PC Ethernet run maxes out at 100Mbit, can interference cause missing pairs?

devsfan1830

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I recently moved into a new apartment so I had to make a new ethernet run to go from my router (linksys e3200) to my bedroom. This run is about 40-50ft. IN my old place I had about the same distance run and got 1Gbit just fine. In that case the wire was a single unbroken run down a hallway tucked in the carpet/wall seam. In my new place I have the option, due to an existing coax line between rooms through 3 (1 of which is my AC/heating/waterheater) closets, to put the line in the walls. So now I have 3 segments: router>rj45/coax plate 1>rj45/coas plate 2>pc. The first 2 segments are using minimum wire needed for the most accessible direct routes. The final length from the wallplate in my bedroom needs to run the perimeter of the room before getting to my pc. I have found that using a WAY shorter (maybe 10 ft) fresh self crimped cable gets me 1Gbit. But if i use the longer final segment the PC ethernet port reports a missing pair. All my lines are self crimped and all the plugs have been double checked to be wire right and they appear to have proper pin contact. My only other explanation is the combination of distance which is already short as it is and possible EMI from the mechanical closet. I know they can degrade overall speed performance; but can they full on kill a pair in the line and prevent full duplex 1Gbit negotiation?

After seeing the shorter line work, I assumed the wire I used to make the permiter run was damaged while i was tucking it in the carpet/wall seam. I bought a whole new spool of wire and made a new run and it still failed to give me 1Gbit.
 
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it could be that there is a power cable or something causing interference in the wall.

if you know where there are any lengths of the run that are near sources of EM like a microwave or power lines wrap that part in tin foil and see if it helps.

for best EM protection also ground the foiled part of the line to earth if possible.

gigabit ethernet doesnt just only use an extra pair it also signals at higher frequencies which could be blocked by EMI.
it could be that there is a power cable or something causing interference in the wall.

if you know where there are any lengths of the run that are near sources of EM like a microwave or power lines wrap that part in tin foil and see if it helps.

for best EM protection also ground the foiled part of the line to earth if possible.

gigabit ethernet doesnt just only use an extra pair it also signals at higher frequencies which could be blocked by EMI.
 
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devsfan1830

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Wow. Foil. How the hell did I not think of that. Basically gives me a quick and dirty STP cable. Theres a small portion of the cable in the wall that runs in a mechanical closet which has my ac/heating fan box and a hot water heater. So there's probably a fair amount of EMI just from that. Plus it runs entirely parallel with a coax cable, which in my searches there seems to be conflicting info on whether or not coax causes significant EMI. I will definitely give foil a shot. I was already looking at STP for the wall but the cost and the fact I can only find it in 1000FT spools turns me off. For such a short run either foil fixes it or im stuck at 100Mbit, which is fine but I'df like to get full theoretical line speed.
 

Unktone

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Try taking the wall plates off, and run your horizontal cabling, punched to the wall plate, down the hall instead of through the wall. Simulating the run, but eliminating interference possibilities. If it still doesn't work, start replacing the short cables, wall plates, and horizontal run until it works. Then stick it back in the wall and follow everyone's advice on interference :)

 

Unktone

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Try taking the wall plates off, and run your horizontal cabling, punched to the wall plate, down the hall instead of through the wall. Simulating the run, but eliminating interference possibilities. If it still doesn't work, start replacing the short cables, wall plates, and horizontal run until it works. Then stick it back in the wall and follow everyone's advice on interference :)
 

devsfan1830

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At this time no, the coax run to my bedroom is unused so since its not actually connected to a TV/box its a dead line. In that case, there should be litte to no EM influence from it. The only part that is wide open to it that I can see is about a 10 inch length from wall to wall that runs right by my water heater and ac/heat fan box. There is also a pipe running perpendicular that carries a coax bundle down to the lower floors. But being sheathed in a pipe and being perpendicular should eliminate EM from those. Still gonna try foil there and see what happens.