GTX 770 vs GTX 780 or wait for amd 9000 series

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I need help with deciding on which card to get i had a msi gtx 580 but both fans stopped working so Iam getting them sending it back (still under warranty) and i cant be a month without a pc and thought it would be a good time for a complete upgrade and the only thing i cant decide on is the graphics card. My budget is 1750$ and this is the components Iam going to buy PCpartpicker and i wanted to have the pc for a 3 years without changing anything, So I narowed it into 3 options
1) Get the asus gtx 780
2)Get the asus gtx 770 (have it for about year or something and buy new 800 series that I hope will be a new architecture and from the money I saved buy it
3) Or somehow wait for the 9000series that is coming in october I hope and consider them

PS:I will be selling the gtx 580 when it gets back for extra money and I have 650W PSU, and I dont want SLI

Hope someone cant figure it out for a good week now

Edit: Playing on one monitor on 1920:1200 res and like higher frame rates, specially BF4
 
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GTX 770 has a TDP of 230W and its minimum recommended PSU is 600W (although a quality 550W would be sufficient in most systems). GTX 760 has a TDP of 170W, so with simple math two of them would require at least a 700W PSU...
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If I was in your situation, I would get the 780.

This is because if you get the 770 and then get another card when the 9000 series comes out you are throwing a lot of money into the pot.
Also when the 9000 series comes out the 7series card prices will drop by a huge amount and you would not get as much as you would want in selling the card.
So i would go for the 780 and then stick it out for 2 years then sell it and upgrade.

Yet this is only my opinion, I am sure there will be others who would advise you to go down the other route.



 
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That whole "next gen" optimization is a lot of vaporware at this point. HD 9000 is still 28nm and very much this generation. There's nothing to indicate it's going to be revolutionary in any way.

GTX 780 is a gigantic waste of money. It costs more than two GTX 760s in SLI and is slower. If you absolutely don't want to upgrade your PSU, your best choice at this point is GTX 770. Much better value for money than GTX 780 and still fast enough to last you a long time. At the very least there's no reason for you to upgrade from a GTX 770 until Maxwell, or more likely Maxwell refresh.

However SLI 760 is a really good option too. Two GTX 760s plus a new PSU cost less than a single GTX 780, but gives much more performance. In fact, it gives you better-than-Titan class performance. If you want to be economical, get one GTX 760 now, wait three months and buy a second GTX 760 (and a new PSU) after HD 9000 is in the stores. I would expect the price of all 700-series cards to drop at least a bit with the new Radeon launch, so you could get the whole set for well under $600.

That's an instant saving of at least $50 compared to GTX 780, and you'll get a much faster system. That $50 could either go towards 4GB models of the 760s, larger SSD or whatever else you might want to prioritize.

Just don't waste it on the GTX 780. There's no good reason to do that, unless you would be running ultra-high resolutions and would want to SLI it later (and probably not even then).
 
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Just noticed that you have 16 GB of RAM in your build. Do you do a lot of professional level Photoshopping or use other demanding productivity apps besides gaming?

Because if gaming is your priority, I would strongly recommend you to drop that RAM down to 8GB. The only reason to have more at this point for gaming purposes is if you want to use half of that as a RAM disk.

Don't know if you have an SSD already, but if you don't, that would be a much, much better purchase for overall system performance and responsiveness than 16 GB RAM. It would even help noticeably with games that have long level loading times.
 
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With the SSD Iam waiting for a ASUS rog ssd and with the ram i had 8gb but 1330mhz and it was stuck on 100% while playing arma and I will use the pc for rendering videos


Edit: I started thinking about the gtx 760 SLI It would be a better option maybe, I wanna run bf4 and future games on a stable 60fps and do i need the 4gb or Iam ok with the 2 gb ??
 
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I'm not aware of a single game that uses 6GB of RAM, much less 8+ GB. That seems to be a problem specific for Arma - not that it uses 8GB or RAM, just that it's buggy with 8GB of RAM. It runs fine with even less than 4GB of RAM, just not 8...

I guess that's a reason for going with 16 GB, but unless it benefits video editing it's a lot of RAM going to waste. You could always RAMdisk it for better use, of course.



2GB is sufficient for a single monitor setup for a long time. However if you do get the SLI, the 2GB VRAM might bottleneck your performance in some games a couple of years down the line. That doesn't mean they don't run on the high quality settings, just that you might not get the maximum performance out of your SLI setup.

With 4GB VRAM an SLI 760 setup would easily last you for longer than 3 years, guaranteed. Depending on the games you play, you could probably go for 5 years before even giving a thought to an upgrade. And that's still for far less than a single GTX 780.
 
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And Iam thinking will the SLI 760s Fit into the zalman Z11 plus just wondering
 
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Twin 760s is easily doable within your $1750 budget assuming every component beoing replaced....

Warning the H100 is frakin loud ! Not worth it in my opinion for 1/2C over phanteks

I use 16GB in all my builds above $1500

This is $1564

Case - $200 Corsair 500R White http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1390812
PSU - included Corsair TX750

MoBo - $402 - MSI Z87 GD65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1392841
CPU - Included - Intel Core i5-4670k

RAM $80 - (2 x 4GB) Muskin CAS 9 DDR3-1866 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226223

Cooler - $80 - Phanteks PH-TC14 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709011
TIM - $7 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080

GFX - $260 - MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127745
$260 MSI Gaming N760 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127745

HD - $90 Caviar Black 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
SSD - $135 - Samsung 840 Pro 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192

DVD Writer - $50 - Asus Blue Ray Player / DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135247

Are you keeping anything from old build or selling the whole shebang ?

Upping to twin 770s w/ an HX 850 would add $240 for the GFX and $60 for the HX850 combo w/ 500R case for $1864

Though ya might wanna look at the new Maximus VI Extreme features .....

Notable features:

Fits tall RAM under 3rd party coolers
air / water design (built in water blocks)
Up to DDR311
thermal armor
Black Wing Chokes
10K Black Metallic Capacitors
Ram Disk
Supreme FX
8 fan header
Sonic radar
10 SATA ports @ 6Gbps

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?35094

Im expecting to see on newegg by early next week.
 
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As far as I know the ROG SSD is not actually launched yet, and no availability has been announced. That might be a loooong wait...

Plus for the price it's going to sell, the benefit over something like Samsung 840 PRO or even 840 EVO is going to be negligible. You'd only notice it in benchmarks.

In fact, if you go with 16 GB RAM and would allow your Samsung 840 EVO to use part of it for caching (Samsung RAPID), the 840 EVO would actually be faster than the Asus ROG SSD. For far, far less money.



Huh? Twin 760s cost only $550. With the rest of the parts he had listed, the price is around $1300.



This part I would agree with, although I would go one step further: Water cooling in general is not worth it. You'll get a superb air cooling solution for less money that keeps the CPU nearly just as cool but with far less noise. That's if you're into gaming and not hardcore OC-benchmarking.
 
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I really don't see a need for twin 770s at this point. Twin 760s already give you more performance than a GTX Titan. Paying for two 770s is just throwing money away for no good reason. He's gaming with one monitor, not three, and SLI 760 would be plenty even for a tri-monitor setup...
 
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The thing is I already both the Z11 a month ago so i dont want to buy a new case and i want to keep the asus motherboard so i was thinking just about the grafics card a btw Iam from czech rep. and we gat a huge tax like 40% from USA, and i will reconsider the cpu cooling

Edit:From this build Iam keeping the hdd and the dvd and the PSU maybe its a 650W bronze (not sure it can do SLI) but if i have to buy a new one i will
Edit 2: I wont be buying the water cooling its too expensive for the purpose i need
 
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GTX 770 has a TDP of 230W and its minimum recommended PSU is 600W (although a quality 550W would be sufficient in most systems). GTX 760 has a TDP of 170W, so with simple math two of them would require at least a 700W PSU. This is however a very safe figure to go by, and the actual power draw will in almost every instance be significantly less than that. Depending on the rest of your system, it is quite likely that your 650W will be good enough for two 760s. Just don't count on it. (In practice the 760 is never going to draw 170W and neither is the rest of your system going to consume anywhere near 360W. In fact it probably draws less than 200W.)

However even if you did have to buy a new PSU, the cost is going to be just a fraction of your overall system cost, and even with two GTX 760s the total price is still less than with a single GTX 780 using your current PSU. Nevermind the fact that you can still get good money from your PSU if you sell it.

Of course I'm counting this with US prices, but I would think that GTX 780 is going to be relatively even more expensive compared to GTX 760 over there.

Finally, just for the record, if you don't want to go SLI then I would recommend either of two options: Get a single GTX 770 and stick with it for as long as it lasts (probably at least a couple of years) or get a single GTX 760 and keep it at least until Maxwell hits the stores. Upgrading with HD 9000 is probably not going to be worth it either way, but Maxwell or whatever AMD releases after that just might be. Whichever way you crunch the numbers though, a GTX 780 is not worth the money unless you'd get two more screens and an SLI 780 setup to go along with it.
 
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I will get 2 GTX 760 its rly good for the price. Thanks for the advice and help to save me money :) for the saved money I got a 240gb SSD
 
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Glad to be of service! That's a really good use for the money, you'll be thanking yourself about it in no time. ;)

 
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Bottom line is if you game at 1080p or lower res, stick with a 770 or AMD equivalent card. Those that game at 2560 x 1600/ or 1440 need the 780 like myself. Don't waste your money on a 780 if you dont have the display to take advantage of it. I never understood those guys that spend so much on their graphics cards like a Titan or 2 780s only to game on a single 24-27 inch 1080 display. If you can afford $1200 + for graphics then you can afford to spend that on your display as well.

 
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You mean formula right? umm I think you confused the extreme with the formula which is releasing very soon
 
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1. People want the best performance card for 1080P without spending 1K on titan/690 and 2. for those that upgrade ever other year or more a 780 would be a better run then the 770 so its not so i can see why people go for the better card.

 
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Not sure I agree with that. For the price of a 780 you could get a 770 now and upgrade in two years to a card that has more performance than the 780, Titan, or quite possibly even the 690.

And even by today's prices you will get more performance for less money with two 760s than a single 780, which will easily last you for 2-3 years (and longer than a single 780 anyway). I just don't see the 780 being worth it either way unless you game at ultra high resolutions or plan on going SLI later.
 
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Everyone thinks different so we both got points because i know people thats still hanging on to 580s to each of its own..
 
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Sure, but the facts speak for themselves.

Whether you look at price, absolute performance or price per performance, the 780 loses out to two 760s hands down. That's not a matter of opinion but an objective fact.

780 would have some advantages like consuming less power and producing less heat (although that doesn't mean it's quieter), as well as allowing a more powerful SLI with a wider memory bandwidth. But in terms of performance, price and quite likely acoustics there's no just contest.
 
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I agree with you, but the main reason people get ehe 780 is well because they can! They save up, they know its one of the best cards ATM, and they get it, just like the titan, if you can afford it why not?
Your point of the SLI 760 beating the 780 is very true for people who don't want to spend $700, or who simply can't afford something that expensive. I was actually thinking about getting a 760 and waiting a couple of months for the release of the 9000 series come out, the MSI780 Lightning, the SOC version, and how they match up so I can sell my 760 and get the best one.
 
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So the objective is to pay the maximum amount of money, not to get the fastest card? SLI 760 beats the Titan, so why would you pay over $1000 to get a slower card, other than to waste money?

I'm happy to sell you my GTX770 for $1500 in exchange for your 760 to help you meet that goal. :p
 
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Well, IDK, go ask some Titan users, i think that when they SLI titans it performs better than SLI 760(obvs) but obviously your spending $1500 more, which is completely outright stupid.
Oh, I was saying I WAS going to get the 760 now, I currently don't have it right now, but I might...I'm just waiting on the formula's price and release(may go with the deluxe) and the 780 Lightning.
and $1500? lol. and P.S. 770s are really the best cards for performance/dollar and in general, IMO, great choice.
 
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Performance geeks want the best of the best out there and i dont have much room to talk because i went from a 660ti to a 780 when reality i could of stuck with the 660ti and possible sli the 780s in the future
 
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