New Gaming Platform

llMlJll · Aug 3, 2013

I'm planning to get a new Gaming Platform. Since i recently spilled coffee on my Old one "Yeah, Stupid".
But anyways, Intel Haswell or AMD FX.
Would PCie 2.0 & PCie 3.0 a factor. Since i noticed AMD boards w/ PCie 3.0 aren't that many "Probably not their Priority".
Ofcourse, budget wise. Enough to play on a Single Monitor, just a 27" Display.
GPU would be either GTX 660Ti or ATI HD7950.
Memory, dunno about good manufacturers. Choice are Corsair Vengeance and Ripjaws Sniper. 8GB 1600.
Any thoughts guys ? ? ? ?

Tradesman1 · Aug 3, 2013

Budget? Not knowing, I'd look to a 3570K, maybe the Asus P8Z77-V LK, a Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler, 8GB 1866/CL8 DRAM Ripjaws X F3-14900CL8D-8GBXM .... Can do better w/ a budget..........

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

Budget should be around $2000.
But still, would be a waste of money if you put together something that's not balanced.
I don't plan to expand to Multi Monitors. Just 1 display would do. 1920x1080 resolution would be kicking it. I heard FX 8350 is overkill if i don't plan to expand to Eyefinity Setup. GPU? GTX 670 or HD 7970. Board? Asus Sabertooth seems sturdy.
Anyways, would like to build a computer that would last long and not be too left behind w/o upgrading every 2-3 years.

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

It's a gaming platform, I don't even know about Video Rendering. LoL.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

If you are looking for an AMD CPU like the 8350 you should totally get the Crosshair V Formula-Z
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/CROSSHAIR_V_FORMULAZ/
It has amazing overclockability and compatibility with CrossfireX AND SLI which totally blows my mind.
If you lean towards an intel cpu I'd say the
Asus z77 http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z77/
Asus z87(in case of Haswell)http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z87/
If you are not planning on adding more monitors and staying in the full HD 1080p then I say either card works. Although bare in mind that you might want to sli / crossfire one of those bad boys for future more demanding games.

My opinion? Get the GTX 770.

It ultimately comes down to price as there won't be much performance difference between them. If the 670 is 10% cheaper than the 770 or more, it's as good a value as the 770. If the 670 isn't much cheaper than the 770, the 770 is the better value.

I'm also building a gaming rig at the moment, maybe you'll get some ideas as to what I'm going for:

CPU:Intel core I7 4770k (This is so not necessary for gaming, but I use it for 3D rendering) Just get an i5-3750k for gaming and you will be fine.

MOBO:Asus Sabertooth z87

GPU:Gigabyte GTX 770 4GB OC Windforce 3x (I'm running 3 monitors setup) For single monitor, go 2GB.

MEMORY:2x8 Kingston hyper x 1866mhz (8 is sufficient for gaming, not enough for hardcore rendering)

CASE: Cooler Master HAF x (good for expanding and air flow)

PSU: Corsair professional HX850 PLUS GOLD (850w is overkill for current setup, but good for SLI)

CPU COOLER DEPENDS ON Overclocking needs.

HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM

SSD:Samsung 840 PRO Basic series 120GB

Hope this helps!

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

I've been hearing ATI's Graphics card are more preferred nowadays.
Since PS4 and Xbox One are implementing ATI Graphics for them. What do you think. Well, i do get the SLI for future upgrades is what you meant, and i heard ATI's Crossfire has some issues. But i have this issue w/ my PSU, i don't want to change my Old PSU yet, it's an Antec Platinum 650w. Dunno if that can carry an SLI/Crossfire Build system.

We're pretty much same w/ Specs wanted. I've been starring at the Sabertooth Z87 for awhile now. I live in a harsh dusty environment so i think that's my best bet. As far as Cooling are concerned, dunno if i'll get a Corsair H110 or a Big Metal w/ Fan thingy for CPU cooling. I don't dare touch those Do It Yourself water cooling, i might end up smoking my Build.

Yes for OVERCLOCK :bounce:

Nuf Said. ^.^

Intel i5 4670k seems enough for gaming since most are saying i7 4770k is overkill for gaming, specially w/ my 1 monitor build. Dunno if i will upgrade to 2 Displays. It's left for consideration.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

Go with the Intel i5 4670k. The Sabertooth z87 TUF has dust caps, so that helps with the environment issue, HIGHLY recommend that Motherboard.

Crossfire is ok, but you get all those benefits from nVidia like CUDA,3Dvision ready surround, PhysiX, incredible SLI support.

thanksforthefish87 · Aug 4, 2013

ubervelocity :

Never Crossfired or used SLI, But I've heard that SLI's support is a lot better. I've been hearing a lot of problems with crossfire lately.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

If you want to overclock, get this: http://www.corsair.com/us/hydro-series-h100i-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler.html

It's a must(high-end)CPU cooler.

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

Dunno for sure. I had SLI/Crossfire w/ my past build but ended up never using it.

Dunno how heavy the disadvantages of Crossfire are, i've been thinking how much difference could it be.

Yes. PHysiX. I loved that when it came out. I play Borderlands 2.
Nvidia does have Shiny things. But all i'm aiming at are RAW speed.
Since future games would be demanding "That's for damn sure".

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

Get the GTX 770 2gb version. Then SLI it with another 770 in the future. This setup is 40% better than a titan. This means raw speed,all the physix benefits AND if you want, 3D 3 monitor setup. Future proofing to the best imho.

thanksforthefish87 · Aug 4, 2013

llMlJll :

Depending on how hungry theses next gen games are I might crossfire my 7870. I'll have to take the risk of crossfire issues because it's the cheapest option to upgrade.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

thanksforthefish87 :

Crossfiring two 7870's will consume more power out of your PSU, so be prepared for that. Also bigger electric bill but performance wise, you shouldn't have any issues.

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

Interesting Logic there Uber.
3D Glasses :ouch:

Physix

40% Better than Titan

What's CUDA anyways. I think ATI has something like it too. Dunno what's that called. Is that for Graphics Producing thingy ?

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

You know technology nowadays Fish, they don't stop improving.
I won't be shocked if Monitors would still exist in the near future and just have goggles for views.
Their all tempting. Crossfire/SLI then Multi Monitor set up.
That would be awesome.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

Once you have your new shiny GTX board, you install all your drivers and the CUDA toolkit from here!
https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads

abU
This example is a little on the oversimplified side, but it should give you enough to get started. After which, I'd suggest some of the fine articles on sites like Tom's to get more of the specifics.

If you think of your video card like a freeway, then CUDA cores would be analogous to the number of lanes in the road, clock speed would be the speed limit, and memory interface would be the number of lanes for exit/entry ramps. More lanes means more cars can be moving on the freeway at any given time, the higher the speed limit the faster any given car is moving, and then if there's say 2 exit lanes instead of 1, you can have more cars getting off the freeway, same as you can have more cars coming onto the freeway if there are say 2 entry lanes instead of 1.

Again, it's a bit of an oversimplified example, but it should be enough to get you started in understanding some of the articles explaining these things in greater detail.

In the end, the specs are irrelevant. What is important is game performance so you ignore the spec sheet and look at game benchmarks when choosing a card.

In this case, the GTX 770 is THE choice for the best gaming rig! Hope that this helped!

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

So CUDA is like Traffic management. If i understood that correctly. Flows faster, response time and such.

MSI GTX770 Lightning looks appealing.
Would that be good ?

llMlJll · Aug 4, 2013

Crap, now i'm looking at GTX Titan >.<
$1000. Crap.

thanksforthefish87 · Aug 4, 2013

ubervelocity :

thanksforthefish87 :

Crossfiring two 7870's will consume more power out of your PSU, so be prepared for that. Also bigger electric bill but performance wise, you shouldn't have any issues.

Oh I'm good on PSU. I have 900watts!

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

llMlJll :

If I'm not mistaken they are priced the same and the lightning version only gives a few frames bonus. I would go with the gigabyte wind force 3x edition that has 4GB of VRAM. Of course, you will never use all the 4GB on a single monitor. But if you go 3 monitors, getting the 770 4GB is your best option. Imagine putting another one in SLI (8GB of VRAM).
However, if you don't want the 3D features and 3 monitor set up, just go with 2GB and SLI another one when you feel it's time.

thanksforthefish87 · Aug 4, 2013

ubervelocity :

llMlJll :

If I'm not mistaken they are priced the same and the lightning version only gives a few frames bonus. I would go with the gigabyte wind force 3x edition that has 4GB of VRAM. Of course, you will never use all the 4GB on a single monitor. But if you go 3 monitors, getting the 770 4GB is your best option. Imagine putting another one in SLI (8GB of VRAM).
However, if you don't want the 3D features and 3 monitor set up, just go with 2GB and SLI another one when you feel it's time.

Your VRAM doesn't multiply when you SLI/Crossfire.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

llMlJll :

thanksforthefish87 :

No, but if you custom SLI (one 2GB and one 4GB) Only the lesser card video will be used. You can read this topic on Tom's. (Just learnt this last week)

thanksforthefish87 · Aug 4, 2013

ubervelocity :

llMlJll :

thanksforthefish87 :

No, but if you custom SLI (one 2GB and one 4GB) Only the lesser card video will be used. You can read this topic on Tom's. (Just learnt this last week)

I meant that two 4gb cards would still only equal 4gb's if you went in SLI mode. Same for any card.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

llMlJll :

Honestly, if you're willing to buy a $1000 card, just get the GTX 690. Too sleepy right now to continue, but surely enough I will return after some time. If this helped please remember to choose a solution, it helps me get all those awesome badges and what not

. Any other questions, just pm me.

ubervelocity · Aug 4, 2013

thanksforthefish87 :

ubervelocity :

llMlJll :

thanksforthefish87 :

No, but if you custom SLI (one 2GB and one 4GB) Only the lesser card video will be used. You can read this topic on Tom's. (Just learnt this last week)

I meant that two 4gb cards would still only equal 4gb's if you went in SLI mode. Same for any card.

Yes, that us true.

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