Worried about my Haswell temps Advice Please!

CageTheMoose

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Hi everybody,

Today i built a Haswell system with a 4770k and Gtx 770. I'm currently running intel burn in test with CPUZ and task manager. For cooling i have a CM212 evo however i am not overclocking. I also used Arctic MX4 TIM.

At idle i'm getting 30-35 which i thought was okay however when i run IntelBurnIn test at maximum with all cores enabled this is what happens.

Instantly rises from 30-35 up to 60-65 within the first 5 seconds. Sharp rise again after about 90 seconds to 99 degrees. Results gathered using HWMonitor and i am very worried.

I dont want to do anything intensive like gaming/editing right now with these results. I am also worried that my temps are actually exceeding 99 degrees because it always rises to 99 and stays their, as if 99 is the maximum recorded but it is actually reaching higher temps.

If anyone could help i'd appreciate it.
 
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1) I'm guessing your temps are being recordedcorrectly as Idle temp seems normal. Idle temp should be 5 to 9 C higher than your Room temp.

2) Based on what you said about In bios fan speen sems OFF. Your bios should offer two methods of controlling span speen when on auto
.. PWM PUlse Width Modulation is like a on/off control, in increases (or decreases) the time that +12V is applied to the fan windings.
.. Amplitude Modulation which varies the +12V voltage. +12V for Max speed and decreases the voltage to dcrease the speed.
Try the switching the mode and see what effects (also monitor your CPU temp in BIOS.
** It's possible your Fan does NOT like the selected mode of controlling the speed.
You might, for the time being set the...

macintyre

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i highly doubt those are your temps with a working 212... maybe try testing your temps with a different software? How is your 212 running? Maybe your processor or cooler is deffective :( .
 
99c. is worrisome if accurate.
If you are not overclocking, your cooler mount is probably bad.
Try using occt for oc stress test.
I found it to be a better test.
It will stop the test once you reach 85c.
Your overclock is probably too high. But it is good that you are not failing.
The cpu should downclock the multiplier if the temperature exceeds a safe level.
The temperatures get very high when the voltage goes over 1.3v.
If you are using one of the automated overclocking methods, it is likely too aggressive.
Try just raising the multiplier gradually from the default 35 and see where the temperatures start o rise rapidly.
How well you can oc is mostly determined by luck of the bin and a good chip.
 

CageTheMoose

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I havent overclocked at all everything should be at stock? :/ This is my first build i dont even know how to overclock. The only thing i did was in the Asus z87 pro bios i chose the performance setting over normal. I am also reading in HWmonitor that my min CPU VCORE is 0.688v and max is 1.344v not sure if this is the voltage of the cpu but if it is its changing on its own because i dont even know how to to :/

 

CageTheMoose

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When i boot i get CPU fan error and even on turbo the bios says that its at the bare minimum RPM. It is plugged into the CPU fan header too.

 
1) I'm guessing your temps are being recordedcorrectly as Idle temp seems normal. Idle temp should be 5 to 9 C higher than your Room temp.

2) Based on what you said about In bios fan speen sems OFF. Your bios should offer two methods of controlling span speen when on auto
.. PWM PUlse Width Modulation is like a on/off control, in increases (or decreases) the time that +12V is applied to the fan windings.
.. Amplitude Modulation which varies the +12V voltage. +12V for Max speed and decreases the voltage to dcrease the speed.
Try the switching the mode and see what effects (also monitor your CPU temp in BIOS.
** It's possible your Fan does NOT like the selected mode of controlling the speed.
You might, for the time being set the fan to run 100% RPMs in bios, until you sort things out.
Added: If you can NOT get fan upto speed then as adimeister stated, fan is defective, RMA it.

On temps. When in bios your CPU temps are normally higher than when in the OS and atIdle. That is because After the OS loads, and at idle the OS drops your CPU speed. My i5-2400K drops to 1.6Ghz while at idle, but as soon as I run an app it jumps up to "full speed".

Your reaching 99C and eveling off indicates PROPER operation of the CPU. The CPU should throttle back when cores reach 100C causing the generation of heat to decrease and it is leveling off the "throttle" to keep below 100C. THANK goodness for this feature.

You problem is either the Fan speed not going to max or improper HSF mounting/paste application.

General comments;
.. Intel burn in test will heat CPs up more than any other app. BUT shuold NOT cause it to increase to max with "proper" cooling.
.. Personally I use Prime 95 to verify stability and give a good indication of max temperatures. It will heat up more than your apps/games, but less than Intel's burn in test.
 
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macintyre

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it's obvious that the problem is your 212... listen to what retiredchief said (he seems very knowledgeable ;)) and the others. If you can't get it working return it as soon as possible! On another note, if you do end up returning it for a refund it may be worth your while to get some corsair hydro series liquid cooling setup for an extra 20-30+ $. Best of luck :)
 

macintyre

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I still love my h80i:love: that i bought for 80$ on sale. I think 2-3 degrees is a little bit of an understatement but i'm not here to argue :)

 

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lol haswell "just [being] hot" is not the reason for the temps that cagethemoose is having.. at least not with a working 212. According to him the 212 isn't operating normally (this is evident if you read previous thread answers) and so it is in fact "the problem" :).
 

CageTheMoose

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okay guys i've been playing around and looking into it and this is what i've gathered. My CPU is not overclocked, not by me anyways. however i've been watching the temps with the voltages and it appears that my temps are 55 and under when the voltage is 1.15 however it gets boosted to 1.23 volts after a few mins in intel burn test which is when my CPU temps hit 85-90 (i've managed to bring it down from 99 buy readjusting the fan mount as it was slightly off center.) i was still thinking that 85-90 was high so i tested it recording BF3 at 60FPson ultra and my temps stayed below 60. My Fan RPM is now doing 1500rpm at full load trying to reach 1800 by fiddling with the bios.

Also is it possible that i could have fucked up the mounting of the evo? i had it in place with but then i had to remove it and adjust it so i could have screwed up the TIM or something?

Anyways the next thing i want to do is test with prime 95 because like someone said it could just be intel burn thats giving the kettle boiling cpu temps
 
Should have mentioned, With Hyper 212, as with most HSF that have valleys on the base - YOU must properly apply the Thermal paste - IT IS DIFF than a Flat surfaced HSF.
Flat surface - Peas sized amount (I spread with latex gloved finge.
Heat pipe surface - FILL the valleys, use old credit card so that only the valleys have Paste then use the diagonal line.

Myself I have the Zalman CPS9900 Max and it does a great job. i5-2500k @ 4.2 is just 60C (Summer time) and upto 4.8 does not break 70C.
As for H20, They can be very effect with the higher OCs. Myself I prefer the air cooled - BUT to each his own!!
 

macintyre

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sounds like things are getting better :) Happy gaming and don't forget to pick the best answer ; )

 

CageTheMoose

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i shall do, more good new! i'm running prime95 now and my CPU is at max load with temps 60-65 and my CPU fan RPM up to a solid 1300-1500 the core voltage is also alot more stable staying between 1.1 and 1.15, was getting quite scared when intel burn test was making me hit 1.3 volts when i'm not even overclocking
 


Thats a easy situation to diagnose, either the fan spins at full tilt or its defective especially plugged into the CPU/Fan header, the trouble shoot is to take another 120mm and connect it if it spins then its the busted sickleflow they send with it. But the HS itself should absorb a lot of the heat and displace it. Closed loop is more severe, failure on the pump will spike temps to thermal shutdown in almost no time at all.

 

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99 is high but not worry some. Haswell is obnoxiously hot. Mine bit 105 and would have gone higher had I not set that as my tj. That was on water.

You are fine to game or do whatever else u want. There is NOTHING apart from stress tests that will hold your cpu at 100% let alone 100% on all 4 cores. Even if there was it wouldn't be cycling small ftts for that exact reason.

While I would suggest reseating your hsf and re applying your TIM - nothing short of a delid will get your temps much lower than 80s with IBT. If you run prime it generates a bit less heat than intel burn test but your still gonna see much higher temps than you would earlier i7s.

Sad but true.

They're heat pigs as it is and our good friend Intel decided to use el cheapo TIM between the IHS and the die instead of solder to add to the problem. At 4.6 with a naked chip on water I'm hitting 68 as we speak with a pretty low vcore.

If you delid properly you can drop 20 off your temps instantly.
 

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I highly doubt your heatsink is defective. Start at square one, and follow these steps below. Not installing the heatsink properly, or applying to much paste will cause problems immediately. On a side note, do not delid your cpu. You mentioned that this is your first build. Get some confidence first. Run your cpu at stock speeds for awhile, and find some forums concerning your motherboard. Start learning some of the basic settings in the bios, and make sure your ram timings are correct. This is were you need to start before set anything to performance, and start running prime tests. Just take it slow. You'll be surprised how quickly you'll learn, when looking in the right places.


I have installed the Hyper 212 plus and Evo several times. The directions are incomplete imo. This is my method how to properly install the Evo.

* The 212 Plus is a little different. The gaps on the heatsink should be filled in before applying paste. Not true with the Evo. The Evo has a smoother surface area vs the 212. Other than that, the same steps apply.

Here are my tips.

1.Use a green pea size drop right in the middle of the cpu. Actually, the size if a Nestles chocolate chip. Just a wee smaller than a pea. How do you know if you used the correct amount ? When paste is not leaking out the sides when you have it fully tightened down.That is very important.

2.I'm sure you noticed the the push pins on the bracket. There adjustable for different lengths. Make sure all 4 pins are adjusted for Intel.

3.VERY important. This is where people make mistakes. Never put the cooler on the cpu first, and then try to adjust the bracket, after the fact. Your cooler will slip and slide before you get it clamped down.

4.Put the bracket on the cooler, just like you would if it was fully assembled sitting on your board. With no paste on the cpu, do some dry runs. Don't touch the cpu, just go through the motions. This will help you adjust the bracket very close to the holes when it counts.

5.Put on the paste, and drop the cooler on the cpu evenly. Your bracket should already be lined up to your 4 mounting holes. Make sure your using a longer Phillips head screwdriver, as this helps. Notice the groove on the sides of the cooler. A longer phillips helps. Tighten each opposite corner a few turns, then the other opposite corners a few turns. Repeat until is is fully secure. After it feels tight. Give it an extra 1/4 turn.

6.The cooler can mount with fans facing front to back or top to bottom.Just in-case you didn't know.

Hope that helps. Good luck.