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Hello,

Im intend to assemble a new machine and I have decided only for the Mobo e the processor.

Motherboard: Asus P8H77-V LE LGA1155 HDMI DVI-D USB 3.0 SATA 6 P8H77-V LE

processor: Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770

A lot of different opinions emerge from these foruns. I was going to buy a Quadro but after a lot of reading, I am really doubtful. A lot of people say its a waste of money. Im going to use mainly the Adobe Premiere, Photoshop and AE ... but mostly Premiere. A lot of people said the best buy would be a Geforce.

If anyone could explani to me, what does the Quadro series offer me in return for all that extra cash Ill expend buying one of those GPUs. And, if that isnt the best buy, which card should I get? I didnt wuant to expend more than $400, but if there is a cheaper and good GPU, please tell me!

Thanks!

 
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The 1230v3 is similar to the 4770, the v2 is similar to the 3770. Different architectures and sockets. The b85 mobo is socket 1150, which is compatible with the 1230v3, the h77 is 1155 which is not compatible. I wouldn't suggest either because asus doesn't list the e3 on their cpu support list which is why I suggested the asrock b85 pro4. No modern mobo will have igpu, it's always on the cpu. The 1230v3 does not have igpu.

You could go with 16gb for now, and add more if you need more.

I doubt you would need 850w. If you went with a k2000, you can run on a 300w, though I'd suggest at least 450w for future upgrades.

Which version of premiere are you using? In CC they added opencl support so you can use either amd or nvidia, otherwise...
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I just answered someone else about similiarly. Here is what CUDA is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA which is what the old Quatro did, and now the new Tesla does. Basically it is HOW the GPU is processing is the difference (read the article). Most people's opinions are based not on Processing Rendering, but Graphics Rendering, which is different as in your concerned with doing the Video Rendering of a 60min movie in under 72 Hours, they are concerned with getting 72FPS on a 1900x1200 screen in BF4 when a gunship unloads all its rockets at once.

So the latter is more needed for the regular line (6xx, 7xx, etc) CONSUMER video cards, your needs is more specific, and hence the reason for the Quadro line. Please read the article and you can see how the processing is different in each.
 
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Let's throw opinions out the window and stick to facts. But first, tancredi's post is a bit unclear on what he is trying to get across so will clarify some things. All nvidia cards support cuda since the past 7 years or so and premiere has features that are only cuda accelerated. You only mention geforce and quadro so you probably know you want nvidia. Quadro will keep up in gaming with their gaming counterparts and geforce wins in cuda performance. I think that's the opposite of what he was trying to say. It's not really relevant but just wanted to clarify. Some benchmarks for proof, because I like facts and not opinions. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,3425.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493.html

Anyways, the difference of workstation cards is reliability/stability from optimized drivers and ecc ram(depending on the model), better opengl performance, 10 bit color support in ogl, and geforce is restricted in fp64. Geforce cards will provide a better price to performance but the gimped fp64 and lack of ecc can throw off accuracy. Though if a pixel is slightly the wrong color, no one bats an eye so for the most part isn't important for home video editors or games. If it's not mission critical then you'd be fine with geforce. You really won't ever crash anyways. 10 bit color could be important if you have a 10 bit monitor. Premiere's preview window is cuda while after effects is opengl and photoshop is opengl and opencl (generalizing since some features are still cpu or use cuda/ocl/ogl). For a full list of what exactly uses cuda, opengl, or opencl, you can read these adobe pages.
http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engine-and-adobe-premiere-pro.html
http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-effects-cs6.html
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq.html

So you can see every software suite is different from another. But knowing what it uses doesn't give a picture of how more powerful hardware affects its performance. So then there are benchmarks; here's one for premiere. http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CS6-GPU-Acceleration-162/ There is also a section for geforce vs quadro as it pertains to premiere.
 
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Thank you both for your answers! But, I have one more question if you could help. What Im really looking for, is to export, render and I dont want it to take 2 3 days to export a 2 hour movie in HD... I dont want it to crash when Im putting an effect on the timeline, or even bug it because the station cant handle it. Im looking foward to have 2 monitors, and 1 TV in HDMI plugged so I can have a better idea of what is going to be exported, since I dont reall trust these monitors... I dont play games EVER... besides work, sometimes I watch Youtube, Vimeo, and that is all. But usually not even that, cause I dont like to access internet from my workstation. I mentioned Quadro and GeForce cause from the sites Ive being studying, they looked the best pics, but I dont really care, since it will be compatible with the CPU, it works fine to edit videos. I work mostly with DLSR, so its heavy stuff. And some photoshop and AE just to complement the job. I told you this hole story cause Im still confused on the subject. It might be my english too, cause Ive being away a long time from USA and dont know many of the terms you sometimes use. If you could have a little pacience and help I will be much thankful.
 
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Most video editors aren't going to understand the detailed technicalities of what they use and I get the feeling you didn't actually read any of the articles, but don't worry about it. Since it seems you are doing this for a job and you are doing long movies; I will say get a quadro.

If you haven't bought the other hardware, I'd suggest a e3 1230v3 and asrock b85 pro4. If you could give a budget and what else you are already looking at, then I could help you more.
 
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Sorry, Ive not replied this weekend, but I was away at work. A really apreciatte the help you guys have given to me. I looked the processor
e3 1230v3 , and it looks very much like the i7 3770, just a small difference at the frequency, but a lot cheaper.
Did I get it right?
Now, I did read the articles, but I didnt understand much when it came to the behchmarks. So, I couldn't really make a solid choice.
About the MOBO. What is the difference about the ASUS B85M-E/CSM x Asus P8H77-V LE ... I did see that the one I was going to buy is more expensive, what doesnt mean it is better, right? For what I saw, the difference about these boards is that this one doesnt come with integrated GPU. Is tha right?
About ram, I read in most foruns people talking about buying the Cosair Vengeance 1600 ... so I had the idea of buying 4 slots of 8GB. A friend of mine said to me I would not need that much memory. What do you guys think? Is it a good buy?
I was thinking to buy a 850w power supply.
Im still not sure which GPU I should get. Im really reluctant about getting the Quadro, first because there are a lot of them. And following the logic of the higher the better, Im dont have available 2, 3, 4,000 dollars to buy a GPU. A lot of people in these foruns have beeing crucifying the boards. But, in other hand, there other quadro's cheaper, and some people have beeing telling me that these are the best GPUs to get for video editing. The FirePro W7000, I was looking at it, and its AMD, or am I wrong? That wouldnt help me...right?
I was expecting to invest 2,000 dollars in the machine. I could invest more or less, but my budget is about that.
And again, thanks again for the help!
 
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The 1230v3 is similar to the 4770, the v2 is similar to the 3770. Different architectures and sockets. The b85 mobo is socket 1150, which is compatible with the 1230v3, the h77 is 1155 which is not compatible. I wouldn't suggest either because asus doesn't list the e3 on their cpu support list which is why I suggested the asrock b85 pro4. No modern mobo will have igpu, it's always on the cpu. The 1230v3 does not have igpu.

You could go with 16gb for now, and add more if you need more.

I doubt you would need 850w. If you went with a k2000, you can run on a 300w, though I'd suggest at least 450w for future upgrades.

Which version of premiere are you using? In CC they added opencl support so you can use either amd or nvidia, otherwise any other version is cuda only which is nvidia.

Does $2000 cover os and monitors? What exact parts were already on your "list." For now this is what I suggest, though am unsure of how much storage you need since you should have external for all extra videos.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oD8b
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oD8b/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oD8b/benchmarks/

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($85.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($95.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 ($250.00)
GPU: NVIDIA Quadro K2000D ($405.00)
Total: $1098.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-05 18:22 EDT-0400)
 
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Reallyappreciate the comment k1114 .... I already have the monitors from my old workstation. I have plenty external hard drives too. I am buying one SSD 128GB for the progams and a 1TB for videos and other files. Two questions: these Kingstones memory are mor indicated than the Cosair Vengeance? Cause I ve seen a lot o people saying they were going to buy the Cosair Vengeance. The motheboard... Asrock is a good brench? In newwegg I read a lot of bad comments about it and I always worked with Asus. Im going to use the Premiere CS6 and I dont know what CC is... Ive already decided for the Quadro k2000 and I really thank you about it!
 
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I chose the kingston because it's a reliable brand and cheaper. I believe the vengeance you were looking at is cl9 1.5v, while these are cl10 1.35v. Other than that the specs are the same.

Asrock is a good brand, I don't hold any fanboyism to any company, but as long as it's reputable, they get my suggestion. In fact my current mobo is asrock. You seem to have plenty of budget leftover if you wanted to go with another board, possibly higher end. It really doesn't matter if you go with asus, just make sure the xeon is on the cpu support list for that mobo.

You never mentioned the 4770, the 3770 mobos are the wrong socket. The 1230v3 is cheaper than an i7 and the .1ghz doesn't make a difference. Unless you went with a k version to oc just go with a xeon. The v3 is also a newer architecture so is better performance per clock which makes up for the slower speed.

CC is the newest version after cs6.
 
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I see. Thanks. I was looking here in Newwegg about those board. I will notreally overclock, so as you see, I dont understand much about computers and Im not looking to spend a lot of time with it. Do you know other Asus that I could compare with this asrock that you indicated? So I can have a better idea before choosing? Another thing, is there a difference between the Quadr k2000 x Quadro k2000D?
 
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I really apreciatte the help! Thank you! Im going to create another post now with the machine I , mostly you, lol decided to assemble to see some more opinions... but I have made my mind now! Thanks again!
And Quadro it is!
 
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