Looking for a budget build, 600~650$, please help.( Screen and mouse etc. outside of the equation.

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Hi. I am a regular gamer who's abseloutely held by my 7650m and i5 mobile laptop. I barely run any game at low for about 40 fps on 1024x768 res. I can handle some pc rig for about 600$ or a tiny bit more, with some stuff that I will basically need:
- at least an i5 processor, since most of my games are much CPU Demanding more than GPU, hopefully a 3rd generation one because I hate lagging.
-Heat and power stuff aren't really considered, since I will be going for a high psu with about 650 or 700w that will totally handle a rig in this price, and I will try to add water cooling( although I would like to get something with about 85c max on load since the water cooling wouldn't be enough then) and if not water cooling yet, a big case with much air space
-a good value-for-performance card. although my budget is so much limited a good performance won't harm.
-hopefully this rig can run most games on medium at 1366x768 at 60fps. 45fps on high is also good, so something In the midrange of 5770 or 6670 or even a gt640 would be good.
- a motherboard that can handle crossfire or SLI, and if available, 3 way. I will with no hesitation upgrade my psu if more power is needed when it comes to the capability of adding a card with future budget allowing so( and if 3-way will bottleneck my processor, an upgrade will be done as well.)
- a HDD, not SSD. and please with 7200rpm or more. size doesn't matter, even 320gb will do. I don't run much games at the same time mostly when i'm done I delete them, but I AM up for recording any my 30mb/s hdd right now isn't that much helpful.
that's pretty much it. i'm sorry if i'm really demanding but I want a really good value-for performance pc that's at least one or two years future-proof. and I don't mind running the whole next gen on low since it runs smoothly, and of course it needed to be upgradeable so please help on this, and no there is no way of expanding my budget, and if you can't help with the build, please answer this: a 5770 or a 7750 when it comes to the value-to-performance? again heat isn't considerable i'm only talking about performance. Thank you for reading this and please answer me quickly, please and thank you.
 
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Salam Alykom,

Here is your best gaming system :)

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/250u

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar...
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Salam Alykom,

Here is your best gaming system :)

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/sna/saved/250u

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z77MA-G45 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z11 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.94 @ Newegg)
Total: $636.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 04:30 EDT-0400)

with GTX 760 !!! and dont worry i3 is more than enough the GPU is more important here .
 
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why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D
 
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Ramadam Mubarak :)

here is the Case I chosen for you :)


good design , 5 fans and LOOKS AWSOMMMMME

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Ramadam Mubarak :)

here is the Case I chosen for you :)


good design , 5 fans and LOOKS AWSOMMMMME

zalman-z11-plus.jpg


zalman_z11_plus_contentfullwidth.jpg


CA-043-ZA_54634_350.jpg


2F7FA7FCFDE44C099AA3E8859DD37628.jpg
 
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Sangeet Khatri

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Oh! Please are you going with that build which is so much unbalanced :

1. It has i3 which is dual core (i know with hyperthreading) which is not that good for future games. For same price the AMD FX 6300 is better
2. 4GB RAM? I mean why only 4GB RAM For gaming, that is not good?
3. PSU is not the best one, the Corsair ones are better for just a little more.

This is the build that you should probably go for. It is a beast which can be further overclocked for even better performance. Surely get this one instead of the i3

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $652.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-01 06:27 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps. Is there any other way in which I can help you?
 
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it is enough for him , and in any time in the future he can go up to i7 K with the Z mother board.

you even picked a 970 low level chipset for him and avoided 990fx ...

a PC is not about CPU alone learn to look at the mother board.

and next time say your recommendation without Attacking other people posts,.
 
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Believe me, I know how much important is the Motherboard, which is why I selected the UD3 Motherboard from Gigabyte. It has a 8+2 Phase VRM which is really awesome for overclocking. Also who says that 970 is the lowest level board. Hey man.. Believe me, it is not.

It has got better VRM than the board you selected(Better Overclocking). Has more SATA ports and has all the fancy stuff one would ever need(more upgradibility) and it can overclock like a beast. So you are extremely wrong about my motherboard selection.

Believe me I know exactly how important is a motherboard which is why I spent extra for the motherboard otherwise I could have picked a 50-60 dollars motherboard but I did not. Please correct your facts before posting about something

Also since you talked about the Motherboard. Can you please tell me that what is so bad in that motherboard that I selected that you did not like. Tell me at least one thing. I really want to know what do you consider as good and what you don't
 
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:) I am not here to Argue

Cheap is not better .. and i3 is very good for gaming , and Intel platform is alot better .. PCI express 3.0 and Trim Support in SSD raid is enough to trash all AMD in the garbage ..

I am giving him a full PC , you are giving him only a gaming PC.
 
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why thank you for that amazing build. I might actually go for like a 7850 and push up to a 4th gen i3 or a 2nd gen i5 or something.amazing build for the money I was actually hoping for a 7750 or something but on seeing the gtx 760, I felt pretty relieved. the reason I might actually change the card is that a 660 here is about 300$ so a 760 would be much more. the AMD on the other side is much closer to the actual price on newegg. aside that I tweak some stuff and the graphics card makes up for the good processor so as I said earlier a good processor needed so my favorite is something like, entry level graphics card and a middle class processor, you gave me both middle so now I can get a little 5-6fps difference another middle class gpu and a high-end processor. thanks a lot you have amazingly helped me and alaykom alsalam :D any other suggestions will be welcomed from other repliers thanks :D
 
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oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
 
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oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
 
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oh and guys, both builds are great, but as I heard even when amd and intel were meant to face eachother even in the price, intel comes out winning, ALWAYS. AMD is great but I had y experiences with i3 MOBILE. it could run games with 60fps on high. it's amazing. I actually can't notice a difference so far between my i5 mobile laptop that I have now and my old one, it does the job. although, it is true that it isn't future-proof, so as I already said before I might get a 7870 instead of a gtx 760 and go for i5 instead, but any other thing is just amazing, I was going for a 500gb hdd WD but this is much better.thanks!
 
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I am sorry to say that but I sense an Intel Fanboy here. Also you did not said anything about the motherboard now. Looks like you understood that I am not a noob when it comes to motherboards. haha!!

Anywhere here are the benchmarks :

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As you can clearly see the Multi Threaded performance is better on the AMD FX 6300 which would ensure that the future games would run awesome. Also the difference between the Single Threaded Performance can be easily be made equal by overclocking the CPU a bit which would result in even better Multi Threaded Performance.

And since future games are certain to be optimized for more than one threads hence the performance on the future games would be even more awesome which is why I recommended this processor

Also, please tell me what is wrong with the motherboard I selected. I really want to know that on what basis did you concluded that. I am still eager to know that thing. :D
 
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I dont care .. show me PCI express 3.0 , show me FAST Sata 3 with Trim Support , show me BETTER onboard sound , show me Better LAN , your graphs are just graphs they are very close.. BUT the motherboard and chipset of Intel blows AMD chipset out into pieces.

have a nice day
 
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Sangeet FX-6300 is good but hyperthreading as I've heard of, and experienced, doesn't go well with gaming. it's good, but with some games it creates stuttering. and for the gtx 760 I definitely know how better it is and how PhysX rules, but it cuts down fps even though a lil bit It does, and I said I wold go for the 7870 only because I needed an i5. of course the 760 is better it rules, thanks for that but I think that I would go for an i5, because an i3 would bottleneck me in a year later or so, some games even require quadcore from now lke battlefield 3 so imagine games like ghosts and bf4! and If I will get a future upgrade, will be mostly a xfire or a SSD since I would require better gaming performance, oh and another passing by question: is Xeon OK for gaming? I mean it's almost the same price as i5 and I heard it's good for multitasking and using programs like after effects, and I would abseloutely love to do that so will It do also for that?
 
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The Intel board has 2 SATA 3 ports whereas the AMD board has 6, both have USB3 ports and there is really no use of PCI Express 3 right now. I mean even the Titan runs fine on a PCI Express 2.0 slot so why the hell do you need a PCI Express 3.0 Slot?

And please don't be one sided towards AMD or Intel. Both are good at certain price points. And please the Intel boards are known to reserve the best things for only the high end boards which costs more than 150 dollars, wheras with AMD you can get 6 SATA Ports for as low as 60 dollars, so you are arguing on the wrong thing.

At the end of the day it is the performance which matters more. All the fancy features aside, the CPU is a very good CPU and there is nothing wrong with the Motherboard, also it is a very good overclocker, which is a big plus with the FX 6300.

Also 8GB RAM is the sweet spot for a gaming PC. Anything less than that is like way too less for a gaming rig with such a good CPU and GPU.

And yeah.. I would have a nice day. Not a problem.. :D
 
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If you can go for an i5, then you should definitely do that, because the i5 is much better than the AMD 6300 and if you can get it, then surely get it.

But then you would have to put a bad GPU which is not good for gaming. You should probably go for the FX 6300 as it has 6 real cores and it would not bottleneck the 760 at all. So this should be the one you should go for the best gaming performance.

I hope this helps.
 
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does not matter ... your CPU wont give anything noticeable in gaming

Plu tell me wise guy

My mobo CAN SLI , he can add another 760 in the future and FLY over your AMD doubling the FPS

can your LOW 970 SLI ?

NO it cant.

he can add i5 anythime he wants , and add SLI , and enjoy a better system .

your system is the system STUCK

no SLI , and dead as soon as he gets an i5 "K" and overclocks when he has more money and sell his cpu in ebay or so.

had you offered 990FX mobo I would respected your opinion, but you are a NOVICE.
 
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Sangeet yes it has helped a lot so I will definitely get an i5 now and let go of the gtx 760, and as I've read comparisons now the 7870 ghx edition is about 60$ cheaper and completely neck to next with the 760, cheaper but better for value, classic AMD :D
 
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and SNA if your mobo can SLI or Crossfire, i'm in love *^* and some games require quadcore so if I get a 760 and can max either I will lag terribly or I will abseloutely be bottlenecked, thanks for the help about the motherboard though since it can support crossfire it is a beast for its price! and Sangeet I will get the corsair psu, wow this rig will be awesome for the price! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 
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