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July 29, 2013 7:58:14 PM

I'm building my first gaming pc soon and I have a few motherboard questions. I am planning on using the ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 motherboard. I'm not overclocking at this time because I don't feel comfortable with it right now but it is something that I'm very interested in the near future! Will the ram I'm choosing have a fast enough clock speed at 1600 for gaming? The motherboard says it features ROG RAMDISK and will that work with this memory and is that hard to set up? I chose to use a SSD to load the operating system faster. Thanks for your input.

Here is my list.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1m9Rj
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1m9Rj/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1m9Rj/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($139.18 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Red 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($654.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Other: Seagate 600 Series ST240HM000 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) ($199.99)
Total: $1977.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-29 22:50 EDT-0400)

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July 29, 2013 9:19:14 PM

Overall, the system looks good, but if going 16GB, suggest a 2x8GB setup, slightly better performance with 2 sticks, (less pipes to run) and less stress on the MC (memory controller) with only 2 sticks. Would also take the freq up, even if only 1866 (price basically the same as 1600) higher freq provides higher bandwidth, I'd suggest the Snipers F3-1866C9D-16GSR @ $136 or step up to the Tridents a 1866/CL8 set at $163

And great mobo selection, just got my Hero in last Fri
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July 30, 2013 6:05:48 AM

Tradesman1 said:
Overall, the system looks good, but if going 16GB, suggest a 2x8GB setup, slightly better performance with 2 sticks, (less pipes to run) and less stress on the MC (memory controller) with only 2 sticks. Would also take the freq up, even if only 1866 (price basically the same as 1600) higher freq provides higher bandwidth, I'd suggest the Snipers F3-1866C9D-16GSR @ $136 or step up to the Tridents a 1866/CL8 set at $163
And great mobo selection, just got my Hero in last Fri


So only 2 sticks will still work even though it has 4 sockets? I'm guessing because its a duel channel motherboard and would 1866 ddr3 work? Would I have to overclock the CPU to use 1866? Also that 1866 trident memory says its has 1.6 volts and the CPU I'm using says 1.5 volts. Thank for your advice!
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July 30, 2013 7:58:52 AM

Can still use 4 slots but no need to fill all 4 unless needed, as described before, yes 1866 will be fine as suggested
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July 30, 2013 8:50:57 AM

At first I wanted to suggest an i5 instead of an i7, however when I saw the rest of your system I noticed that you went a bit overkill everywhere which is very much intended I guess. ;) 

I, too, would get a bit faster RAM.
Also, isn´t there a faster HDD in the same size for price segment?
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July 30, 2013 9:54:12 AM

I have finally decided to overclock my Haswell to 4.2-4.4! I will try that for now. My uncle is helping me build so he knows more about overclocking than me. I chose the Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler because Ive heard that Haswell can run very hot! My updated parts list is below.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1mkpT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1mkpT/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1mkpT/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($205.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($163.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Red 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($654.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Cooler Master V850 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($124.00 @ Amazon)
Other: Seagate 600 Series ST240HM000 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) ($199.99)
Total: $2103.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-30 12:52 EDT-0400)

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July 30, 2013 9:56:41 AM

Well, the Seidon is not exactly the AiO cooler I would have picked but aside from that, your specs look pretty nice.
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July 30, 2013 10:01:01 AM

Som3one said:
Well, the Seidon is not exactly the AiO cooler I would have picked but aside from that, your specs look pretty nice.


I chose that AOI because I'm using a cooler master case.

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July 30, 2013 10:14:11 AM

And an CM PSU. ;) 

Yeah, I noticed that. Still not the one I would have chosen.
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July 30, 2013 10:21:52 AM

Som3one said:
And an CM PSU. ;) 

Yeah, I noticed that. Still not the one I would have chosen.


Sorry to ask but is there a certain reason you don't choose cooler master? Have you had defective parts in the past? Just curious :) 
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July 30, 2013 11:05:45 AM

Nope, just reviews that weren´t too favorable towards the CM AiO coolers.

I personally only have had experience with the H100i, H220, x60 and x40....and I think one more I can´t think of right now...
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July 30, 2013 11:28:56 AM

Will I need a cooling block for the ram?
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July 30, 2013 1:49:37 PM

Don´t the TridentX already have those fancy passive coolers?
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July 30, 2013 1:59:54 PM

Should have no need for additional cooling on the DRAM, I've used a ton of sets of Tridents, both with the Fin on and off and there's never been an issue with heat, I live in AZ, and run 32GB on a Z77 3570K @ 4.7 24/7 and when I pull them to test other stiicks they are just slightly warm
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July 30, 2013 5:38:07 PM

Thanks for all your input! Do any other components need cooling besides my CPU? Such as my GPU?
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July 30, 2013 5:49:20 PM

Shouldn't on individual items, make sure you have good airflow in your case and should be good to go ;) 
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July 30, 2013 11:44:18 PM

What he said.

Also, if you have like a bunch of HDDs/SSDs you should make sure those get enough airflow, too.
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July 30, 2013 11:57:06 PM

Case is a HAF XM, so multiple drives can load behind the front intake fan and room for additional fans, the HAF cases are my favs
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July 31, 2013 9:16:30 AM

According to PC Part Picker the 1866 ddr3 I'm using says there maybe voltage issues because my CPU runs at 1.5 volts and the dram I'm choosing runs at higher voltage. How would I confugure that with my motherboard? Would 2133 dram be a better choice? Faster? Here is the message I get from PC Part Picker. I'm planning on trying to overclock to 4.5.

G.Skill TridentX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory operating voltage of 1.6V exceeds the Intel Haswell CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum.
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July 31, 2013 9:26:39 AM

The 1.5-1.55 Intel recommendation, is just that a recommendation, and like all Intel specs - far understated...Running high performance and high freq sticks requires more voltage from both the DRAM itself and the MC (memory controller)...I myself recommend basically no DRAM at 1600 over 1.5, unless running a tight CL7, at 1866 same except CL8 - the at 2133/CL9 is about where 1.65 comes in...I like to try and keep the the MC voltage within about .6 of the DRAM voltage with performance sticks....
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July 31, 2013 9:41:42 AM

Tradesman1 said:
The 1.5-1.55 Intel recommendation, is just that a recommendation, and like all Intel specs - far understated...Running high performance and high freq sticks requires more voltage from both the DRAM itself and the MC (memory controller)...I myself recommend basically no DRAM at 1600 over 1.5, unless running a tight CL7, at 1866 same except CL8 - the at 2133/CL9 is about where 1.65 comes in...I like to try and keep the the MC voltage within about .6 of the DRAM voltage with performance sticks....


So will 1866 be okay to use for my setup? How will the voltage be set? I'm guess with the bios?
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July 31, 2013 9:50:43 AM

Most definitively, if I can get a set (I'll be doing either 1 or 2 Haswells for myself the weekend of the 10th, ttaking a couple days off to play) I'm planning on 2800 (short supply right now, ICs are hard to come by) else I'll go 2666
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July 31, 2013 10:14:41 AM

will I notice a big difference in gaming using a higher frequency memory?
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July 31, 2013 12:13:09 PM

Will it be measurable? Yes.
Will it be noticeable? No.

I mean, we are talking about only a few FPS difference here. OC your GPU and CPU even slightly and you´ll get a much more noticeable difference.


There is this guy on another forum (can´t remember either unfortunately) who does a ***load of RAM testing in all configs. High freq vs low freq, good stepping vs not so good etc. All regarding FPS and gaming.
And I don´t think there was ever a difference in FPS above 10. Could be wrong though.
However, what he found out is that for Haswell, the sweetspot is at about 1866 (or better) at a CL9 stepping, low voltage RAM preferable if supported by the motherboard.
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July 31, 2013 12:35:20 PM

In gaming not so much if any (a big jump might be noticible, like from 1600/9 to 21333/9 or 2400, but in gaming the DRAM is basically a pass through conduit, the CPU and GPU are the big performance players
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July 31, 2013 10:25:19 PM

Would think so, I'm not a good one to ask, I've seldom ever found a need for liquid, the $35 212 EVO cools just as well as the H100, and at a savings of $75
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July 31, 2013 10:58:47 PM

Also was wondering if a push pull configuration is necessary? I don't think I have enough room in my case for that though.
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July 31, 2013 11:05:33 PM

I've used it but not a big difference, some of my clients want/like it but I think more for the look of it ;)  I generally just have the front fan blowing across the fins and an exhaust fan in the back of the case on mine
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August 1, 2013 1:21:51 AM

I'm wondering if I can install the corsair h100i under the metal case as shown on the instruction manual and then install the pull fans between the case and the plastic top cover? That may require a trip to ace hardware for longer bolts:)  I do love the design of the haf xm.
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August 1, 2013 1:41:04 AM

Aaron1988 said:
Also was wondering if a push pull configuration is necessary? I don't think I have enough room in my case for that though.

Usually, a push-pull config gives you around 2-4°C benefit over push only.


Aaron1988 said:
I'm wondering if I can install the corsair h100i under the metal case as shown on the instruction manual and then install the pull fans between the case and the plastic top cover? That may require a trip to ace hardware for longer bolts:)  I do love the design of the haf xm.

You might want to google for "h100i case compatibility". There are lots of lists on other forums about that. Sometimes including description where you can mount it, how, if modifications are necessarily and if push-pull is possible.

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August 4, 2013 7:36:01 PM

I want to use the Asus maximus hero motherboard. Does it auto over clock if you want to use extreme mode? Does it control the fans and cooling that way too? The corsair h100i cooler has its own software to control the fans and temp and will this be a problem with the motherboard 4 way optimization AI Suite 3? Can someone explain the 4 way optimization better to me? Thank you guys!
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August 4, 2013 7:42:13 PM

There is auto option available, but I always OC manually, in this instance suggest going for it and we can compare notes, am planning to build my Hero this upcoming weekend, am shopping for fianl part as we speak
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August 5, 2013 7:56:34 AM

Let me know how your build goes :)  I won't be starting mine until September. Have to save more money for the system and my job keeps my busy lol. Hey let's say my i7 haswell processor Is over clocked and I want to play sim city 4. That game is an older game designed to work on single core processors. I have an amd Athlon 5600 dual core in my current dell pc. I have to set the game to where it will run on only 1 core because the game usually crashes if its ran on both cores. If I did that on my new haswell overclocked would that cause problems?
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August 5, 2013 8:21:52 AM

Wouldn't think so ;)  Not much the last 3 gens of Intel CPUs can't handle
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