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Once amazing computer, now not so amazing computer (Low fps problems, WoW)

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July 31, 2013 7:26:42 PM

(sorry for beginning rant, just trying to give you all the best scenario I can give about my computer)

Hey all, I could really use some help with what's going on with my computer.

I built my computer in January of 2012, and when I first built it, I was in love. I was so proud of what I accomplished with building my first computer. Everything looked great, nothing was slowish. I played World of Warcraft on either Ultra or High (I think it was Ultra) 60+ fps easily after playing the game for years on a crappy laptop. I fell in love so much.

Well, not so much anymore. There's nothing really "wrong" with my computer. There are no blue screens, there are no crashes, there, on paper, is nothing wrong with it, except one big thing. It's slow. And I don't know why. It's been driving me nuts.

Over time I really did not care about my computer's performance because I quit gaming, but now that I'm getting back into it, it's driving me crazy.

I have read so many faqs, googled so many times, that I just don't know what to do anymore.

In World of Warcraft, like I said earlier, I got 60+ fps on high settings. Ha! I wish I could get that now. Today, I'm lucky if I get 50+ fps. On low, I get 100+ fps, however, there's constant dips. Constant. It's almost as if something is chopping up my fps. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the game, but in "raids", I get extremely low fps (5-10 fps) and with these specs I'm about to give you guys, something clearly is not right.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K

GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L )

MOBO: ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit

Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

Miscellaneous:

Monitor - Acer S230HLAbii Black 23" 5ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 100,000,000:1 (1000:1)

Internet - Comcast, with 1 GBPS speed.

Hard Drive - 1k gigs with 850 available

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Those are the specs, now these are the things I have done so far to see if my computer would be fixed.

1.) I searched for viruses obviously. There were none.

2.) So, I reformatted. The problem still persists.

3.) So, I bought a new video card. I thought fuck it, even if it's not the problem, I can at least get a cool card.

The card I obtained:

MSI N650ti-1GD5/OC BE GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

4.) Also, didn't work. I'm now here.

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Also, I will mention since this is going to come up in the thread, air flow.

This is what I'm getting from CPUID HWMonitor:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2eb4f86.jpg

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As you can tell, I'm dedicated in fixing this. This is my first computer I've built. It was perfect, now it is not. :/ 
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July 31, 2013 7:45:00 PM

I cant pick thru all that info on my litttle screen, but here is my options; fix any temp. probs (re seat anything hot, clean gpu hsink, fans etc.
(I actually strip graphics cards down and re seat the cooler heat sink with hi end paste, inc vram chips if they are done by the heat sink)
When you are sure there are no heat hold ups, update all drivers, run windows update, then run
CCLEANER and DRIVERSWEEP_
If you havent run ccleaner before, or something similar, it will probably sort you on its own but fix any temp probs first!
After you have done all that, defrag the hard drive.
Then defrag it again ( you would be surprised!)
Then try your games.
then get back to the forum with the results.
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July 31, 2013 8:04:07 PM

I have done all of those unfortunately already :/ 
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July 31, 2013 8:12:52 PM

I know for a 100% fact that the 650 Ti gets 60+ FPS on Ultra in WoW (Through it in a WoW build for a friend). So there is certainly an issue. What are you idle/load temps (CPU and GPU)?
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July 31, 2013 8:15:15 PM

fatboytyler said:
I know for a 100% fact that the 650 Ti gets 60+ FPS on Ultra in WoW (Through it in a WoW build for a friend). So there is certainly an issue. What are you idle/load temps (CPU and GPU)?


Yeah same here :(  unfortunately I'm not getting that :/ 

where do you find the idle/load temps? Sorry not 100% computer savvy still yet
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July 31, 2013 8:16:49 PM

Do you have the latest BIOS, latest mobo drivers, latest GPU driver, have you changed any hardware or reset BIOS, that could throw your DRAM off, check it set correctly
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July 31, 2013 8:27:13 PM

Speed fan, real temp, HW Monitor, etc are a few of the programs to monitor CPU temps and the Nvidia control panel should show the GPU temp. YOu said you went from AMD to Nvidia Graphics? Did you make 100% sure that ALL the Catalyst Control Center (AMD Driver suite) was gone? Registry and all?
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July 31, 2013 8:37:32 PM

This is what I'm getting from HW monitor:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2eb4f86&s=5

@fatboy, the problems persisted with the old AMD card as well, but yes, they are gone, I used driver sweep and everything

@tradesman1, I have the latest mobo drivers, and the latest gpu driver, I do not believe I have reset BIOS, my BIOS version is from august 30, 2011, could that be an issue? sorry if I'm asking stupid questions
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July 31, 2013 8:40:57 PM

Could be, check for latest BIOS
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July 31, 2013 8:50:44 PM

I'd up date to the latest version
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July 31, 2013 9:34:07 PM

I successfully updated the BIOS. The problem remains. Bad fps.
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July 31, 2013 10:59:42 PM

Your temps look REALLY high. Your MIN temps are higher than my MAX temps and I have an Ivy which is known to run hotter than Sandy chips.

Intel lists max temp at 72.6C, so you're likely throttling.

http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K...


I suspect you are running the stock HSF? You'll want an after market HSF.

Tons to choose from but this is a decent starting point if you're not overclocking.

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or BestBuy carries these for $20. A rebranded CoolerMaster.
http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-acc...
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July 31, 2013 11:33:15 PM

If that's the case I'll def go pick up a fan and post back here the results =) if anyone else has any other suggestions as well let me know : )
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July 31, 2013 11:40:39 PM

I'm surprised you're not crashing with those temps. My rig started locking up periodically once summer hit. The stock HSF just couldn't handle it and that's with 4x 120mm (2 push, 2 pull) fans keeping the ambient temps in check.
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August 3, 2013 11:21:37 AM

Hey guys, just an update.

I purchased the fan (the evo) and broke the retention plate, which was a piece of crap. I had to take the motherboard out and reset all the wires, and I already put on some thermal paste for the CPU, so I decided whatever, I'll put the stock fan back on.

These are the results (temperature wise) from HW monitor:

http://i40.tinypic.com/1gmwqr.jpg

As you can see, they are way better than my old temps http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2eb4f86&s=5

however, while my fps went up a little, I still am no where close to running on high or ultra, getting sub 30 fps, and sub 20 fps on ultra.

wth is going on?
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August 3, 2013 12:36:03 PM

Do you still have the 650? Use it. In WoW, which is the game I am assuming you're getting those frames on, Nvidia out performs AMD 300 to 1. My friends 650 Ti with a FX-6300 (Stock) is just as good if not better than my 3570k (4.5 GHz) and OC'd 7950.

WoW on ultra would eat a 6870.

EDIT: If you took that long of a break and came back to WoW then the 6870 is certainly your issue. WoW has become quite a graphically intensive game, especially after Mists came out
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August 3, 2013 2:40:49 PM

fatboytyler said:
Do you still have the 650? Use it. In WoW, which is the game I am assuming you're getting those frames on, Nvidia out performs AMD 300 to 1. My friends 650 Ti with a FX-6300 (Stock) is just as good if not better than my 3570k (4.5 GHz) and OC'd 7950.

WoW on ultra would eat a 6870.

EDIT: If you took that long of a break and came back to WoW then the 6870 is certainly your issue. WoW has become quite a graphically intensive game, especially after Mists came out



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...
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August 3, 2013 2:55:07 PM

again, with my set up and the radeon card when I first built my computer, I had over 60 fps on high settings. I know this for a fact. (not ultra, high). It is definitely NOT the graphics card. I even bough a new one because I THOUGHT it was, it has the SAME fps problems.
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August 3, 2013 4:18:56 PM

alexxela6 said:
ElMoIsEviL said:
Hmm... curious... could you run this test and post a screenshot of your results?

http://www.hdtune.com/download.html


http://i42.tinypic.com/5ttcoy.jpg

Well your hard drive is behaving in an odd manner. Notice the large ups and downs? The graph looks all over the place.

Seagate drives normally look like this (pay attention to the minimum):


This would explain why formatting did not resolve the issue.
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August 3, 2013 4:23:23 PM

is it possible my hard drive is corrupted? even if I wiped it out?
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August 3, 2013 4:33:23 PM

alexxela6 said:
is it possible my hard drive is corrupted? even if I wiped it out?


This looks like it is trying to transfer at its rated speed and then something fails. Perhaps something within the hard drive itself (like the small head inside that reads the disk plates) or maybe the SATA port is failing. It could also be the cable but that one I doubt very much.

You can rule out a SATA port issue by trying to plug your HDD into other ports and attempting to boot off those SATA ports instead. Re-run HD Tune after. See if the results are the same or improved.

Also swap out the SATA cable just in case. If both those do not cause the issue then it is likely the Hard Drive is the cause and is failing. You may need to replace it.
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August 3, 2013 5:29:15 PM

I'd say I'd go and buy a new hard drive but I'm nervous about spending more money. This could definitely be an issue with FPS problems?
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August 3, 2013 5:31:47 PM

alexxela6 said:
I'd say I'd go and buy a new hard drive but I'm nervous about spending more money. This could definitely be an issue with FPS problems?


With a transfer rate bottoming out at 1.7MB/s I'd certainly say so.
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August 3, 2013 6:05:48 PM

but it def couldn't be the motherboard? like there couldn't be a problem rooting to all the sockets? it's prob the hard drive tho I'm gunna pick one up =)
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August 3, 2013 6:54:25 PM

ElMoIsEviL said:
fatboytyler said:
Do you still have the 650? Use it. In WoW, which is the game I am assuming you're getting those frames on, Nvidia out performs AMD 300 to 1. My friends 650 Ti with a FX-6300 (Stock) is just as good if not better than my 3570k (4.5 GHz) and OC'd 7950.

WoW on ultra would eat a 6870.

EDIT: If you took that long of a break and came back to WoW then the 6870 is certainly your issue. WoW has become quite a graphically intensive game, especially after Mists came out




http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-gef...


Lol that bench is totally incorrect. I sat right where I am today and watched a 650 Ti get over 60 FPS in a 25 man raid with everything to ultra at 1080p. Keep in mind that was a steady FPS with little to no drops.

But back on topic, I certainly agree with ElMoIsEvil fully about the hard drive.


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August 3, 2013 7:24:34 PM

alexxela6 said:
but it def couldn't be the motherboard? like there couldn't be a problem rooting to all the sockets? it's prob the hard drive tho I'm gunna pick one up =)


Sweet let us know how it goes.
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August 4, 2013 1:58:37 AM

I couldn't read the entire post, but did anyone suggest him to check the drive for errors/bad sectors before getting a new one? Or it wouldnt help as well? Just saying ;) 

if the cpu has onboard graphics he could try to get its benchmarks, if they are normal then perhaps the motherboard has a smaller chance to be the issue here
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