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August 1, 2013 12:25:33 AM

Hi. I am a regular gamer who's abseloutely held by my 7650m and i5 mobile laptop. I barely run any game at low for about 40 fps on 1024x768 res. I can handle some pc rig for about 600$ or a tiny bit more, with some stuff that I will basically need:
- at least an i5 processor, since most of my games are much CPU Demanding more than GPU, hopefully a 3rd generation one because I hate lagging.
-Heat and power stuff aren't really considered, since I will be going for a high psu with about 650 or 700w that will totally handle a rig in this price, and I will try to add water cooling( although I would like to get something with about 85c max on load since the water cooling wouldn't be enough then) and if not water cooling yet, a big case with much air space
-a good value-for-performance card. although my budget is so much limited a good performance won't harm.
-hopefully this rig can run most games on medium at 1366x768 at 60fps. 45fps on high is also good, so something In the midrange of 5770 or 6670 or even a gt640 would be good.
- a motherboard that can handle crossfire or SLI, and if available, 3 way. I will with no hesitation upgrade my psu if more power is needed when it comes to the capability of adding a card with future budget allowing so( and if 3-way will bottleneck my processor, an upgrade will be done as well.)
- a HDD, not SSD. and please with 7200rpm or more. size doesn't matter, even 320gb will do. I don't run much games at the same time mostly when i'm done I delete them, but I AM up for recording any my 30mb/s hdd right now isn't that much helpful.
that's pretty much it. i'm sorry if i'm really demanding but I want a really good value-for performance pc that's at least one or two years future-proof. and I don't mind running the whole next gen on low since it runs smoothly, and of course it needed to be upgradeable so please help on this, and no there is no way of expanding my budget, and if you can't help with the build, please answer this: a 5770 or a 7750 when it comes to the value-to-performance? again heat isn't considerable i'm only talking about performance. Thank you for reading this and please answer me quickly, please and thank you.
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August 1, 2013 1:31:14 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
ok so I viewed pcpartpicker and I found this build. I want to know if it's good enough and if you have any suggestions please say it I want to figure out what's the best value-for-performance.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kareem12/saved/24ZZ


Salam Alykom,

Here is your best gaming system :) 

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/250u

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.94 @ Newegg)
Total: $636.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 04:30 EDT-0400)

with GTX 760 !!! and dont worry i3 is more than enough the GPU is more important here .
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August 1, 2013 3:07:42 AM

why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D  any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D 
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August 1, 2013 3:15:05 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D  any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D 


Ramadam Mubarak :) 

here is the Case I chosen for you :) 


good design , 5 fans and LOOKS AWSOMMMMME







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August 1, 2013 3:15:25 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D  any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D 


Ramadam Mubarak :) 

here is the Case I chosen for you :) 


good design , 5 fans and LOOKS AWSOMMMMME







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August 1, 2013 3:30:41 AM

Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?
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August 1, 2013 4:11:49 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?


it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.
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August 1, 2013 6:01:26 AM

SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?


it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.


Believe me, I know how much important is the Motherboard, which is why I selected the UD3 Motherboard from Gigabyte. It has a 8+2 Phase VRM which is really awesome for overclocking. Also who says that 970 is the lowest level board. Hey man.. Believe me, it is not.

It has got better VRM than the board you selected(Better Overclocking). Has more SATA ports and has all the fancy stuff one would ever need(more upgradibility) and it can overclock like a beast. So you are extremely wrong about my motherboard selection.

Believe me I know exactly how important is a motherboard which is why I spent extra for the motherboard otherwise I could have picked a 50-60 dollars motherboard but I did not. Please correct your facts before posting about something

Also since you talked about the Motherboard. Can you please tell me that what is so bad in that motherboard that I selected that you did not like. Tell me at least one thing. I really want to know what do you consider as good and what you don't
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August 1, 2013 6:14:17 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?


it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.


Believe me, I know how much important is the Motherboard, which is why I selected the UD3 Motherboard from Gigabyte. It has a 8+2 Phase VRM which is really awesome for overclocking. Also who says that 970 is the lowest level board. Hey man.. Believe me, it is not.

It has got better VRM than the board you selected(Better Overclocking). Has more SATA ports and has all the fancy stuff one would ever need(more upgradibility) and it can overclock like a beast. So you are extremely wrong about my motherboard selection.

Believe me I know exactly how important is a motherboard which is why I spent extra for the motherboard otherwise I could have picked a 50-60 dollars motherboard but I did not. Please correct your facts before posting about something

Also since you talked about the Motherboard. Can you please tell me that what is so bad in that motherboard that I selected that you did not like. Tell me at least one thing. I really want to know what do you consider as good and what you don't


:)  I am not here to Argue

Cheap is not better .. and i3 is very good for gaming , and Intel platform is alot better .. PCI express 3.0 and Trim Support in SSD raid is enough to trash all AMD in the garbage ..

I am giving him a full PC , you are giving him only a gaming PC.
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August 1, 2013 6:17:48 AM

why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D  any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D 
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August 1, 2013 6:23:18 AM

oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
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August 1, 2013 6:23:28 AM

oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
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August 1, 2013 6:23:32 AM

oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
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August 1, 2013 6:29:41 AM

oh and thank you for the case, wonderful!
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August 1, 2013 6:45:42 AM

SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?


it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.


Believe me, I know how much important is the Motherboard, which is why I selected the UD3 Motherboard from Gigabyte. It has a 8+2 Phase VRM which is really awesome for overclocking. Also who says that 970 is the lowest level board. Hey man.. Believe me, it is not.

It has got better VRM than the board you selected(Better Overclocking). Has more SATA ports and has all the fancy stuff one would ever need(more upgradibility) and it can overclock like a beast. So you are extremely wrong about my motherboard selection.

Believe me I know exactly how important is a motherboard which is why I spent extra for the motherboard otherwise I could have picked a 50-60 dollars motherboard but I did not. Please correct your facts before posting about something

Also since you talked about the Motherboard. Can you please tell me that what is so bad in that motherboard that I selected that you did not like. Tell me at least one thing. I really want to know what do you consider as good and what you don't


:)  I am not here to Argue

Cheap is not better .. and i3 is very good for gaming , and Intel platform is alot better .. PCI express 3.0 and Trim Support in SSD raid is enough to trash all AMD in the garbage ..

I am giving him a full PC , you are giving him only a gaming PC.


I am sorry to say that but I sense an Intel Fanboy here. Also you did not said anything about the motherboard now. Looks like you understood that I am not a noob when it comes to motherboards. haha!!

Anywhere here are the benchmarks :





As you can clearly see the Multi Threaded performance is better on the AMD FX 6300 which would ensure that the future games would run awesome. Also the difference between the Single Threaded Performance can be easily be made equal by overclocking the CPU a bit which would result in even better Multi Threaded Performance.

And since future games are certain to be optimized for more than one threads hence the performance on the future games would be even more awesome which is why I recommended this processor

Also, please tell me what is wrong with the motherboard I selected. I really want to know that on what basis did you concluded that. I am still eager to know that thing. :D 
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August 1, 2013 6:48:09 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?


it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.


Believe me, I know how much important is the Motherboard, which is why I selected the UD3 Motherboard from Gigabyte. It has a 8+2 Phase VRM which is really awesome for overclocking. Also who says that 970 is the lowest level board. Hey man.. Believe me, it is not.

It has got better VRM than the board you selected(Better Overclocking). Has more SATA ports and has all the fancy stuff one would ever need(more upgradibility) and it can overclock like a beast. So you are extremely wrong about my motherboard selection.

Believe me I know exactly how important is a motherboard which is why I spent extra for the motherboard otherwise I could have picked a 50-60 dollars motherboard but I did not. Please correct your facts before posting about something

Also since you talked about the Motherboard. Can you please tell me that what is so bad in that motherboard that I selected that you did not like. Tell me at least one thing. I really want to know what do you consider as good and what you don't


:)  I am not here to Argue

Cheap is not better .. and i3 is very good for gaming , and Intel platform is alot better .. PCI express 3.0 and Trim Support in SSD raid is enough to trash all AMD in the garbage ..

I am giving him a full PC , you are giving him only a gaming PC.


I am sorry to say that but I sense an Intel Fanboy here. Also you did not said anything about the motherboard now. Looks like you understood that I am not a noob when it comes to motherboards. haha!!

Anywhere here are the benchmarks :



As you can clearly see the Multi Threaded performance is better on the AMD FX 6300 which would ensure that the future games would run awesome. Also the difference between the Single Threaded Performance can be easily be made equal by overclocking the CPU a bit which would result in even better Multi Threaded Performance.

And since future games are certain to be optimized for more than one threads hence the performance on the future games would be even more awesome which is why I recommended this processor

Also, please tell me what is wrong with the motherboard I selected. I really want to know that on what basis did you concluded that. I am still eager to know that thing. :D 


I dont care .. show me PCI express 3.0 , show me FAST Sata 3 with Trim Support , show me BETTER onboard sound , show me Better LAN , your graphs are just graphs they are very close.. BUT the motherboard and chipset of Intel blows AMD chipset out into pieces.

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August 1, 2013 6:57:58 AM

Sangeet FX-6300 is good but hyperthreading as I've heard of, and experienced, doesn't go well with gaming. it's good, but with some games it creates stuttering. and for the gtx 760 I definitely know how better it is and how PhysX rules, but it cuts down fps even though a lil bit It does, and I said I wold go for the 7870 only because I needed an i5. of course the 760 is better it rules, thanks for that but I think that I would go for an i5, because an i3 would bottleneck me in a year later or so, some games even require quadcore from now lke battlefield 3 so imagine games like ghosts and bf4! and If I will get a future upgrade, will be mostly a xfire or a SSD since I would require better gaming performance, oh and another passing by question: is Xeon OK for gaming? I mean it's almost the same price as i5 and I heard it's good for multitasking and using programs like after effects, and I would abseloutely love to do that so will It do also for that?
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August 1, 2013 7:00:01 AM

The Intel board has 2 SATA 3 ports whereas the AMD board has 6, both have USB3 ports and there is really no use of PCI Express 3 right now. I mean even the Titan runs fine on a PCI Express 2.0 slot so why the hell do you need a PCI Express 3.0 Slot?

And please don't be one sided towards AMD or Intel. Both are good at certain price points. And please the Intel boards are known to reserve the best things for only the high end boards which costs more than 150 dollars, wheras with AMD you can get 6 SATA Ports for as low as 60 dollars, so you are arguing on the wrong thing.

At the end of the day it is the performance which matters more. All the fancy features aside, the CPU is a very good CPU and there is nothing wrong with the Motherboard, also it is a very good overclocker, which is a big plus with the FX 6300.

Also 8GB RAM is the sweet spot for a gaming PC. Anything less than that is like way too less for a gaming rig with such a good CPU and GPU.

And yeah.. I would have a nice day. Not a problem.. :D 
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August 1, 2013 7:03:09 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
Sangeet FX-6300 is good but hyperthreading as I've heard of, and experienced, doesn't go well with gaming. it's good, but with some games it creates stuttering. and for the gtx 760 I definitely know how better it is and how PhysX rules, but it cuts down fps even though a lil bit It does, and I said I wold go for the 7870 only because I needed an i5. of course the 760 is better it rules, thanks for that but I think that I would go for an i5, because an i3 would bottleneck me in a year later or so, some games even require quadcore from now lke battlefield 3 so imagine games like ghosts and bf4! and If I will get a future upgrade, will be mostly a xfire or a SSD since I would require better gaming performance, oh and another passing by question: is Xeon OK for gaming? I mean it's almost the same price as i5 and I heard it's good for multitasking and using programs like after effects, and I would abseloutely love to do that so will It do also for that?


If you can go for an i5, then you should definitely do that, because the i5 is much better than the AMD 6300 and if you can get it, then surely get it.

But then you would have to put a bad GPU which is not good for gaming. You should probably go for the FX 6300 as it has 6 real cores and it would not bottleneck the 760 at all. So this should be the one you should go for the best gaming performance.

I hope this helps.
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August 1, 2013 7:11:16 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
The Intel board has 2 SATA 3 ports whereas the AMD board has 6, both have USB3 ports and there is really no use of PCI Express 3 right now. I mean even the Titan runs fine on a PCI Express 2.0 slot so why the hell do you need a PCI Express 3.0 Slot?

And please don't be one sided towards AMD or Intel. Both are good at certain price points. And please the Intel boards are known to reserve the best things for only the high end boards which costs more than 150 dollars, wheras with AMD you can get 6 SATA Ports for as low as 60 dollars, so you are arguing on the wrong thing.

At the end of the day it is the performance which matters more. All the fancy features aside, the CPU is a very good CPU and there is nothing wrong with the Motherboard, also it is a very good overclocker, which is a big plus with the FX 6300.

Also 8GB RAM is the sweet spot for a gaming PC. Anything less than that is like way too less for a gaming rig with such a good CPU and GPU.

And yeah.. I would have a nice day. Not a problem.. :D 


does not matter ... your CPU wont give anything noticeable in gaming

Plu tell me wise guy

My mobo CAN SLI , he can add another 760 in the future and FLY over your AMD doubling the FPS

can your LOW 970 SLI ?

NO it cant.

he can add i5 anythime he wants , and add SLI , and enjoy a better system .

your system is the system STUCK

no SLI , and dead as soon as he gets an i5 "K" and overclocks when he has more money and sell his cpu in ebay or so.

had you offered 990FX mobo I would respected your opinion, but you are a NOVICE.
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August 1, 2013 7:13:39 AM

Sangeet yes it has helped a lot so I will definitely get an i5 now and let go of the gtx 760, and as I've read comparisons now the 7870 ghx edition is about 60$ cheaper and completely neck to next with the 760, cheaper but better for value, classic AMD :D 
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August 1, 2013 7:16:15 AM

and SNA if your mobo can SLI or Crossfire, i'm in love *^* and some games require quadcore so if I get a 760 and can max either I will lag terribly or I will abseloutely be bottlenecked, thanks for the help about the motherboard though since it can support crossfire it is a beast for its price! and Sangeet I will get the corsair psu, wow this rig will be awesome for the price! :D DDDDDDDDDDDDD
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August 1, 2013 7:17:52 AM

SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
The Intel board has 2 SATA 3 ports whereas the AMD board has 6, both have USB3 ports and there is really no use of PCI Express 3 right now. I mean even the Titan runs fine on a PCI Express 2.0 slot so why the hell do you need a PCI Express 3.0 Slot?

And please don't be one sided towards AMD or Intel. Both are good at certain price points. And please the Intel boards are known to reserve the best things for only the high end boards which costs more than 150 dollars, wheras with AMD you can get 6 SATA Ports for as low as 60 dollars, so you are arguing on the wrong thing.

At the end of the day it is the performance which matters more. All the fancy features aside, the CPU is a very good CPU and there is nothing wrong with the Motherboard, also it is a very good overclocker, which is a big plus with the FX 6300.

Also 8GB RAM is the sweet spot for a gaming PC. Anything less than that is like way too less for a gaming rig with such a good CPU and GPU.

And yeah.. I would have a nice day. Not a problem.. :D 


does not matter ... your CPU wont give anything noticeable in gaming

Plu tell me wise guy

My mobo CAN SLI , he can add another 760 in the future and FLY over your AMD doubling the FPS

can your LOW 970 SLI ?

NO it cant.

he can add i5 anythime he wants , and add SLI , and enjoy a better system .

your system is the system STUCK

no SLI , and dead as soon as he gets an i5 "K" and overclocks when he has more money and sell his cpu in ebay or so.

had you offered 990FX mobo I would respected your opinion, but you are a NOVICE.


Yes, I am aware that the AMD motherboard I selected cannot do SLI, but that was because the OP never mentioned anything about doing SLI or anything like that.

If he wants to do SLI, then the 990FX Version of this motherboard goes for like 30 dollars more which should be fine for him if he wants to overclock.

Good luck trying to make me burst into anger by saying words like NOVICE and all. But really it does not matter to me. I know that the build I suggested is very capable one and I would stick to what I said earlier.

If he wants to SLI, then he can go for the 990FX Version for like 20 dollars more. So it is not a problem (if he wants to SLI)
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August 1, 2013 7:19:32 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
Sangeet yes it has helped a lot so I will definitely get an i5 now and let go of the gtx 760, and as I've read comparisons now the 7870 ghx edition is about 60$ cheaper and completely neck to next with the 760, cheaper but better for value, classic AMD :D 



Big Mistake Kareem ... GTX 760 has physX , have you seen the youtube movies I posted about physX ?

you wont notice the differenc ein gaming between i3 and i5 ... if you have to , pay 50$ more and get i5 but dont ignore GTX 760

Salam Alykom
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August 1, 2013 7:20:04 AM

Anyways can you post the final specs of the build you are going for? We might review that what are you finally going for after all these discussions.
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August 1, 2013 7:40:00 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
SNA3 said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
The Intel board has 2 SATA 3 ports whereas the AMD board has 6, both have USB3 ports and there is really no use of PCI Express 3 right now. I mean even the Titan runs fine on a PCI Express 2.0 slot so why the hell do you need a PCI Express 3.0 Slot?

And please don't be one sided towards AMD or Intel. Both are good at certain price points. And please the Intel boards are known to reserve the best things for only the high end boards which costs more than 150 dollars, wheras with AMD you can get 6 SATA Ports for as low as 60 dollars, so you are arguing on the wrong thing.

At the end of the day it is the performance which matters more. All the fancy features aside, the CPU is a very good CPU and there is nothing wrong with the Motherboard, also it is a very good overclocker, which is a big plus with the FX 6300.

Also 8GB RAM is the sweet spot for a gaming PC. Anything less than that is like way too less for a gaming rig with such a good CPU and GPU.

And yeah.. I would have a nice day. Not a problem.. :D 


does not matter ... your CPU wont give anything noticeable in gaming

Plu tell me wise guy

My mobo CAN SLI , he can add another 760 in the future and FLY over your AMD doubling the FPS

can your LOW 970 SLI ?

NO it cant.

he can add i5 anythime he wants , and add SLI , and enjoy a better system .

your system is the system STUCK

no SLI , and dead as soon as he gets an i5 "K" and overclocks when he has more money and sell his cpu in ebay or so.

had you offered 990FX mobo I would respected your opinion, but you are a NOVICE.


Yes, I am aware that the AMD motherboard I selected cannot do SLI, but that was because the OP never mentioned anything about doing SLI or anything like that.

If he wants to do SLI, then the 990FX Version of this motherboard goes for like 30 dollars more which should be fine for him if he wants to overclock.

Good luck trying to make me burst into anger by saying words like NOVICE and all. But really it does not matter to me. I know that the build I suggested is very capable one and I would stick to what I said earlier.

If he wants to SLI, then he can go for the 990FX Version for like 20 dollars more. So it is not a problem (if he wants to SLI)


does not matter , you gave a bad mobo ... and being 20 dollars more is against you. you want to win price not to give the best.. every thing you say is against you. and it is more than 20$ and with it you cant add 8G ram within the budget as well.

you just want to win in a forum , you dont care he gets the best..

and you chosen an ugly 20 $ case as well

STOP !
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August 1, 2013 7:48:00 AM

ok here it goes:
Intel Core i5-3330 3ghz
MSI Z77MA
Corsair Venegance 8GB
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1tb 7200 RPM
AMD Radeon 7870 Ghz Edition 2gb GDDR5
Corsair Builder 600w( might even try to push for 700w so I can xfire some time later, and sangeet sorry for not saying I need xfire support for the future earlier)
Case: either the Zalman Z11 or the Bitfenix Prodigy since the mobo you talked about was micro Atx
Any Cheap optical drive will do.
now, any expected benchmarks for games like bf3? I will get a 1366x768 resolution screen to get better framerates. also If possible any crisis 2 or 3 expectations on ultra as well.
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August 1, 2013 7:49:09 AM

crisis* typo problem XD
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August 1, 2013 7:49:44 AM

crysis* found out it is autocorrect XD
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August 1, 2013 7:52:39 AM

Blah.. Blah... I don't care if it matter now since he is going for the i5 anyways (anyways 20 dollars is no big deal and nothing I say is against me.. LOL). Funny that how much angry you guys get. Now come and beat me up (if you can!! LOL!! HAHA!!)

Anyways, saying a case as Ugly is subjective. In my opinion. there is nothing wrong with the case. It looks beautiful (at least for me), it has good cooling, it has lot of space. So it is not a problem for me.

Also what do you mean that it is only 20 dollars? I mean who said that things that are priced low are bad? No! It isn't. This case is a very good case for the price and should do for most of the guys needs.

Anyways I do not find the case to be ugly at all. It is a good design which I like




According to me, the case looks just fine.
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August 1, 2013 7:53:00 AM

oh and I will go with the zalman, cheaper and I just realized mini atx is smaller than micro and can't handle xfire.
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August 1, 2013 7:54:53 AM

Sangeet the case is fine, but just fine. it is good looking but it is simple as well. I want a unique one that looks way stylish, and you're right, it is a good value for its efficiency but I would go for a better looking one, I wouldn't like my build a lot for it.
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August 1, 2013 7:56:18 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
ok here it goes:
Intel Core i5-3330 3ghz
MSI Z77MA
Corsair Venegance 8GB
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1tb 7200 RPM
AMD Radeon 7870 Ghz Edition 2gb GDDR5
Corsair Builder 600w( might even try to push for 700w so I can xfire some time later, and sangeet sorry for not saying I need xfire support for the future earlier)
Case: either the Zalman Z11 or the Bitfenix Prodigy since the mobo you talked about was micro Atx
Any Cheap optical drive will do.
now, any expected benchmarks for games like bf3? I will get a 1366x768 resolution screen to get better framerates. also If possible any crisis 2 or 3 expectations on ultra as well.


Looks fine to me. Change that CPU to 3350p. It is just like 5 dollars more and it just a little more powerful.

Anyways if you can, then go for the 3470. It is also a good CPU. It is not that much extra money.

Otherwise the build looks awesome to me. A very good build Indeed.
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August 1, 2013 7:59:37 AM

Thanks. I will consider having the 3470, looks much more powerful. also SNA if you know about the Z11? is it that spacious? I am looking forward to OCing in the future and adding custom water cooling(don't worry it's in the far future and I've read enough instructions to know what's needed) it needs to have a good space.
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August 1, 2013 8:02:48 AM

haha what an all out intel vs amd war ... the problem with this war is that both sides have pros and cons.. if i have one bit of advice for Kareem, it is

Do no jump so quickly at the very first thing suggested to you, getting a new build is exciting... you may have clouded judgement haha, take your time, you now have two builds to compare,and there are many more possible combinations, do some research, watch some benchmark videos.

go. be free. and game your heart out :) 
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August 1, 2013 8:14:05 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
Sangeet the case is fine, but just fine. it is good looking but it is simple as well. I want a unique one that looks way stylish, and you're right, it is a good value for its efficiency but I would go for a better looking one, I wouldn't like my build a lot for it.


Anyways, if you are looking for stylish cases. You should take a look at it. I mean it looks very stylish to me.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-case-vn400a1w2...

If you want something that performs well for cooling, then you should have a look at this case from Bitfenix. Not the best looking one, but has awesome cooling performance:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-bfcmrc100kkx...

Anyways, can you tell me how much money do you have for spending on the Case? I mean there are a lot cases to choose from. Can you tell me how much can you spend for the case alone.
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August 1, 2013 1:20:40 PM

well,since my budget isn't that much, 50$ or less, so I will need to have the best I can have.
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August 1, 2013 1:33:35 PM

oh one last thingy is the templarium telum a good case? ive seen it and it's quite stylish and spaceful so I need to know if it has airspace.
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August 1, 2013 2:05:06 PM

Liam thanks for the advice, it's ok I've asked a lot of people about those rigs and about my modded version of their blend, and I think it'll do fine. tell me what's YOUR opinion about It :D 
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August 1, 2013 2:16:55 PM

ok my new build for 654$, like it?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kareem12/saved/24ZZ


CPU Intel Core i5-3330 3.0GHz Quad-Core ..........................................$165.52
CPU Cooler Antec KUHLER Flow ...................................................................$30.69
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 .........................$72.99
Storage Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM..................................$54.95
Video Card HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB ..........................................................$159.99
Network Adapter Asus NX1101 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI ...........................................$12.99
Power Supply Corsair 600W ATX12V .................................................................$74.99







Thoughts? I replaced the 7870 for a 7850 because of the budget limit :/ 
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August 1, 2013 5:44:47 PM

Kareem Ayman said:
ok my new build for 654$, like it?
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kareem12/saved/24ZZ


CPU Intel Core i5-3330 3.0GHz Quad-Core ..........................................$165.52
CPU Cooler Antec KUHLER Flow ...................................................................$30.69
Memory Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 .........................$72.99
Storage Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM..................................$54.95
Video Card HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB ..........................................................$159.99
Network Adapter Asus NX1101 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI ...........................................$12.99
Power Supply Corsair 600W ATX12V .................................................................$74.99







Thoughts? I replaced the 7870 for a 7850 because of the budget limit :/ 


Kareem Listen to me carefully , first, the motherboard has 4 places for memory , you dont loose good graphic card for memory , 4G is enough for games , and you can ADD memory later when you have more money , but you cant get a good Graphic card you will be stuck with it.

and you dont need cpu cooler as well , If you dont overclock the stock cooler is enough ...

and why do you need that lan card ? the mother board has Lan card ...

if you choose 7850 over GTX 760 you will regret it .

you are paying 70$ for power supply , and I gave you 24 $ BRONZ rated (same as yours) power for 24$ from EVGA , it is discounted and the same Quality.

Dont let that guy play with your mind. he is here to make trouble and show up , Last time he laughed at an old man here and Acted arrogant at him and said to him "I will sit down here and laugh at you"

I teached him lesson in Manners and told him to respect himself . and thats why he is doing this. he is taking it personal.

have a nice day .

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August 1, 2013 8:38:30 PM

Kareem Ayman said:
Liam thanks for the advice, it's ok I've asked a lot of people about those rigs and about my modded version of their blend, and I think it'll do fine. tell me what's YOUR opinion about It :D 


my opionion is .. that intel is definitely a good choice, but its expensive, and it its better to get intel if you have a much looser budget, if you are trying to get the best possible machine packed into a tight budget, amd is the better choice

personally in the past many years, we always had intel computers (but they were store bought by my parents, for no real reason) but i am looking at my first build at the moment. and i chose amd :) 

however i have done lots of research over the past few weeks and really ...there is such a TINY difference when it comes to gaming on intel vs amd

some games are better on intel
and some are better on amd

but both systems will play new games at playable frame rates

it really depends on what other things you decide to do outside of gaming too.. i mean really at the end of the day, if your just going to be gaming.. then both machines are equally as good

just my opinion tho... im sure theres many who would disagree.. but personally i am not biased towrads either brand. they both work just fine
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August 1, 2013 8:50:48 PM

under that budget .. my build would be this

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ScoobySnax/saved/25mD

its a little more expensive $756.91, but i think it will last you for a few years and the future upgrade options are plenty

you could aslo remove the ssd to bring the price down by $70
and you could drop the cpu wattage to save more, but 750w will give you crossfire option later if want

i didnt add a case or cooler because it depends if you want to water cool or air cool ... but if you are not planing to overclock anytime soon then the stock cpu cooler will work fine until you do
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August 2, 2013 10:02:28 AM

so many good advices XD. so now I have like 80$ more to push up,great! I will go for a 7870 now, 2gb ghz edition, and for the regret thing, it's ok, a 7870 can run ultra on 1080p at battlefield 3 on about 55fps as I've seen the benchmarks, and as I've heard as well that the 7870 equals 660, which has about 5% performance difference than the 760.apart from the bottleneck that would have happened if I used i3, with the budget limit....so getting a 7850 was somehow reasonable, I was going to get 7750 actually at the start and It would have easily ran battlefield ultra on 1366x768 on 60fps(the main game i'm playing,hopefully bf4 as well with my rig...) also battlefield is more AMD optimized,it runs good on both, but about 10% better for amd I think..... besides i'm getting only 1366x768 and will get a crossfire capable mobo with a psu that's tough enough for it, so in about 2 or 3 years I might add another 7870 or remove it for another one with the same price but better gen. I've suffered through the 4gb ram it's good really good for gaming but not that helpful on multi-tasking which I will be using the pc for besides gaming,same thing applies on AMD. AMD is abseloutely meant for gaming specially the processor, and i'm actually planning for game developing very very soon so the intel will be helpful over time, and yes i'm intending to make custom water cooling so please tell me about the right case, and don't worry I've read and seen enough to know and test my cooler without hurting my pc even a little bit. another question is that: what is the overclocking limit of the 3330 3ghz and will the crossfire give me double the performance? I heard that 7xxx is pretty damn close.
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August 2, 2013 10:12:51 AM

ok a new build and now please can you help me find a spacious case that's good for water cooling?
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August 2, 2013 10:15:06 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
so many good advices XD. so now I have like 80$ more to push up,great! I will go for a 7870 now, 2gb ghz edition, and for the regret thing, it's ok, a 7870 can run ultra on 1080p at battlefield 3 on about 55fps as I've seen the benchmarks, and as I've heard as well that the 7870 equals 660, which has about 5% performance difference than the 760.apart from the bottleneck that would have happened if I used i3, with the budget limit....so getting a 7850 was somehow reasonable, I was going to get 7750 actually at the start and It would have easily ran battlefield ultra on 1366x768 on 60fps(the main game i'm playing,hopefully bf4 as well with my rig...) also battlefield is more AMD optimized,it runs good on both, but about 10% better for amd I think..... besides i'm getting only 1366x768 and will get a crossfire capable mobo with a psu that's tough enough for it, so in about 2 or 3 years I might add another 7870 or remove it for another one with the same price but better gen. I've suffered through the 4gb ram it's good really good for gaming but not that helpful on multi-tasking which I will be using the pc for besides gaming,same thing applies on AMD. AMD is abseloutely meant for gaming specially the processor, and i'm actually planning for game developing very very soon so the intel will be helpful over time, and yes i'm intending to make custom water cooling so please tell me about the right case, and don't worry I've read and seen enough to know and test my cooler without hurting my pc even a little bit. another question is that: what is the overclocking limit of the 3330 3ghz and will the crossfire give me double the performance? I heard that 7xxx is pretty damn close.


and AMD does not have PhysX ...

get nvidia you dont know what you are missing ..

here PLaystation 4 has PhysX .. all the games will have it

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/08/ps4-nvidia-pledges-phys...

you will not have this if you dont get nvidia .

and take a look here to see the difference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ZHfJRrFLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD-KDwq3qeM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE_lnS7TfDI

if you want i5 , pay 50$ more but dont loost the GTX 760
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August 2, 2013 10:16:14 AM

Kareem Ayman said:
ok a new build and now please can you help me find a spacious case that's good for water cooling?


water cooling and you cant pay for i5 with GTX 760 ???!!??
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