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Best Bang for your buck? MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC vs MSI AMD Radeon HD 7970 Twin Frozr III?

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July 30, 2013 10:17:11 AM

I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 
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July 30, 2013 10:35:26 AM

hybird9012 said:
I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 

Okay thank you very much for the reply, so if I was to buy a 7950 what brand of the 7950 would you reccommend? Again, thank you for the reply :) 
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July 30, 2013 10:40:00 AM

byogamingpc said:
+1 for the Gigabyte GTX 760 WF http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DGM8B6O/ref=as_li_q...

Thank you for the reply. If I was to get this, would it matter if I got the Revision 1 version rather than the rev 2 because the revision 2 is £10 more expensive so is it worth getting the Rev 2 or not? Thanks again for the reply :) 
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July 30, 2013 10:59:15 AM

hybird9012 said:
I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 


This could not be any further from the truth. Do yourself a favor and take a look at some reviews at TechPowerUps database:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/Graphics-Cards/NVID...

The MSI Twinfrozr GTX 760 gaming or OC is reviewed as one of the best cards in terms of both thermal and acoustical performance across a variety of sites.

That being said the Gigabyte 3x Windforce is reviewed as being cool and quiet and performing a bit better "out of the box" as the MSI. Here's some charts from Tom's Hardware that show the heat and noise graphs:







As you can see the Gigagyte and MSI trade blows, though the Gigabyte achieves the same cooling at much higher RPMs with its 3 fans. Faster RPMs and more fans to me indicate a higher chance of failure. Throw in MSI's commitment to high quality components (Military Class IV is their marketing term) and you should feel comfortable with the MSI. The Gigabytes is a great card too. If you're gaming at 1080p it's hard to pass up the value of the GTX 760.
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July 30, 2013 3:49:33 PM

OcelotRex said:
hybird9012 said:
I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 


This could not be any further from the truth. Do yourself a favor and take a look at some reviews at TechPowerUps database:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/Graphics-Cards/NVID...

The MSI Twinfrozr GTX 760 gaming or OC is reviewed as one of the best cards in terms of both thermal and acoustical performance across a variety of sites.

That being said the Gigabyte 3x Windforce is reviewed as being cool and quiet and performing a bit better "out of the box" as the MSI. Here's some charts from Tom's Hardware that show the heat and noise graphs:







As you can see the Gigagyte and MSI trade blows, though the Gigabyte achieves the same cooling at much higher RPMs with its 3 fans. Faster RPMs and more fans to me indicate a higher chance of failure. Throw in MSI's commitment to high quality components (Military Class IV is their marketing term) and you should feel comfortable with the MSI. The Gigabytes is a great card too. If you're gaming at 1080p it's hard to pass up the value of the GTX 760.

Thank you very much for this informative reply. I am Pretty much decided I am going with the Gtx 760 now, but just to clarify, are you pretty much saying buy the cheapest of the two cards? Thanks again for the reply, really helpful to making a decision :) 
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July 30, 2013 4:07:45 PM

I found this video (located towards the middle or bottom of the page) very helpful:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/ze...

If you open the link in a chrome browser you should be able to translate it. The video shows the loudness and fan noise characteristics of 10 gtx 760's. It helped me decide. I purchased the MSI version because of reviews like this that praise the card for low fan noise at load. The Gigabyte is not much louder but performs faster with their factory overclick the MSI out of the box. If you plan to over clock further the MSI was my choice.If plan to stick with the speeds of the cards from the manufacturer then I'd go for the gigabye. If you care not for noise and don't want to further over clock go for the EVGA superclocked with ACX cooling as it seems to perform the best out of the box at the expense of efficiency, noise, and some heat.
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July 30, 2013 6:24:01 PM

OcelotRex said:
hybird9012 said:
I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 


This could not be any further from the truth. Do yourself a favor and take a look at some reviews at TechPowerUps database:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/Graphics-Cards/NVID...

The MSI Twinfrozr GTX 760 gaming or OC is reviewed as one of the best cards in terms of both thermal and acoustical performance across a variety of sites.

That being said the Gigabyte 3x Windforce is reviewed as being cool and quiet and performing a bit better "out of the box" as the MSI. Here's some charts from Tom's Hardware that show the heat and noise graphs:







As you can see the Gigagyte and MSI trade blows, though the Gigabyte achieves the same cooling at much higher RPMs with its 3 fans. Faster RPMs and more fans to me indicate a higher chance of failure. Throw in MSI's commitment to high quality components (Military Class IV is their marketing term) and you should feel comfortable with the MSI. The Gigabytes is a great card too. If you're gaming at 1080p it's hard to pass up the value of the GTX 760.


Well from my experience with the Twin Frozrs I didn't like them. I also have an AMD 7950 Twin Frozr so I'm not sure about the 760. They were very loud and the card got very hot.. this is from several reviews on the Twin Frozrs. Also, sound is relative because equipment can pickup noises that the ears can't and vice versa.. so on paper if it's quieter but it sounds like a jet engine then I'd go with my ear.
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July 30, 2013 6:27:12 PM

Enax said:
hybird9012 said:
I wouldn't recommend the twin frozrs at all. Their cooling ability is terrible. I have a 7950 Twin Frozr and immediately replaced it with an aftermarket cooler. They are also very loud. I'd recommend Sapphire or Asus cooling solutions.

As for performance, the nVidia 760 is similar to an AMD 7950 and they have similar price and performance. One thing to keep in mind though is that the nVidia 760 only has 2GB of VRam vs. AMD's 3GB... and the memory bit is higher on the AMD (384 vs 256). This could lead to higher frame rates and higher resolutions. However, the memory speed is 1000Mhz faster on nVidia cards. I personally wouldn't get a 7970. You could get a 7950 and overclock it to a 7970 easily. That's what I did :) 

Okay thank you very much for the reply, so if I was to buy a 7950 what brand of the 7950 would you reccommend? Again, thank you for the reply :) 


I would recommend at least a dual fan solution like the Sapphire Vapor, Sapphire Flex, ASUS HD7950 or Gigabyte GV-R795WF3 (which has three fans) for an AMD 7950 card :) 
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July 30, 2013 8:26:09 PM

hybird9012 said:

I would recommend at least a dual fan solution like the Sapphire Vapor, Sapphire Flex, ASUS HD7950 or Gigabyte GV-R795WF3 (which has three fans) for an AMD 7950 card :) 


The 7950 is a great card. It bests the GTX 760 in raw performance numbers, in any game that is heavy with tessellation enabled, and has more RAM with a 384-bit memory bus that outperforms the GTX 760 at resolutions higher than 1080p. That being said it's also a card that's nearly 1.5 years old and there's a reason that the 7950 cards are priced closely to the 1 month old GTX 760 - the 760 gives nearly the same performance for less than the price of the 7950.

The Gigabyte AMD 7950 with winforce cooler is on sale right now for $279.99 which is a good deal. I still feel that the Gigabyte GTX 760 with Winforce cooler is the better choice at $20 cheaper. It's a month old, has the PhysX edge, plus some nice software features like Shadow Play and Geforce Experience. The Gigabyte is reviewed highly along with the MSI, is cool/quiet, and performs nearly as well as all the other GTX 760's on sale now. If you don't want the MSI, go with the Gigabyte. If you want an AMD card at a great price, grab the Gigabyte 7950 linked above.
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July 30, 2013 8:42:28 PM

I just upgraded to a MSI GTX 760 OC TF from a GTX 650 Ti Boost from Galaxy and I will say this about it. The MSI card comes with some awesome stuff to overclock out of the box. It has two fans which are 100mm each. As anyone who has ridden a bicycle knows, the larger diameter a wheel is, (a fan is a wheel) the faster you go, because as you go further from the center the circumference of the circle grows. At the same rpm (rotations per minute) the MSI TF 100mm fan is moving more air than a 80mm fan. It is also designed to be stiffer, lighter and with superior angles to vent air. With some simple math calculations one could ascertain that two 100mm fans will put out more air flow (measured in CFM) than even three 80mm fans because the extra 20mm length on its fan blades are at the end of the fan which move more air. Science experiment over... however two fans should be, common sense wise, quieter than three but my experience there is limited to the two previously mentioned GPU's. My previous GPU had only one fan so it was always going to be quieter then again it didn't perform like this one does. I doubt either card will upset you but I am giving my thumbs way up for the MSI which keeps my overclocked card (above 1200mhz) very cool and not very loud. The cooler looks amazing and it IS proven to work. I would rather have two big fans than three smaller ones and I truly do think it not only moves more air but the cooler itself, the heatsink, is larger which cools it. Also it came with a $10 rebate and free Splinter Cell Blacklist (retail $49). Get both and see which one you like more then return the one you don't want. Isn't that what credit cards are for?!
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July 31, 2013 2:54:49 PM

I would like to thank you all for the replies. I have decided to go with either the MSI gtx 760 or the gigabyte gtx 760. Although I will most probably go with the MSI. thanks you all again for the replies and I have narrowed it down to them two gpus any other options on either of the two cards will be still greatly appreciated so I can narrow it down to just the one. thanks again for the replies so far :) 


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August 26, 2013 5:08:48 PM

kau1997 said:
the 7970 however, pretty much kicks the 760's ass.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=854


It should; the 7970 retailed for $549 in early 2012. The 760 retails for $249 in 2013. AMD dropped their prices to compete with Nvidia.
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August 27, 2013 3:12:50 AM

Didnt realise this was a july post. My bad.
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August 27, 2013 11:03:30 AM

kau1997 said:
Didnt realise this was a july post. My bad.


I actually have the same question... I need a new card and I'm looking at the msi 760 @ 259, msi 760 hawk @ 290, or msi 7970 which is now down to 314! What kind of performance would I get for that extra 40-60 bucks? Is it worth it or should I jump on one of the 760s?

Thanks in advance!
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August 27, 2013 11:39:35 AM

Where is the msi 7970 down to $314?
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August 27, 2013 11:39:36 AM

Where is the msi 7970 down to $314?
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