i7 3930K Workstation for Industrial Design/3D

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So budget is ca ~2800€
Id take something like this:
https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/bd4ea9220247a11b42eb35741dfd9c16a5a0423914e8c6dab65

Wait couple days or so and cpu price will dropp to ~500€
Case is better.
PSU is bettes.
This really good PSU too:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/750-Watt-Super-Flower-Golden-King-Platinum-Modular-80--Platin_772824.html
But if you do not make SLI in future then 550-650w PSU is enough.
MoBo is better. Here you can save some if you like. Then take this:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GA-X79-UP4-Intel-X79-So-2011-Quad-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_810108.html
Samsung SSD are really good but expensive. So cheaper is not bad...

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1- That EVGA is noisy , get this :

http://www.alternate.de/Gainward/Gainward+GeForce_GTX_780_Phantom,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1088378/?

2- better motherboard : http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90514466/asus-p9x79-e-ws.asp

3- Samsung 840 pro cheaper :

http://www.pixmania.de/de/de/12891331/art/samsung/interne-ssd-840-pro-serie.html#srcid=47&CodePromo=oui

4- better harddisk (5 years warranty Black 4 Tera ) :

http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=84427&agid=689&pvid=4o1orobas_hjqtlk0j&ref=13

5- cheaper memory :

http://www.alternate.de/G.Skill/G.Skill+DIMM_32_GB_DDR3-1600_Quad-Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/961585/?

6- cheaper CPU :

http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/90439086/intel-core-i7-3930k.asp?agent=288&utm_campaign=preisv&utm_source=288&utm_medium=CPC

 
So budget is ca ~2800€
Id take something like this:
https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/bd4ea9220247a11b42eb35741dfd9c16a5a0423914e8c6dab65

Wait couple days or so and cpu price will dropp to ~500€
Case is better.
PSU is bettes.
This really good PSU too:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/750-Watt-Super-Flower-Golden-King-Platinum-Modular-80--Platin_772824.html
But if you do not make SLI in future then 550-650w PSU is enough.
MoBo is better. Here you can save some if you like. Then take this:
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Gigabyte-GA-X79-UP4-Intel-X79-So-2011-Quad-Channel-DDR3-ATX-Retail_810108.html
Samsung SSD are really good but expensive. So cheaper is not bad choice.
What you really eed is USB3 card reader. It is lot faster than usb2 reader.

New intel 4960 is coming out in month or two. So maybe best wait that.
 
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It is a very good system and should perform your tasks well. Think about overclocking the CPU. Your power supply is minimal; I would step it up to at least 700 watts. If you ever want to upgrade by adding another GPU in SLI, then, as it stands now, you would also have to upgrade your power supply.
The EVGA card will be a little loud (fan noise does not bother me, like it does many others in these forums), but EVGA’s customer service is nonpareil. Personally, I would keep the EVGA.
 
EVGA is good card if you plan to go for water loop. You do NOT lose warranty if you remove the cooler.
If you plan is use stock cooler then take gigabyte or asus.
And remember that EVGA costomer service do not work in EU so well :)
 

SNA3

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you dont know Gainward ... dont speak somthing you dont know. it is not in USA , and it is the BEST GTX 780 .. dont give wrong ADVICE !

 

ddennix

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big thanks everybody! :)

didn't expect so many replies so fast ;)

One thing I might have to add, I "have" to get the workstation prefab or custom built, as I do not have the skills/time to build one on my own.
That's why I will have to go through a "shop", that will get me everything built, tested/checked and shipped.

Unfortunatelly I can not wait for newer, better models as I have to order it in 1 week max.

Point taken on the PSU and USB3 card reader.

Will the EVGA GTX 780 or the Gainward model need additional cooling?

As for the noise, I dont mid it being noisier if the performance is much better. Do you guys have a benchmark link for the Gainward GPU?

@SNA3
In order to understand, can you please tell me why the ASUS P9X79-E WS is better than the ASUS P9X79 Pro?

Thanks again!



 
ddennix,

I am an architect that has been working on industrial design the last eight years.

The parts selections for your proposed system are in general very good, but specifically I suggest that they are very good for playing games, rather than graphic and industrial design. Above a certain level of image quality and precision, the system for content creation is quite different from a system for content consumption.

For a system optimized for 3D CAD, rendering, and graphic design, there are important advantages to use a Xeon CPU, ECC RAM, and a Quadro or Firepro graphics card. A gaming-oriented system is optimized for frame rates while a workstation system finishes every image fully. With a Xeon / ECC /Quadro, there is error correction, high levels of anti-aliasing, 10 -bit color, viewport support in programs such as Solidworks and Maya that can produce multiple source lighting, and more subtle shadows, color gradients, and elements such as smoke, water, and reflections are more accurate.

When I moved from 2D to 3D CAD in 2009, I changed to a workstation system which produced very good results. The Quadro FX580 graphics card had only 5212MB memory, so I bought a GTX 285 with 1GB memory for better 3D performance. The problem was, it produced erratic shadows and artifacts in renderings, would not open viewports in Solidworks and in Adobe CS, shadows and color were "rainbowed"- the color changes appeared in bands of color,a nd would freeze while navigating a large 3D model in Sketchup. A number of the rendering problems appeared only on the display- that is they did no print, and I also believed that some of these problems were CPU-related, but changing to a Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) solved everything.

A few weeks ago, I worked on an idea for a system for myself that I believe would be ausgezeichnet for your use. This uses a Xeon CPU that is more or less the workstation equivalent to the i7-3930K.

The prices are from newegg US >

BambiBoom PixelCannon Cadaedirendergrapharific TurboSignature WalletScream Extreme VIII ®©SS™®£™©™_ 6.30.13

This system is intended as a workstation solution with high performance / high precision, very high stability / reliability at reasonable cost, and suitable for 2D and 3D CAD, graphic design, rendering, mathematics, simulation, animation, and video editing.

1. Xeon E5-1650 6-core 3.2 /3.8GHz, 12MB cache, LGA 2011 $600 (Passmark CPU score= 11462, rank = No. 12) > $590.

2. Noctua NH-U12S 120x120x25 ( NF-F12 PWM) SSO2-Bearing ( Self-stabilizing oil-pressure bearing ) CPU Cooler $70

3. ASUS P9X79 WS LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 SSI CEB $380. (Supports up to 64GB RAM. The "WS" has a couple of special workstation features including dual LAN connections and enhanced RAID capabilities.

4. 32GB (4X 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ECC Unbuffered Server Memory > about $300. (Check ASUS motherboard memory compatibility list)

5. NVIDIA Quadro K4000 VCQK4000-PB 3GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card > $760 (Adobe CS is optimized for use with Quadro)

6. SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) > $240. (OS and Applications)

7. (2) Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (RAID 1) > $180 $90ea. (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply $120.

9. LIAN LI PC-A75 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case $182

__9A. OPT’L > Corsair Obsidian Series 900D CC-9011022-WW Black Aluminum ATX Super Tower Computer Case $349.99

10. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $17.

12. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (Full Version) - OEM $140

TOTAL = $2,989. Or > $3,167 with Corsair 900D
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The performance should be very good. Although there was no system with the exact specification, on Passmark Performance Test a system (HP z420) > Xeon E5-1650 > HP 1589 motherboard > 24GB RAM > Quadro K4000 > SSD RAID 0 > had a Rating = 4482 CPU=11829, 2D=689, 3D=2789 Mem= 2524 Disk= 7590. For reference, my dual Xeon quad core x5460 (3.16GHz) > 16GB RAM > Quadro FX 4800 > WD RE4 mechanical HD > had a Rating = 1859, CPU=8528, 2D=517, 3D=1097 Mem=729, Disk = 929

Also for reference, an HP z420 with Xeon E5-1650, 32GB RAM, Quadro K4000 > SSD 128GB / 2X 1TB mech'l drives is quoted from HP = $4,842.

Verwenden Sie bei der Arbeit machen nicht die Werkzeuge um Spiele.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1> [ Dell Precision T5400 > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16 GB ECC 667> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 / Segt Brcda 500GB > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit > HP 2711x 27" 1920 x 1080 > AutoCad, Revit, Solidworks, Sketchup Pro, Corel Technical Designer, Adobe CS MC, WordP Office, MS Office > architecture, industrial design, graphic design, rendering, writing ]

2 > [ HP z420 > Xeon E5-1620 quad core @3.6 /3.8 GHz** > 16GB ECC 1600 > Firepro V4900*** > Seagate 500GB > Windows 7 Professional > no applications yet loaded] ** To eventually become Xeon E5-2687W ***To eventually become > Quadro 4000, K4000, or 5000



 

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:) nice build
 

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@bambiboom

Big thanks for your feedback and nice setup btw! :)

I understand the difference of a gaming rig vs CAD workstation in general. From my understanding what you say is applicable to many CAD apps, specially the ones with dedicated quadro drivers (like 3Dmax, maybe also SolidWorks).

The apps I will primarily use (Rhino5 and Keyshot) won't need a quadro I think as the newer GTX cards also support OpenGL.

But checking the Asus P9X79-E WS would be interesting as it provides more flexibility on what processors could be use vs the PRO.

Or what other advantage has the Asus P9X79-E WS over the P9X79 PRO?
 

ZippyPeanut

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I didn't say anything about Gainward; so, I did not speak about something you assume that I don't know. I did speak of EVGA, something I do know. My "advice" was not "wrong"; rather it was a tentative opinion expressed as "personally, I would keep the EVGA." Let me explain the meaning of this complicated sentence: It means that I--me--the person writing this note--would choose the EVGA. I'll leave it to the OP and his obvious intelligence to choose for himself, and not cram a Gainward (or an EVGA) down his throat.
 


ddennix,

Regarding differences in the ASUS P9X79 WS (WS= "workstation") >

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P9X79_WS/#specifications

>and the "PRO" >

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P9X79_PRO/#specifications

> the principal differences are that the WS can use i7 and also Xeon E5-16XX and 26XX series CPU and ECC or non-ECC RAM, the WS has 2X LAN controllers and also 6X PCIe3.O x16 slots, though I think those can not all be wired x16 simultaneously. Other features, the number of USB 3, SATA 6GB and 3 GB controllers seem very similar, but I haven't done a very careful comparison.

Much of my choice for the WS is that it consistently appears in the better performing Xeon-based systems in Passmark Performance Test and including 3 of the 5 fastest E5-1650 systems which by the way use> No. 1 (5570) GTX 660, 2. (4893) Titan, 3. (4861) 660, 4. (4829) 660, 5. (4720) GTX 670. The GTX 660 seems to be a really good one with the E5-1650.

I hope that someone who has used these boards will comment also.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 

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there is a new workstation P9X79-E WS

it is released in 2013 , dont mix it with old one :)
 

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