[4 quick questions] 3570k Air Cooled 4.4ghz Overclock

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4 Questions:

1. Can a Hype 212 keep a 3570k cooled around 4.4 ghz overclock? Not really looking to push past that, just want a little more out of my 1st PC. All the forums I've read conclude something to the effect of water cooling is for 4.4g ghz and higher but just wanted a double check.

2. Curious if I need this expensive of a mother board to hit 4.4 ghz.

3. Site has it estimated at 365w, but when overclocked will a 450w power supply be enough?

4. Also, can anyone look to see if this is a solid ram/video/cpu/mobo build for me?

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GK104 really does not OC well.

techpowerup used a round up of GTX760 and averaged them out to about a 12% gain in BF3. Which is not much, BF3 is VERY clock sensitive, so most games will get a lot smaller gain from OCing. Keep in mind these are "BEST CASE SCENARIO OCing", with GPUs mostly sent by the competing companies, your bought GPU sample may not get anywhere close to this kind of performance gain.

Still also does not come close to a GTX780...
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Seems solid, although 16GB and 2133MHz speeds are pointless, especially since they are CAS 11, get some CAS 9 1866Mhz RAM of 8GB or 16GB(only if you REALLY want that much, it will not be used easily) instead.

I would suggest ONE change. Drop to a little cheaper mobo and get a higher wattage PSU just for that little extra headroom, or you may run into trouble when OCing. You do not really want to run PSUs at high capacity for long periods of time. A decent 550W is perfectly fine.

The 212 SHOULD be fine for 4.4GHz, its not really a definite thing, but MOST likely.
 
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my suggestion :

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nvmE
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nvmE/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nvmE/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($136.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($46.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($56.23 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.73 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1053.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-02 16:11 EDT-0400)
 
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I can't see PCPartPicker lists at work any more, so I really can't offer too much more. From what I've seen in other threads, you may rely on Novuake's suggestions; differences I'm likely to have most likely fit into the category of niggles. If you're going to overclock though, make sure the mobo you get has decent VRMs, with heatsinks on them.
 
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1. The thought process behind the ram: filtered by the 1.5v supported by intel chip, and then by price. The 2133ghz was like a dollar more so I clicked on it. Is there a performance gain using CAS9 1866mhz over CAS11 2133ghz? If so I'll of course go with that! (I do gaming, but light amounts of video editing and photoshop)

2. I swapped out the power supply to a 550w gold Sea Sonic.

3. Any suggestions for a slightly beefier heat sink? I don't mind dropping another $20-40 to ensure I don't burn out a $220 chip (prematurely)

 
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I prefer a balance of CAS vs Frequency, but to be honest, frequancy wins out in most cases from a performance perspective, however on Z77/Z87, higher frequency LITERALLY means nothing other than in synthetics. So yeah, balance is again looking good. :D

As for a beefier heatsink. Noctua NH-D14 is one of the most popular ones at its price.
Its on promo at Amazon too.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002VKVZ1A/?tag=pcpapi-20
 
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1. I had that mobo in my 1st build because it has the OC Genie 2 button on the board. (lazy overclocker...which I definitely am^^)

2. Is a 256g SSD for $180 worth having?
3. Should I bump up the video card at all? I could go up another $50-70 if need be.
 
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Thanks! :D

MSI usually hold back on decent VRMs, but the GD65 Gaming board is one of the exceptions. G43/G45 on the other hand. :no:

Not sure about the G45 Gaming one specifically though, have not seen any decent testing done on it yet.
 
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1. LOL BIOS OCing is suggested and ALWAYS safer and better.
2. UHM SSDs are great and once you get used to them, you can not go back. If you have the cash, yes, if you are not sure, hold off on it.
3. Nah, don't bump to GTX770, its 100$ diff which could be better spent on an SSD. At least thats my reasoning since the GTX760 presents SUCH amazing value and can ofcourse be SLI'd later.
 
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Ok, I'll go watch some tutorials on bios oc'n. lol

As for Ram, I have it at 1866mhz cas9 1.5v Gskill, but only 8gigz of it, should I be at 16gigz? (my frame of reference is just bad: Mac Pro 16 gigz of 1066mhz, I don't feel any love from it)
 
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The MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming motherboard is one sweet board. I got sent one to review, and the only reason I didn't put it in my primary system is because that's in a m-ATX case, and this board is ATX. So, it's going to remain my test board for now, but it's also (still) doing a little BTC mining.
I'm not sure a much better air cooler can be had for $60. The Xigmatek Dark Knight I believe is a slightly larger model than the Gaia, but I'm not sure it cools notably better. The $60 Thermaltake Frio is a better cooler though, but I couldn't tell you if it's $40 better.
 
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HardOCP did a good review of the GD65 Gaming also. With voltage increases, they got some good OCs. I don't push voltage when I OC, so I think I just went to 4.2GHz and was happy.
Throughout my testing, I'd aim an IR thermometer at the VRMs from time to time, and they always stayed pretty cool; max maybe 38C? I think it was generally less though.
Cheap MSI boards, expecially the AMD ones (e.g. -G43) are NOTORIOUS for VRMs that pop under load. I was very pleasantly surprised.
 
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Well get 8GB and see what your usage is like. If needed, get another set of the same type of RAM. As simple as that.

I got some previous threads on OCing here, but each chip is different. Just ask once you have the board, and I/we will help.

 
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The Z77 G43 was just as bad from personal experience. ANY voltage increase would make voltages iratic and temps go up.... SEND ME THAT IR Thermometer!!!!! just can not find one here.(well not at acceptable prices)
 
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I was about to buy all this stuff but my cousin is busting my chops about my video card. Can the 760 be overclocked and if so, what's it's equivalent to: 780? I guess I can go another $100-150 on the video card.
 
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GK104 really does not OC well.

techpowerup used a round up of GTX760 and averaged them out to about a 12% gain in BF3. Which is not much, BF3 is VERY clock sensitive, so most games will get a lot smaller gain from OCing. Keep in mind these are "BEST CASE SCENARIO OCing", with GPUs mostly sent by the competing companies, your bought GPU sample may not get anywhere close to this kind of performance gain.

Still also does not come close to a GTX780.
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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/30.html

 
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Jip THIS, but once again, SLI in the near future would be a better option if you were to get a 750-850w PSU now.
 
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2nd thought, after looking at that whole benchmark and thinking about my current comp vs. needs... I don't think I game enough to spend above $250 on a graphics card. I've been playing wow forever, photoshop cs4, imovie, and office programs on my 2.66ghz mac pro that has 16gigz of 1066mhz ram on a dog hard drive. The mac pro has been slowing down so I need a new comp.

I think a 4.4ghz overclock with 8gig ram, and the 760 card will stomp the hell out of my tasks, and at $1,067, I can live with that.
 
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nvHD

Thanks for your help on the build. I'll hit you up when all the parts come in and I'm ready to OC. =)
 
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My sentiments exactly.
 
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Makes a lot of sense. Turning a setting or two down is no big loss. Really, of all the computer parts I didn't really need over the years, high-powered graphics cards top the list. My only consolation about the HD7970 is that I bought it to mine for a while, and if I cashed out now it would be like I paid <$200 for it; that's hard to beat no matter how you look at it.
 
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A friend brought up something interesting about buying 3770k build: a beast for my tasks, but I could do this near identical build on Haswell platform ($40 difference) but I'll have the motherboard so when new CPUs come out I'll be able swap them in.

Worth it?

Ivy Bridge
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nYNP

Haswell Build
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1nZMK
 
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