Hastily bought a new computer platform (any good)

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Ice three

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Hello there!
Wishe me welcome:bounce:

My old nehalem platform that I once owned gave away yesterday. More specifically>

I was browsing the web and suddenly everything froze. Having canceled every hardware piece out up until the Mobo and CPU. So either one of them failed (probably mobo in most cases)

But since I thought it was bollocks to reinvest in old hardware i couldn't possible obtain that easily anymore I opted to buy a new haswell platform.

I also wanted something fresh thus I bought a new casing, new cooler and a appropriate heatsink fan.

This is namely>>

MOBO: ASRock Z77 Pro3.
CPU:Intel I5 3570K
RAM:GSkill Ripjaws-X (2x4gb) 1600mhz CL8
CASING:Corsair Carbide Series 500R
CPU COOLER:prolimatech Megahalems.
CPU Heatsink fan: Scythe Gentle Typhoon (or in other words a airplane propeller)

For about €560,00

Anyway...

I ordered this stuff right after I woke up this morning because I just couldn't just remain to act straight having to live of my notebook for days on end.

So I just ordered right away without to much investigation but just on the knowledge that I had. I didn't have €1000,00 to spend so I couldnt invest in a full tower or a better motherboard (exspecially the former named investment is something I used to put money into and I got bored of my old casing)

To the point

Basically I'm just dropping by after the party has closed and come to ask if other people out here had somewhat similar or identical systems and can tell me if the combination of cpu, mobo and ram yield a popular overclock potential.

Or did I fail at buying any of those parts?

I'm glad to hear some experiences. Anyway I'll be able to see for myself next week when I expect the parts to arrive.
 
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please read a few posts up...
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First off, I'd say the parts are going to be a huge upgrade for you.

There's not a whole lot wrong with Haswell. It's definitely fast and low power. However, there is one glaring issue if you intend to overclock, and that is that Haswell has serious heat problems.

It will perform on par with a Sandy/Ivy i3, so it's not huge, but you definitely payed extra (new part premium) for something that will probably only hit ~4.3ghz overclock.. while your SB/Ivy counterparts will be closer to 4.7- 5.0 ghz , meaning very similar performance.

overall it's going to be a huge difference, just don't expect it to be as amazing as the older chips. good luck!
 
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Guys, a FCLGA1150 processor won't fit in a Z77 motherboard.
Source: http://ark.intel.com/products/75048/

May I suggest swapping the board for the following part:
- Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H (Z87 Chipset)

As for the 'only 10%' faster comments, once the Oct 23rd titles are out they'll run +33% faster on Haswell (Core i#-4000 series) during the heavier action scenes compared to Snady or Ivy Bridge; the peak performance will be similar and this will average out to +10% to +15%.

Bear in mind that the bottom percentiles are much better under Haswell!
- This more than makes up for not being able to reach even a +22% higher clock speed in real world testing (gameplay vs benchmarks).
 
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Oh yeah, and unfortunately the heat issues are INSIDE the cpu. Specifically, from the cores sealed in a black box --> crappy thermal paste --> CPU cover.

Sandy bridge had a string of fluxless solder between the cores and the CPU cover, which provided almost 20x the transfer than the new blackbox -> thermal paste. This results in over clock conditions heating up the motherboard and surroundings faster than the CPU cover can get it to the heat sink. A very unexpected and stupid problem from Intel, and a serious bother for overclockers.

Luckily, you should only see these conditions should you push your overclock & run stress test conditions. Still, it's sad that the new, more expensive core is a worse over-clocker overall, compared to the slightly cheaper, older chips.
 
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If these guys are correct and the cpu wont fit, you will have to exchange one or the other. Just go which ever option losses least money,
and dont worry because an ivy bridge i5 will give plenty of game anyway. There isnt much init, init!
 
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HOW did i overlook that lol too may thread flying for me LMAO -

AsRock Z87 Pro3 with the LGA 1150 socket is what you need for a Haswell chip
Otherwise, change to Ivy Bridge chip to work with Z77
 
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Quite honestly, i feel really embarrased about the mistake.

However... I didn't know about the heat issues however, in fact I just rushed for the newest platform to get a new computer quikly. I initially failed at choosing the wrong motherboard with a S1150:ouch: instead of a S1155.

But if you are certain about the heat issues I will remain with the motherboard and choose a i5 3570K processor instead. Ghz are very important for me as I'm a FSX simmer and I cannot deal with heat bottlenecks. So I just contact the webshop from which I bought my parts and ask if they could replace the CPU which is nearly the same price also.

As for the Haswell topic. Are these heat issues going to be fixed?

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OT: thus it's going to be replaced by the I5 3570K. (I also update this in the TS just to stop further confusion in later replies)
Or are there for any reason some people still swearing on the haswell anyway (in which case I swap the mobo instead of the cpu)
So to resume any input on my initial question about overclock potential. Someone already gave a hint away in the first reply.

@Buzz 247
A 750watt corsair one
And the GPU is a HD7870
 
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Haswell has higher base/stock clocking over ivy. has better onboard gpu support. Beyond that - ESPECIALLY if wanting to OC, you are far better off with i53570k and OC the snot out of it. with high end air cooling you can OC to 4.6/7 np. With liquid custom 4.8/9/5.0. Simply a better platform for overclocking. Honestly - for OC Ivy is a far better bet.
 
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please read a few posts up. haswell is a sidestep sir. an ivy or sandy oced 4.5-5.0 will be exactly the same as a haswell at 4.3. haswell is hot. and you are stating hyperbole and guessing at what "oct 23rd" releases might bring in terms of benefit for haswell. if it benefits haswell it will benefit ivy/sandy as well. soo moot point.
 
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you will not be disappointed. ivy/sandy are STILL ahead of there time, you wont even have to think about a new cpu for 3-5 years. oced high enough? who knows when youll need an upgrade
 
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I just came here to say that I obtained my hardware and installed it. I'm very happy with the coolant performance. I used AS5 and a lapped IHS and megahalem heatspreader surface with the scythe gentle typhoon. In absolute idle I get about 6-7 degrees above room (atmospheric) temperature. That's 26.5 celsius in my room atm.

I'm not yet going to overclock my baby. Gotta install a whole bunch of software and stuff. But I might open up a thread when I hit the gas on it.
 
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