back to the US for a bit and I wanted to pick up the parts there so that I didn't have to worry about language issues or compatibility issues since I now live in Europe. What I think I will do is purchase most of the parts on the upcoming August trip and then order the mobo and 4930K in Sept from a UK company. I think computer parts are standard and there should be no issue with mixing entirely US sources materials with UK sourced mobo and processor.

Question> Will X89 mobo's be out at that time, or am I totally misunderstanding the upgrade path and what goes with what?

As well, the case is out of stock. Any suggestions for a full tower that holds a lot of drives, preferably some hot swap?
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July 30, 2013 11:05:23 AM

the one i picked is the one i recommend

there will be no x89 board. there could be a x99 chipset board for haswell e, but that isnt coming out until at least 2015
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July 30, 2013 11:47:52 AM

The 4930K will use the same LGA 2011 socket present in X79 boards.

As for a case, the http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-blackhawkult... is a very nice one, though a little on the expensive side. Extremely spacious and great air flow potential with the number, size, and placement of its fan mounts. 10 internal 3.5" bays, which should get you a pretty good disk setup. Supports SSI-CEB motherboards, so if you ever get a workstation grade board, it'll accept it.
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July 30, 2013 12:51:27 PM

-get a better cooler. no names are always a bad choice
-no. way too much memory. start off with 32gb, then go 64. memory prices will burn you
-no. revodrives are not going to be in any way useful
-if you are thinking of raid 1, forget it as it wont be very safe. raid 0 wont increase real world performance anyways so there isnt much point of going that route either. if you want mass storage, id start off with a single 3tb, then make your way up from there. hard drive prices dont go up, and only down
-you dont need a sound card unless you go 300 dollar headphones
-get a fractal arc midi r2. its better built than that junk
-the xfx 850w is a better unit for around the same price
-dont bother with blu-ray unless you are for sure going to watch it
-id go with windows 7. metro is total bs
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July 30, 2013 1:28:43 PM

Yeah, I'd get a better cooler. I'm not sure if you can fit Vengeance RAM under a Noctua NH-D14, so my standard suggestion is a Noctua NH-U14s if you want air cooling or a Corsair H80i/H100i or Swiftech H220 if you want all-in-one water cooling. For air cooling you could also choose different RAM that has a lower profile. Anything under 44mm will fit under a Noctua NH-D14, which I highly recommend for air cooling if you want to go that route.

The memory is pretty over kill to start off with. You don't want to limit your board's potential, so I would say go with at least 8GB sticks, which puts you at 32GB since you need 4 sticks. That's a very strong starting point, and if you need more you can always purchase the *same* set once more for another 4 sticks.

Revodrives are bad :D 

For raw storage capacity I agree with your choice, though I suggest getting the bare drive version. There's not much reason to get the retail kit. For $20 you get a box, SATA data cables, and mounting screws. The motherboard comes with SATA data cables and your case will have mounting screws. So you're paying $20 for a box.

If you want to have a RAID array for backing up your source files, I would look at an external RAID enclosure that supports RAID 5 with an eSATA interface.

The Xonar DX is a very nice sound card for the money, but unless you've got a real need for it in your workstation I wouldn't get it. I mean, having a sound card does reduce the load on the CPU a tiny, tiny bit, but it's not nearly enough. But if you're looking for work AND play, then it's very nice, and you need maybe $150 headphones :p 

Fractal cases are very nice. Extremely well built (the Define R4 is bullet-proof if I remember right...). The only hitch is SSI-CEB support on the Arc Midi R2. Let's be honest, you'll likely never buy another PC case. It's a hunk of metal, so what could possibly go wrong with it? You'll keep using the one you've got and you'll just swap parts in and out as you upgrade. Seeing as this is a workstation build centered around extreme CPUs, I would personally find a case that supports XLATX, EATX, and SSI-CEB to be sure that you can fit whatever future motherboards you want. Unless you're building multiple rigs or want to get a new case with every build (I don't know why that would be...) then there's no reason to limit your expansion.

Yeah don't get blu-ray unless you want to read or write more than occasionally.

+1 Windows 7. Just make sure you get Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate. Home Premium only recognizes 16GB of RAM. Professional and Ultimate support some ungodly amount that I've forgotten, but definitely over 64GB.
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July 30, 2013 9:25:24 PM

Updated based on feedback. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl

I want to keep the Revodrive for the following reasons : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ocz-revodrive-x2-pc.... It's superfast and will load the big applications and my massive lightroom catalog with ease.

I run a RAID 1 setup with my current 2x3TB drives. I have nearly 2 Tb of photo/video and growing about a TB a year, so hence purchasing the next set of 3 TB now. All the other 1TB hold large volumes of music.

I like RAID 5, but external solution is a no go. I have yet to see anything priced anywhere near reasonable that moves more than 10MB/s and this is horribly unacceptable for loading 50MB photos.

I back up all of my photos on Blu-ray in a fireproof safe, hence the Blu-ray burner. Again, a must. I burn a Blu-ray on average twice a month
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July 31, 2013 4:27:57 AM

you know that modern SSDs can easily achieve the same IOPs rate right? and even if they cant, you will not be able to tell the difference between them. also note that the revodrive will not accept trim commands from windows nor can you boot off it.

get this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1mD6h

-if you must go x79, wait for the 4930k. otherwise there is no reason not to go with haswell
-better CPU cooler for the same price
-better board for much cheaper
-cheaper ram that performs the same
-dont even bother with a revodrive. there is a reason that OCZ discontinued them
-raid 1 isnt safe. if one drive corrupts a file, the same corrupted file is going to be transferred to the good drive, completely defeating the point of raid 1. until you run a raid 5 or 6 with a good 300 dollar LSI raid card, you are not going to get safe data
-no reason to get the xl case. the atx fits it fine
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July 31, 2013 10:32:35 AM

NAS is to slow. I have yet to figure out how to get above 10mb/s with any NAS setup. If you can show me how to get 30-70, then I'll think about it.

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July 31, 2013 10:46:32 AM

i dont know where you are getting those numbers but most nas storage systems no matter how cheap start off at 50mb for the prebuilt units and around 100mb for the properly built ones using a proper raid card and everything

you are limited by the ethernet port more often than you are limited by the subsystem that arranges the raid 5
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July 31, 2013 11:18:22 AM

I was kind of wondering how much faster is usb3 with nas?
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July 31, 2013 1:06:21 PM

I have a DLINK DNS-321, with gigabit connection and router. Max is 15MB/s and average is 7. After the fact, I searched online and all feedback was that it was the same. I then started looking for other systems and anything other than the 1000$+ setups were about the same speed. I now have a single drive enclosure with USB 3.0 that can sometimes get 70MB/s on short transfers, but then settles out around 35 mb/s for long ones. I also have the 2x3TB RAID 1 setup on a RAID PCI controller and that gets about 150MB/s at the start and then settles in at 50MB/s. All the looking online I've done has just said that Win 7 is slow at file transfers. This is all frustrating when dealing with 50MB photo files.

The reason I like RAID 1 is that I can take either drive and drop it into any computer anywhere. All other RAID systems require all the drives to create something readable. At the end of the day, I just want a good backup of my files that is quickly readable on any system, anywhere. What I would love is a multi drive setup where I can remove one drive weekly, store it off-site and then bring it back, hot-swap out another drive and then have everything rebuild. From what I can tell, that is a dream, but I'm obviously no expert. I am open to all suggestions

The following thread shows people booting on the revodrive : http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?.... The following benchmarking shows the revo drive many times faster than the Sandisk http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/736?vs=397, and twice as fast as the best rated SSD, the Samsung 430.

I have 2x3TB, 4x1TB, and will be purchasing another 2x3TB, plus at least one SSD. This is why I need the full tower. That's also why I pick the ASUS mobo, since it has more 6GB/s SATA connections. I suppose I could get the Gigabyte and then buy a PCI card or two.

All other suggestions taken.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl
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July 31, 2013 1:18:16 PM

raid 1 doesnt work as if you can just pop a drive into a system.

yeah, your benchmarks show that the revo drive is a lot faster and in theoretical terms, it is. in real life however, you wont even notice the difference. benchmarks do not test for real world performance, rather, for theoretical performace. there is a good reason that no one builds systems no matter how high end with a pci-e SSD

same corrections

-you shouldnt be running more than 3 drives in a system anyways. you should have 1 SSD boot drive, a port for the dvd drive, and maybe 2 hard drives. if you are to run more drives, thats where a properly built NAS solution comes in or a external hard drive that runs off of usb 3
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August 1, 2013 11:25:36 AM

Pretty much final setup: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl

I've taken your advice on the SSD. Mostly to save money and get more capacity on it, and then add RAID 10. I couldn't find any information on "too many drives" in the tower, so I'm going to load it up.

Drive configuration
OS
C: 1 x 512Gb SSD
K: 1 x 1TB HHD backup for C (already owned, shared with M: / iTunes backup)

Photos/Video/Documents
R: 4 x 3TB RAID 10 for 6Gb storage at 4x theoretical read speed and 2xtheoretical write speed, with some redundancy
S, T: 2x3TB back up for R (already owned)
RAID Controller to control since the mobo doesn't seem to do RAID 10 at 6Gb/s

Music
M: 1 x 1TB HDD (already owned) for iTunes
K: 1 x TB HDD backup for M (already owned, shared with C: / OS backup)
N: 1 x 1TB HDD (already owned) for CD collection in FLAC form

Scratch disc
V: 16Gb RAM disc for CS6 scratch disc

Hackintosh
O: 1 x 64Gb SSD for OSX Mountain Lion http://www.nextofwindows.com/hackintosh-basic-troublesh...

Pressing the purchase button in 2-3 days.
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August 1, 2013 11:41:25 AM

I would be very wary of that RAID controller card. Cheap cards tend to fail a couple months down the line (generally), and you could lose your array. Also, if you want RAID, be sure to pick up an Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) so that if you ever experience a power outage or somebody mistakenly unplugs your computer, you won't lose every RAID in your system.

As far as RAID cards go, Areca has a very good reputation within the film industry, although some of their cards are quite expensive.

Also worth mentioning is since you're getting a RAID card, you won't be connecting all of those hard drives to the motherboard SATA ports. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to be one reason you chose the Asrock motherboard - it has a whopping 12 SATA ports. You won't need all of those with a RAID card. I suggest the Sabertooth X79 for its 5-year warranty and lower price. Fits right into your upgrade cycle and has 8 SATA ports, which is just right since you have 12 drives (4 of which will go on the RAID card).
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August 1, 2013 11:54:55 AM

I have a cheap card right now with no issues, but that said, I see where you are coming from.

Updated based on feedback http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl

Starting to get out of budget. Considering dropping SDD to 256 (-220$) and going with Gigabyte Mobo now that I have a PCI RAID card (-90$, the RAID on the Asus appears to be 3GB/s). Are all the fancy features on the Asus worth it? Looks like RAM drive is easy to setup and sound and Wifi are top notch, but might drop it to get back in budget.
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August 1, 2013 12:08:57 PM

I thought you needed a RAID card with 4 SATA ports on the inside? And there's not really a problem with getting a board besides the Sabertooth X79. I just suggest it because of you upgrade cycle. I would not spend more money on a board just for SATA ports though.

Also, if you're worried about SATA3 vs SATA2, in all honesty a couple drives in RAID 0 won't really see a benefit when connected to a SATA3 port vs a SATA2 port. SSD's are a different story, but unless you've got a couple 1TB SSD's then I wouldn't focus too much on SATA3 for HDD RAID 10. Get whatever fits your budget with the best real-world features.
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August 1, 2013 12:39:49 PM

-drop the SSD to 256gb and to the ultra plus. you cannot tell the difference between the 2 drives other than in benchmarks

all but 2 ports from the x79 chipset are sata 2 ports. given the raid card, you only need 2 of the given ports. 1 for the dvd drive and one for the boot SSD


you may want to get a LSI 9240 card. they are pretty the standard for raid cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 1, 2013 1:25:01 PM

your call. a gigabyte up4 board costs around 240 dollars and a LSI raid card would be around 300 dollars. you end up paying more for getting intergrated. also note that the chipset fan is LOUD. you pay more for intergration
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August 2, 2013 9:01:35 AM

So, after reviewing all of my SATA connections I was just about to switch the GIGABYTE, until I read the reviews on newegg where it sounded like a lot of people got bad boards. Then I reviewed the ASUS X79 Extreme9 and ASRock X79 Champion, which had equally horrible reviews. What is the story? Is QA/QC really this bad on non-OEM motherboards? Or are these a bunch of people who install incorrectly, overheat with over clocking, or otherwise damage the boards? Thoughts?
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August 2, 2013 9:05:45 AM

the thing is that reviews dont necessarily mean bad products. working products run fine so there isnt much of a point of writing a review for the product. if you got a bad product, for sure you are going to complain about it
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August 2, 2013 10:55:59 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl

Looks like the final, except that I will be ordering the motherboard and 4930K in September when released. Likely ordering in 1-2 days

Many thanks to the forum. I believe every part changed, a testament to your advice. Credit goes to TheBigTroll and LeMonarque.
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August 4, 2013 8:05:39 AM

I was doing some checking and realized that my PSU had too few SATA power connections. What do you think about this power supply? Will the supply come with all of the cables I need, or will I need to buy extras separately? Who knows what's included in the Modular cable pack.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/skipiggy/saved/24jl
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August 4, 2013 8:07:13 AM

How many SATA power connectors do you need?
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